EPTThe wand was perfectly fine with "killing" Harry in the forest, I don't see how it wouldn't have let it happend again unless Harry did something about it.
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
The wand was perfectly fine with "killing" Harry in the forest, I don't see how it wouldn't have let it happend again unless Harry did something about it. | ||
Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
The second time was all Harry though. | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On July 21 2007 22:33 mikeymoo wrote: I've got the N. American version. A red beam of light hits Dumbledore, so I assume Snape didn't want to kill him (Moody mentions the class pointing wands at him and him only getting a nosebleed GoF). So did do it nonverbally? And why bother mentioning nonverbal spells in HBP if they don't do anything in DH? LR, I really don't know. That's one loose end that really needed to be explained. snape didnt use the killing curse because he didnt wanna tear his soul\ dumbledore was dead anyways | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
I believe that the book, overall, was well written. There were a few minor flaws such as the somewhat hasty pace of the book and the neglection of the "fillers" (what happens to the less major characters and the such), but I overlooked those in the light of the long-awaited ending to the series that lasted over half my life. The one major element of the story that left me melancholy was + Show Spoiler + when I finally learned of Snape's history and true intentions. I even found myself wishing Snape would've survived to...well, it woulda been too late for him to do anything for Lily since she died as a sacrifice for Voldemort, wouldn't it? Anyway, Harry lives, Snape comes out a hero, and everything's supposedly set for the wizarding world at the dramatic (imo) conclusion of the Harry Potter series. Now...we only need to put up with the rather headshort expectations of the movies. Looking forward to the last movie, however, for I have a feeling the last battle at Hogwarts will be quite a blast (Hopefully). EDIT: Oh, this wasn't a forum thread, so no bump - -; | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I was shocked when I read where Snape's true loyalties lay. And of course... The ending... I mean the epilogue felt rushed and had the lamest, most boring sentence I've ever read to end a series. Also, I really think the book would've been so much better if Harry HAD died when Voldemort had struck him with the death curse. After the shocking revelation of Snape's and Dumbledore's well.... humanity. Snape's love for Lily was immeasurable. He did so much, endured so much suffering...for her. In the end HE was the hero. HE had the most selfless intentions in his heart. And then there was Dumbledore. He expected Harry to die from the beginning. In fact he prepped and pruned Harry to die from the start. To accept the inevitability of death and to carry out his mission calmly. This was not malevolent. It was simply cold and calculating. A numbers game. By giving Harry this mission, and he alone he somehow reasoned that he would MINIMIZE the total number of deaths. Maybe his brother was right after all...As great of a wizard Dumbledore was he still had deep flaws as a human being. It was just another little one of his schemes. So at this point Harry's personal vision of Dumbledore, infallible and all-knowing is shattered and at the same time Snape is vindicated. Harry is deeply confused. But he doesn't even have time to grasp everything that's been revealed to him in the last few minutes. He realizes what he must do. He marches to his own death. There WILL NOT be any closure or long goodbyes to Hermoine or Ron, filling them in on why he has to do this. He walks by Ginny who's literally a breath away from him and no matter how much his heart lurches, how much his skin craves for her soft touch, he drags his feet towards the forbidden forest. He's crestfallen. And he takes the lonliest walk he's ever taken in his life towards Voldermort. At this point... my heart was breaking and I actually had tears in my eyes. But as you all know, deus ex machina. Harry is killed and then ressurected, Dumbledore IS all knowing after all and explains his grand plan to Harry while they wait in limbo... And Harry at the end even manages to beat Voldermort in a final duel. Everything is tied up neatly... "All is well" FUUUUUUUU!!! I felt cheated. How much more poignant would it have been if Dumbledore WAS not perfect? Just a mere mortal who had an imperfect plan to beat the Darklord that had gone awry? If Harry deviated from this plan of his own accord. If Harry had died. So voldemort taunts the remaining survivors of the resistance crowding in the front of the castle with Harry's dead body. This only enrages them. Neville leads the way, jsut like in the book in he kills the last Hocrux with a swing of the sword. Centaurs unexpectedly flank the death eaters from behind, while every man and woman with a wand, from town and all around the country rallies behind the whittled down resistance. They take heavy losses but with their combined might they take down the death eaters and corner Voldemort in the end. Many wizards duel him at once and he simply cannot block 20 curses coming from all sides. This way, we'd get to read dozens of pages dedicated to the reactions of Hermoine, Ron, Ginny and the Weasley's. I wish the author would have given as much effort writing about the reactions, implications and fallout of the war as she did writing that memory scene and Harry's walk through the woods, .... She lierally glossed the ending over, probably dedicating a meager 8 pages to the aftermath of it all. ): | ||
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djcube
United States985 Posts
I do agree with you though, that it would have been interesting to see a flawed DD and reveal him as not being the perfect wizard as everyone thought him to be. And yeah, the epilogue was a corny joke and could have read less like a classic Disney ending, but what can you do about it. The series overall was really entertaining though and Rowling did a good job keeping the books enjoyable reads even if they lost momentum towards the end. | ||
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Rowling's talent and the reason why HP is so immensely successful has always lain in her ability to make her books entertaining to read. HP's morals are very obvious and nothing particularly interesting for an adult, the story-telling is good but nothing ground-breaking and there are so many plot holes it's ridiculous. (I probably know the books better than almost anyone since it's become my habit to listen to the audio books with every tedious task I have to do and whenever I have trouble falling asleep. I've heard books 1-5 at least 25 times each.) By wanting Snape to be the hero (he could never be that btw, all he cares about is Lilly, he doesn't give a shit about anyone else), Dumbledore to betray Harry and Harry to die, you're trying to turn HP into a grand story-driven masterpiece (like LOTR, which I love) that it can't be, beacuse it just isn't that kind of book. Killing off Harry would go completely against the spirit of the earlier books and the light tone of all the books would suddenly seem completely out of place in a series that ends in tragedy. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
The fact that I read the whole book in one day didn't really help with how quickly everything seemed to just occur. Felt like the whole adventure could have been dragged out in a few more books. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
And Harry basically trash talked Tom Riddle into defeat :/ It's like "lol you're such a pos ... i'm the true owner you dipshit lololololol" .... then Voldermort was like "ffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" ... then Harry's like "d-matrix lolol <3" ... then the Dark Lord is like "noooooooooooooooooooooooooo /die" ... | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 05 2010 00:08 Orome wrote: ...you're trying to turn HP into a grand story-driven masterpiece (like LOTR, which I love) that it can't be, beacuse it just isn't that kind of book. But it is a masterpiece in its own right. Not because it's a deep and intellectual story, but because it successfully managed to appeal to all audiences. Do you have any idea how hard storytellers have been trying to do that for thousands of years? It's a masterpiece in the sense that she bridged the gap. Are there any other stories that can truly say that? | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On January 05 2010 02:26 Mortality wrote: But it is a masterpiece in its own right. Not because it's a deep and intellectual story, but because it successfully managed to appeal to all audiences. Do you have any idea how hard storytellers have been trying to do that for thousands of years? It's a masterpiece in the sense that she bridged the gap. Are there any other stories that can truly say that? I would say that it had the makings of a masterpiece, but it petered out at the end. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 05 2010 02:26 Mortality wrote: But it is a masterpiece in its own right. Not because it's a deep and intellectual story, but because it successfully managed to appeal to all audiences. Do you have any idea how hard storytellers have been trying to do that for thousands of years? It's a masterpiece in the sense that she bridged the gap. Are there any other stories that can truly say that? Oh common. All children's stories have this characteristic. Hell, even Douglas Adams can say that about his books, and he wrote science fiction, possibly the most niche genre in existence. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Rowling is a result of great marketing and great timing, not particularly great story telling. Here's another story that appeals to pretty much everyone: StarWars. Even among girls, it's pretty hard to find people who don't like the original series. There's probably more people who hate Harry Potter than do StarWars. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 05 2010 00:08 Orome wrote: I'll agree the last chapter was extremely corny, but you're trying to make HP something it isn't if you really wanted Harry to be killed. Even if its tone has become pretty dark in the last 3 books Harry Potter is still a children's book. Rowling's talent and the reason why HP is so immensely successful has always lain in her ability to make her books entertaining to read. HP's morals are very obvious and nothing particularly interesting for an adult, the story-telling is good but nothing ground-breaking and there are so many plot holes it's ridiculous. (I probably know the books better than almost anyone since it's become my habit to listen to the audio books with every tedious task I have to do and whenever I have trouble falling asleep. I've heard books 1-5 at least 25 times each.) By wanting Snape to be the hero (he could never be that btw, all he cares about is Lilly, he doesn't give a shit about anyone else), Dumbledore to betray Harry and Harry to die, you're trying to turn HP into a grand story-driven masterpiece (like LOTR, which I love) that it can't be, beacuse it just isn't that kind of book. Killing off Harry would go completely against the spirit of the earlier books and the light tone of all the books would suddenly seem completely out of place in a series that ends in tragedy. This is true. I actually haven't read any of the books prior to book 7 so I can't say I even know what the overarching theme is to the series. I started out just following the movies, filling in my gaps of knowledge with what scraps I could find from wikipedia, until I saw the Order of the Phoenix. After that I downloaded the Half Blood Prince. And after THAT, I just couldn't wait for another year to find out how it all ended so instead of waiting for the next movie to come out (Which would have been physically impossible) I downloaded the audiobook. Anyways, it may be a childrens book but there are pllenty out there that have complex, satisfying and ambiguous endings, like LOTR as you mentioned. I feel that it COULD have been a grand story-driven masterpiece (A notch or two below LOTR's that is), and that everything was building up to a climax but then it just sort of petered out at the end. It's not the best written book out there but for some reason I still care deeply about the characters. In fact more so than the characters in any of the "literary masterpieces" that I've read. It's strange. Even if Harry had lived on.... I think it would have been a lot more satisfying if Dumbledore had been flawed. I mean that and an extra chapter or three on the aftermath of the battle would've been great. Hermoine and Ron get like two lines of dialogue thrown in afterwards... wtf?? I need closure!!!!! FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Rowling. I'm hoping that at least the final movie will address THAT at least. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
and found out Ron marries Hermoine and Harry marries Ginny.. -sigh- | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On January 05 2010 07:30 DreaM)XeRO wrote: i skipped to the epilogue and found out Ron marries Hermoine and Harry marries Ginny.. -sigh- Wow why would you ever do that | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
I felt the book was a bit too rushed, especially at the end. I mean, just look at the length of time it took to destroy each Horcrux. The locket took a shitload of time to kill, the cup maybe half the time, and then the diadem, snake, and scar took less time to destroy collectively than the locket. I'm not just talking about the Horcruxes, either. As someone else mentioned, the deaths of major characters were just meaningless. With the exception of Dobby, I didn't even feel sad when anyone died. While authors usually take the opportunity of character deaths to say make a deep statement about the character, Rowling just kill characters off in the vague idea of protecting the good wizarding world. I felt especially disappointed in Lupin's death, who dies simply by fighting for the cause of "good", when he could've died for the specific cause of transcending discrimination. I would post more, but I'm tired from swim practice. Thanks for reading if you did. | ||
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