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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9251 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-12 06:22:50
October 12 2019 06:22 GMT
#1
I've felt like I've needed to just vent a bit and share my thoughts for a bit on the developing situation that is unfolding with Chinese censorship.

Everyone is familiar with what has happened with Blizzard. Some are less aware with the NBA situation which is parallel to the current predicament in esports. With the release of Blizzard's statement just a mere few hours ago, they have demonstrated their willingness to double down on their actions and side with their Chinese markets. And that's fine. For a company, you pick what you believe will benefit you the most. Your ultimate goal is to generate profits and make your stockholders money. And if Blizzard genuinely believes that their Chinese markets are worth catering to while alienating their western markets, so be it. We have a right to voice our opinions against the company and subsequently boycott their products until they change their stance. That is the give and take of the free market.

The line is crossed when they unveil their blatant hypocrisy. Their stance on the Blitzchung incident was that it was only because they did not want political messages on their platform and they have a right and duty to ensure that their platform remains focused on games and not on outside issues. Except that isn't actually the case. Blizzard has tweeted various comments in support of LGBT rights and equality.

https://twitter.com/blizzard_ent/status/1134509599208484864?lang=en


Is that a problem? No, absolutely not. They have every right as a company to make any statements they want regarding issues in our society. In fact, companies should take a stance. But not when they turn around mere months later to say, just kidding we don't actually like political stances when it doesn't benefit us. And that's the problem with their hypocrisy. And it's not just Blizzard.

For those more closely following the NBA, Daryl Morey, owner of the Houston Rockets, tweeted out in support of the Free Hong Kong movement. China in response began removing the Rockets from their platforms and would refuse to broadcast their games, even extending to refusing to broadcast pre-season games that were being played in China. Adam Silver, commissioner of the NBA, initially apologized to China, but then made a very soft backpedal to a stance of "we respect freedom of expression" without ever once mentioning China or the actual situation at hand.

So here's the hypocrisy. The NBA has always welcomed voices of political opinion. I mean jesus, their press conferences are filled with them when a big news headline appears, coaches and players are very vocal and openly against President Trump, so on and so forth. But I guess when topics about China rolls around, we suddenly should clam up and not speak about that, because that would be wrong and sports aren't political right?

https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/999388817667715072?lang=en

When Laura Ingraham on Fox News made her statement of "Shut up and Dribble", it was responded to by many NBA stars, namely Lebron James, and NBA coaches like Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich. Kobe Bryant even went up to accept his Acadmey Award and mentioned it in his speech. So, players should have a right to discuss political issues and make their voices heard. Again, well within their right, and using their platforms to spread awareness is important in our society when the voices of individual people are typically drowned out and not heard. But then when other real issues happen in the world that might indirectly impact them, they suddenly clam up.

Steve Kerr, coach of the Golden State Warriors, is one of the most heavy critics of President Trump in the NBA. He is loud, vocal, and isn't afraid to confidently make his opinion of any political issues. But give him a question about China and the current issue? He defaults to "I'm not that well educated" and "Well what about the problems in America?" In short, Kerr is comparing the likes of American issues such as gun violence and police brutality, to human trafficking, organ harvesting, re-education camps, and overt media censorship. And to the surprise of no one, people have fired back at Kerr, with many reddit threads and tweets proclaiming how pathetic and weak he looks.

And here's the best kicker in all of this. Hollywood stars love to attack Trump just like anyone else in America does. I mean, the free pandering points they get are insane. Take a popular star like Chris Evans, actor for Captain America in the Marvel films. He'll tell you first hand how much he hates President Trump and his liberal stances on all of the big issues in America. In fact, he is so vocal about political participation, that he even tweeted out this gem:



So he's set the line: if you speak out on some issues, you should be speaking out on the smaller issues as well. Where do you draw that line of political apathy? And using his own words, you should expect with an issue as big as China that he would make a stand right? Nope, not a single peep out of him and his fellow Hollywood stars. And that's the hypocrisy behind this.

People want to take the moral high ground when it benefits them, and then slither away into the shadows when it makes them uncomfortable. They aren't willing to make that commitment to their actual values and beliefs. They're willing to be silent to fill their pockets, promote their moves to more people to get their money. Yeah, I guess promoting your company, basketball team, or movies as pro-LGBT or equality is going to net you more views and buys on your product. But once you make that move into the political arena, you have to be ready to stand your ground and face the consequences. And if standing up against Trump is gonna be the best you can do, then you're weak and your morals are weak. You're a hypocrite who's only goal is to fill your pockets and pander. If there's one thing anyone reading gets out of this rant, it is to stick to your morals and values and don't compromise them. Because then otherwise, what are you? What is your identity?

I'm ready to see my social score hit 0 now. #FreeHongKong


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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6552 Posts
October 12 2019 08:16 GMT
#2
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When Laura Ingraham on Fox News made her statement of "Shut up and Dribble", it was responded to by many NBA stars, namely Lebron James, and NBA coaches like Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich. Kobe Bryant even went up to accept his Acadmey Award and mentioned it in his speech. So, players should have a right to discuss political issues and make their voices heard. Again, well within their right, and using their platforms to spread awareness is important in our society when the voices of individual people are typically drowned out and not heard. But then when other real issues happen in the world that might indirectly impact them, they suddenly clam up.

amen. only pundits on fox news get to have an opinion.
i wonder what she would say now that fox has pretty much turned their back on angry orange. aside from soulless hannity
there are some issues that are understandably (for now) controversial because of judeo-christian 'morality' but these will eventually become no-brainers and laughed at by our great grandchildren.

here, it is just post-colonial colonialism and any people fighting for their independence deserve to be heard not squelched.
get rich or die mining
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aSpeaker
Profile Joined October 2019
26 Posts
October 12 2019 08:27 GMT
#3
On October 12 2019 15:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
I've felt like I've needed to just vent a bit and share my thoughts for a bit on the developing situation that is unfolding with Chinese censorship.

Everyone is familiar with what has happened with Blizzard. Some are less aware with the NBA situation which is parallel to the current predicament in esports. With the release of Blizzard's statement just a mere few hours ago, they have demonstrated their willingness to double down on their actions and side with their Chinese markets. And that's fine. For a company, you pick what you believe will benefit you the most. Your ultimate goal is to generate profits and make your stockholders money. And if Blizzard genuinely believes that their Chinese markets are worth catering to while alienating their western markets, so be it. We have a right to voice our opinions against the company and subsequently boycott their products until they change their stance. That is the give and take of the free market.

The line is crossed when they unveil their blatant hypocrisy. Their stance on the Blitzchung incident was that it was only because they did not want political messages on their platform and they have a right and duty to ensure that their platform remains focused on games and not on outside issues. Except that isn't actually the case. Blizzard has tweeted various comments in support of LGBT rights and equality.

https://twitter.com/blizzard_ent/status/1134509599208484864?lang=en
https://twitter.com/blizzard_anz/status/930573293408600064

Is that a problem? No, absolutely not. They have every right as a company to make any statements they want regarding issues in our society. In fact, companies should take a stance. But not when they turn around mere months later to say, just kidding we don't actually like political stances when it doesn't benefit us. And that's the problem with their hypocrisy. And it's not just Blizzard.

For those more closely following the NBA, Daryl Morey, owner of the Houston Rockets, tweeted out in support of the Free Hong Kong movement. China in response began removing the Rockets from their platforms and would refuse to broadcast their games, even extending to refusing to broadcast pre-season games that were being played in China. Adam Silver, commissioner of the NBA, initially apologized to China, but then made a very soft backpedal to a stance of "we respect freedom of expression" without ever once mentioning China or the actual situation at hand.

So here's the hypocrisy. The NBA has always welcomed voices of political opinion. I mean jesus, their press conferences are filled with them when a big news headline appears, coaches and players are very vocal and openly against President Trump, so on and so forth. But I guess when topics about China rolls around, we suddenly should clam up and not speak about that, because that would be wrong and sports aren't political right?

https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/999388817667715072?lang=en

When Laura Ingraham on Fox News made her statement of "Shut up and Dribble", it was responded to by many NBA stars, namely Lebron James, and NBA coaches like Steve Kerr and Gregg Popovich. Kobe Bryant even went up to accept his Acadmey Award and mentioned it in his speech. So, players should have a right to discuss political issues and make their voices heard. Again, well within their right, and using their platforms to spread awareness is important in our society when the voices of individual people are typically drowned out and not heard. But then when other real issues happen in the world that might indirectly impact them, they suddenly clam up.

Steve Kerr, coach of the Golden State Warriors, is one of the most heavy critics of President Trump in the NBA. He is loud, vocal, and isn't afraid to confidently make his opinion of any political issues. But give him a question about China and the current issue? He defaults to "I'm not that well educated" and "Well what about the problems in America?" In short, Kerr is comparing the likes of American issues such as gun violence and police brutality, to human trafficking, organ harvesting, re-education camps, and overt media censorship. And to the surprise of no one, people have fired back at Kerr, with many reddit threads and tweets proclaiming how pathetic and weak he looks.

And here's the best kicker in all of this. Hollywood stars love to attack Trump just like anyone else in America does. I mean, the free pandering points they get are insane. Take a popular star like Chris Evans, actor for Captain America in the Marvel films. He'll tell you first hand how much he hates President Trump and his liberal stances on all of the big issues in America. In fact, he is so vocal about political participation, that he even tweeted out this gem:

https://twitter.com/ChrisEvans/status/1181265470260994049

So he's set the line: if you speak out on some issues, you should be speaking out on the smaller issues as well. Where do you draw that line of political apathy? And using his own words, you should expect with an issue as big as China that he would make a stand right? Nope, not a single peep out of him and his fellow Hollywood stars. And that's the hypocrisy behind this.

People want to take the moral high ground when it benefits them, and then slither away into the shadows when it makes them uncomfortable. They aren't willing to make that commitment to their actual values and beliefs. They're willing to be silent to fill their pockets, promote their moves to more people to get their money. Yeah, I guess promoting your company, basketball team, or movies as pro-LGBT or equality is going to net you more views and buys on your product. But once you make that move into the political arena, you have to be ready to stand your ground and face the consequences. And if standing up against Trump is gonna be the best you can do, then you're weak and your morals are weak. You're a hypocrite who's only goal is to fill your pockets and pander. If there's one thing anyone reading gets out of this rant, it is to stick to your morals and values and don't compromise them. Because then otherwise, what are you? What is your identity?

I'm ready to see my social score hit 0 now. #FreeHongKong


I agree with all your views except free hk.Whether in the East or in the West, people are always full of benevolence and righteousness, as long as things do not happen to themselves.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1082 Posts
October 12 2019 08:39 GMT
#4
This is why I hate it when corporations like the NBA try to shove morality down our throats. Artists, writers and educators - okay, it's kind of built in to their profession, but not athletes and actors and certainly not giant corporations. They should still adhere to morals but it feels so irritating when they preach them. I guess the hypocrisy in this case is not surprising although the immorality is.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands5476 Posts
October 12 2019 09:16 GMT
#5
Well said and completely agree. #FreeHongKong.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6630 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-12 10:15:18
October 12 2019 10:14 GMT
#6
On October 12 2019 17:27 aSpeaker wrote:

I agree with all your views except free hk.Whether in the East or in the West, people are always full of benevolence and righteousness, as long as things do not happen to themselves.

PRC lacks benevolence and righteousness. They chose to push this extradition bill, they chose to lie, using state media to tell you that it is for the benefit of Taiwan, they chose to kidnap booksellers, they chose to erode the promised rights of the people of Hong Kong.
aSpeaker
Profile Joined October 2019
26 Posts
October 12 2019 11:03 GMT
#7
On October 12 2019 19:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2019 17:27 aSpeaker wrote:

I agree with all your views except free hk.Whether in the East or in the West, people are always full of benevolence and righteousness, as long as things do not happen to themselves.

PRC lacks benevolence and righteousness. They chose to push this extradition bill, they chose to lie, using state media to tell you that it is for the benefit of Taiwan, they chose to kidnap booksellers, they chose to erode the promised rights of the people of Hong Kong.

I don't read it through the official media. I believe in neutral third-party media.Do you know Robert Ovadia?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland15275 Posts
October 12 2019 13:25 GMT
#8
I do largely agree with, bar that not commenting on certain issues under the ‘I’m not educated on the topic’ is abrogating responsibility or being hypocritical.

Sometimes it is judicious to apply that standard and not pontificate, I wish more would apply that standard in many situations, on the other hand perhaps Kerr is motivated out of cowardice or whatever people accuse him of.

As someone who is culturally British for example it’s extremely grating when folks from the south, or from the States lecture me on the topic and that I am Irish while clearly having very little grasp of the subject.

Americans are well placed to comment on issues pertaining to their country, and may just feel more comfortable in an environment of familiarity, or indeed feel it’s their country and hence they have that bit of an extra stake.

But yes don’t let my post take away from my otherwise almost complete agreement with yours. Companies and individuals make all these political statements to curry favour, but only when the tide has shifted and there are almost no stakes in doing so whatsoever, a Colin Kapernick is very much the exception.

And now corporations have started actively tapping in to the well of politics in such an overt manner they have to put up or shut up in my opinion. The precedent is there now so follow through.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9251 Posts
October 12 2019 16:50 GMT
#9
On October 12 2019 22:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
I do largely agree with, bar that not commenting on certain issues under the ‘I’m not educated on the topic’ is abrogating responsibility or being hypocritical.

Sometimes it is judicious to apply that standard and not pontificate, I wish more would apply that standard in many situations, on the other hand perhaps Kerr is motivated out of cowardice or whatever people accuse him of.

As someone who is culturally British for example it’s extremely grating when folks from the south, or from the States lecture me on the topic and that I am Irish while clearly having very little grasp of the subject.

Americans are well placed to comment on issues pertaining to their country, and may just feel more comfortable in an environment of familiarity, or indeed feel it’s their country and hence they have that bit of an extra stake.

Let me say I agree, if you aren't educated, it is appropriate to say so. However, Steve Kerr's 2nd response to the media and 3rd response seems to me like he does know something and just wants to deflect the point. He brought up American issues in order to try to obfuscate Chinese issues. It's not difficult to say, "Yes, I believe in freedom and democracy." The issues in Hong Kong, while complex at face, are actually fairly straight forward for someone as vocal as him on American politics to make a reasonably informed opinion.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland15275 Posts
October 12 2019 17:10 GMT
#10
On October 13 2019 01:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2019 22:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
I do largely agree with, bar that not commenting on certain issues under the ‘I’m not educated on the topic’ is abrogating responsibility or being hypocritical.

Sometimes it is judicious to apply that standard and not pontificate, I wish more would apply that standard in many situations, on the other hand perhaps Kerr is motivated out of cowardice or whatever people accuse him of.

As someone who is culturally British for example it’s extremely grating when folks from the south, or from the States lecture me on the topic and that I am Irish while clearly having very little grasp of the subject.

Americans are well placed to comment on issues pertaining to their country, and may just feel more comfortable in an environment of familiarity, or indeed feel it’s their country and hence they have that bit of an extra stake.

Let me say I agree, if you aren't educated, it is appropriate to say so. However, Steve Kerr's 2nd response to the media and 3rd response seems to me like he does know something and just wants to deflect the point. He brought up American issues in order to try to obfuscate Chinese issues. It's not difficult to say, "Yes, I believe in freedom and democracy." The issues in Hong Kong, while complex at face, are actually fairly straight forward for someone as vocal as him on American politics to make a reasonably informed opinion.

Would agree there, I really don’t follow sportsball of the US variety

There’s a fine line between ‘before we lecture x we should get our own house in order’ and obfuscation of the kind you’re referring to, but it is an important distinction. It does sound from cursory Googling that Kerr has strayed into the latter camp.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States29817 Posts
October 12 2019 22:42 GMT
#11
How's the saying go? Without fear [of losing your money] there cannot be courage.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5266 Posts
October 12 2019 22:46 GMT
#12
Very well put, FlashFTW.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-13 00:25:21
October 13 2019 00:13 GMT
#13
Blizzard supporting LGBT on Twitter probably was a decision they made in the company after some internal discussion, i feel its a bit different from the hs situation which force them to respond to a political situation that they werent ready for.

Which i imagine why the original rule was put there for, companys dont want to show support for something unless its in the good eyes of the public thats just how business work. If people we're still shitty and it was seen as good to hate on them theres no way blizzard would support gay pride, and that goes for every company. Forcing their hand to pick a side isnt what they want and ofc they will try to avoid, it would be ridiculous to expect every company to form an opinion on whatever new political issues arise.

The "winning" side will always be seen as good and thats when companys feel safe to come out and support.

Tldr: blizzard is fine with political stances as long as they get to decide what to suppport and its fine for them to remain silent (this isnt unique to blizzard but to every company) its not hypocritical that they dont want political stances displayed on their platform that havent been internally discussed
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
aSpeaker
Profile Joined October 2019
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-13 03:08:14
October 13 2019 03:01 GMT
#14
It's really not as simple as I imagined.

One thing I can't understand is that the enterprise is focusing on its own profits. Maybe he did express some political views in the past, such as his support for LGBT, but I think it's also for his own profit. Supporting LGBT can make him profitable and he will support it. Supporting HK will make him lose the Chinese market. Opposing HK will make him lose the western market. So he chose a relatively neutral choice.

It makes him look hypocritical. In fact, it's hard for a company to stand in line on all political issues, even with you. It's easy to be disappointed, which makes Blizzard as bad as a normal "bad" company. I still think we should pay more attention to the game itself rather than the game company.
aSpeaker
Profile Joined October 2019
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-13 03:20:07
October 13 2019 03:13 GMT
#15
On October 12 2019 19:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2019 17:27 aSpeaker wrote:

I agree with all your views except free hk.Whether in the East or in the West, people are always full of benevolence and righteousness, as long as things do not happen to themselves.

PRC lacks benevolence and righteousness. They chose to push this extradition bill, they chose to lie, using state media to tell you that it is for the benefit of Taiwan, they chose to kidnap booksellers, they chose to erode the promised rights of the people of Hong Kong.

The official media will tell you that this decision was made by the Hong Kong government, and we will always support the Hong Kong government.As I said, why not go to Robert ovadia's facebook?You have to look at foreigners'opinions from different perspectives at least to judge one thing. Wouldn't you be fear if all the opinions were amazingly consistent?If you have actually been to Hong Kong during the turmoil and really know what happened, you are free to discuss it. But if you don't, you must be as pitiful as those who only believe in Chinese media if you only learn from CNN BBC's media with obvious ideological characteristics. Of course, you may think that the BBC is still as reliable as before, so it's your right to express your opinions as you like.

I just want to remind you that all media are inherently untrustworthy.They won't tell you everything.It's like those white helmets.
Samsakzerg
Profile Joined October 2019
33 Posts
October 13 2019 12:12 GMT
#16
Except being silent on cruelty that is taking place right now is also a political statement, Blizzard sided with Chinese government.

Free Hongkong and Uyghurs
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9251 Posts
October 13 2019 15:48 GMT
#17
On October 13 2019 09:13 Shock710 wrote:
Blizzard supporting LGBT on Twitter probably was a decision they made in the company after some internal discussion, i feel its a bit different from the hs situation which force them to respond to a political situation that they werent ready for.

Which i imagine why the original rule was put there for, companys dont want to show support for something unless its in the good eyes of the public thats just how business work. If people we're still shitty and it was seen as good to hate on them theres no way blizzard would support gay pride, and that goes for every company. Forcing their hand to pick a side isnt what they want and ofc they will try to avoid, it would be ridiculous to expect every company to form an opinion on whatever new political issues arise.

The "winning" side will always be seen as good and thats when companys feel safe to come out and support.

Tldr: blizzard is fine with political stances as long as they get to decide what to suppport and its fine for them to remain silent (this isnt unique to blizzard but to every company) its not hypocritical that they dont want political stances displayed on their platform that havent been internally discussed

Except the message Blizzard gave us was "no political messages at all", when that isn't the case. It doesn't matter if they discuss it internally or not, they made political messages, and by their own rules here, that's not allowed. It absolutely is hypocritical. You don't get to decide what counts as "divisive" like they do, it's disingenuous and not done in good faith.
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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1597 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-13 16:51:51
October 13 2019 16:46 GMT
#18
On October 13 2019 12:13 aSpeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2019 19:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On October 12 2019 17:27 aSpeaker wrote:

I agree with all your views except free hk.Whether in the East or in the West, people are always full of benevolence and righteousness, as long as things do not happen to themselves.

PRC lacks benevolence and righteousness. They chose to push this extradition bill, they chose to lie, using state media to tell you that it is for the benefit of Taiwan, they chose to kidnap booksellers, they chose to erode the promised rights of the people of Hong Kong.

The official media will tell you that this decision was made by the Hong Kong government, and we will always support the Hong Kong government.As I said, why not go to Robert ovadia's facebook?You have to look at foreigners'opinions from different perspectives at least to judge one thing. Wouldn't you be fear if all the opinions were amazingly consistent?If you have actually been to Hong Kong during the turmoil and really know what happened, you are free to discuss it. But if you don't, you must be as pitiful as those who only believe in Chinese media if you only learn from CNN BBC's media with obvious ideological characteristics. Of course, you may think that the BBC is still as reliable as before, so it's your right to express your opinions as you like.

I just want to remind you that all media are inherently untrustworthy.They won't tell you everything.It's like those white helmets.


and I guess Tiananmen Square never happened, and the Falun Gong aren't getting harvested for organs and innocent Uyghurs aren't being imprisoned indefinitely. The difference between Chinese news and Western news is that Western news isn't being supressed by the government by the great firewall, that is to say, you actually have a choice in who to believe (well sourced articles from respected journalists) rather than only what the CN government wants you to read. And yes - there are problems with the freedom of the press in the West, some countries more than others, but it's no way as bad as in China - which ranks 177th out of 180 on the world press freedom index.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom7417 Posts
October 13 2019 17:02 GMT
#19
On October 13 2019 21:12 Samsakzerg wrote:
Except being silent on cruelty that is taking place right now is also a political statement, Blizzard sided with Chinese government.

Free Hongkong and Uyghurs


So blizzard are also making a political statement by not coming out against Trump.
Are they also making a political statement by coming about against Uzbekistan?
What about Blizzard's shocking silence on the current treatment of LBGT people in Brazil?
Are all of these silences political statements?
It's official - sharkie definitely knows more about football than jockmcplop. Go Klopp!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7446 Posts
October 13 2019 18:48 GMT
#20
As one of those described as a leftist or a liberal by pundits.... I do not fear or feel offended when someone voices a political opinion.

I have always thought it prudent to condemn my empire before I go and comment about other societies.

But, the hypocrisy of people who will condemn our softcore border concentration camps but won't spend an hour and at least learn about Chinas make me sick.

My grandpa gave his soul away to murder Germans for the same type of shit that our leaders and pundits won't even say words about.

I am not pro war but I am pro consistency of principle.

I have trouble supporting HK when my encouragement or support will likely result in the death and hardship for those people.

There is a quote that goes something like, everything is political to the people without power and real privilege is being able to tune it out and remain uneffected.

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