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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-10 08:14:42
March 10 2019 07:52 GMT
#1
Let's talk anxiety!*


Specifically this will be oriented around people who get lots of physical symptoms from anxiety, but of course their can be other affects as well.


How Does Anxiety Develop?



What happens in people like you and I that are anxious? Well, we get stressed. But we get stressed (worry, fear, apprehension, concern, etc.) more often and to greater degrees than people without this issue due. So we get stressed, and before we recover we get stressed again, which brings us to higher stress, and then we don't recover fully from that which leads to the next round of stress....which all leads to a crazy stress background with far too much adrenaline, cortisol, and other key hormones. These all leads to a hyper stimulated nervous and musculo system that behaves erratically because it's so excited.

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Bottom line is this is all nervous system being overexcited. What happens is that every time you have any sort of stress, which is basically either fear, or apprehension/worry (which is basically fear) you get a little blast of stress. This is adrenaline. It's going to jump your nervous system and other things. If the stress is really big or long you'll also have cortisol and other powerful hormones that last even longer jumping in. In people with normal, healthy thought patters and no anxiety...they get stressed, then they relax. Big stressful two weeks at work? Usually followed with a week of less stress and lots of rest and relaxation. Their bodies return to healthy baseline. No symptoms or issues.

Why do *most* anxious people get anxious in the first place. Combination of alot of things. Some people are just more prone to, their amygdala or other aspects of their physiology just are more easily stimulated. Of course, rare cases can be caused by actual medical problems such as thyroid issues, adrenal tumors, etc. so if you have concerns those should be looked at. For everyone else though, it's how you learned to think about things. Anxious people have anxious thought patterns. An anxious person drives a car and has thoughts like:

Oh man, I'm going kinda fast. What if I lose control and the tyre blows out and I crash at 70mph

Damn, that dude next to me just moved his car over six inches, he's probably drunk and is going to crash into me. This could be very dangerous


Etc. Picture is clear. Underpinning anxiety are anxious or worry filled thoughts. A person without anxiety (or at least who isn't anxious driving) thinks:

FUCK YEA! I'm going 90 this wind in my face feels so good! My car is awesome.

Oh, hey. This guy just nudged over a bit. Probably jamming to some good tunes. If he did something really stupid I'm confident in my driving and I'll just move on the break and out of his way nice and controlled


That's the difference. Thinking and thoughts create anxiety. People without anxiety think differently across most situations than do people with it. Obviously, some with anxiety might have an area or discipline in which they are less anxious than a person with anxiety, but overall the anxious person will have a consistent thought pattern that is full of lots of doubt, concern, worry, fear, or negative thinking. They think about things that could wrong.

If you have anxiety, I guarantee you that you will find lots of examples in yourself about thinking this way. I guarantee it. This is the cause of that anxiety. If these thoughts don't change, the anxiety won't change. The good news is we control our thoughts (over time) and can change our thought patterns.


On Anxiety Physical Symptoms



Anxious people routinely have hyperrefflexia. Why? Nervous system is on high alert, it just triggers easily, quickly, and erratically. Nerves, of course, control everything. When they behave spontaneous and erratically weird shit happens. PVCs? Random firing of the vagus nerve in most cases. If Vagus fires, heart beats...it has no choice. So all that irritability makes the vagus fire super easily. Bam. PVCs.

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Of course, this can happen anywhere. Headaches? Yep. Twitching? Yep. Cramping? Yep. Tingling/Numbness/Pins and Needles? Yep (random sensory nerve signals firing). Gut issues? Yep. Gut is hugely connected to parasympathetic tone. Tremor? Yep. Tinnitus or amplified sensations of pain/sound/light? Yep (brain becomes overly attuned to specific nerve signals). Etc. Etc. Etc.

The amount of stuff anxiety can do to the body is FUCKING INSANE. It's stupid. I've literally had over 100 different symptoms. Some of them really, really fucking weird ones. Shit you wouldn't in a million years imagine is possible if you haven't had somatic symptoms from anxiety. Also incredible about anxiety is what a fucking asshat chameleon it is. Just when you think you have one symptom under control....BAM....something new:

"Oh you were worried about your heart....haha fuck you guess what now you're foot is going numb randomly and your legs are wobbly. Welcome to thinking you have MS motherfucker!!".


That's just what anxiety does.

The other asshole trick anxiety plays is the way it can hit you when you're not anxious at all. I'd have days where I'd be pretty damn calm and then bam, I get a run of 45' of 20 PVC's every minute:

"Well, fuck. I was calm so this can't be anxiety right? I have to have something wrong with me then....".


NOPE. It's anxiety. Why? How? Hyper stimulation. In most cases it takes weaks, and in stronger cases months, (not years though from anything I've ever heard) to get your nervous system back to normal. Until then you can have random symptoms anytime, anywhere. Your nerves just do random shit because they fire easily. This can, quite literally, cause you to feel or experience anything.


This has to be stressed, because the only way out is to accept that ALL of your symptoms are anxiety, and to move on with them. Anytime you doubt "maybe their is something wrong with me" and go down that road you'll get blasts of stress. Then your nervous system stays stimulated and you keep getting weird symptoms.



Anxiety Begets Anxiety



The extra bad kicker about anxiety is it's a nasty cycle. Anxious people usually have insomnia of some kind because they are too wired to sleep well, sleep requires relaxation. Insomnia cuts into your R&R (rest and recovery) time, and promotes more anxiety. Moreover, anxiety promotes anxiety. When you're more anxious, you jump and startle easier, are more prone to emotional thinking, and have stronger emotional responses. If I sneak up behind you in a room where you're relaxed with friends playing some video games and go "BOO" you might mildly startle, but it won't do much. If I do this in the woods where you think you heard a bear....you're going to SPOOK, and spook hard.

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This means that as an anxious person you accumulate and reinforce both stress and bad thought patterns much easier. Compare the difference between being mild concerned at a part of a trail that there was a mountain lion. Maybe you thought somewhere in the back of your head you heard something that sounded like a mountain lion sound. But it was midday, many people around, and turned out not to be a big deal at all. You might remember that tomorrow, but it's basically forgotten a few days later. Now compare to you being alone at dusk, on the same trail, and are startled by an actual mountain lion that roars(is that we call it?) at you from behind before eventually slinking away. Guarantee your shook up the entire rest of the night. Moreover, you will basically NEVER forget that part of the trail and will probably always experience some fear every time you pass by their.

What gives? Well, neural circuits are formed by thinking and by responses. Ones that are used more often are reinforced, those that aren't used as often are "pruned" away and cease to exist or have the connections become fewer and weaker. In the presence of greater stress/fear response, neural circuitry is reinforced to a much greater degree, hence the difference in the mountain lion response.

So, under stress/anxiety/fear we both further reinforce thought processes of fear or anxiety both because we are more prone to not use logic (because we are anxious) and because when anxious their is a stronger response that further reinforces anxiety.

This is all important too because it explains getting anxious for "no reason". We don't control individual thoughts, these "randomly" generate all the time. We control thought patterns. When you get anxious for no reason, it's basically a result of remember thought patterns. Something in your environment reminded you, in some manner, of a time when you were anxious before and at some level your brain recalled that and fear response was triggered
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The Big Picture



So, now we are starting to get the bigger picture. There are problems with thinking that lead to to much stress response, that eventually overwhelms us and keeps increasing our baseline level of stress higher and higher, which only increases how fearful, stressed, and anxious we get, causing stronger responses and more stress and further reinforcing thought circuits in our head that beget this anxiety.

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This is how anxiety develops in most people that don't have actual health conditions, severe trauma, etc. that created a rather immediate anxiety. I'd also like to note that this can apply to people that are stressed out, and feel wierd things, but wouldn't identify or consider themselves as "anxious". Yes, perhaps not anxious. But you do have thought patterns and concerns over too much workload and the effects of what is going on, combined with lack of sleep, that is leading to all that stress response, which has you hyper stimulated and thus having random physical symptoms.

The difference between someone with anxiety and someone who is stressed and feeling wierd stuff in their body is the stress person says "EH, it's stress. Whatever". The person with extreme anxiety thinks "holy shit my foot just vibrated I have MS my life is fucked".


So Uhh....What do we do?


So, we need to do two things:



1) Do something to relieve the current over-stimulation. Basically, we need R&R.

2) We need to break the bad though patterns that lead to hyper-stimulation in the first place.



Relaxing The Body: Allowing Recovery

It's imperative we start getting some R&R time. Now, as anxious people, we know that for most of us our sleep is fucked so we aren't getting it there. What to do?

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  • R&R Quiet Time - Schedule at LEAST 1, but ideally like 2 or 3 times where for 30' each day you're going to just relax. Sitting or lying is fine. Quite, not overly bright area. The goal here is just a state of deep relaxation. At first, this is going to seem basically impossible. Your body is NOT going to want to relax. That's OK. Do your best. Any form of meditation or quite relaxation will work. Progressive muscle relaxation is good. I did something where I would visualize each letter of the alphabet for perhaps 30-45s going up halfway, then from 10' I would just be peaceful focusing on the most relaxing, comfortable thoughts I know about. Then finish focusing on visualizing the rest of the letters one at a time. Other thoughts will intrude. Perhaps forcefully. Don't get upset (we wan't to relax after all). Just note them, then let them go and go back to your visualization. It will improve with time. When I first did this, I spent 90% of the time letting thoughts go and 10% actually visualizing. I combined this with trying to make my body feel as "heavy" as possible, releasing all tension. Personally, I liked doing this at lunch, right when I got back from class/work, and then once an hour or so before bed.

  • Deep breaths are your friend. Everytime you think about it or feel a little anxious do one big deep breathe. 4-5 seconds in, filling up both your chest AND your stomach, hold for 2 seconds or so, and then nice slow 4-5 seconds exhale. Let your tension go with this. Anything to break anxious cycle responses.

  • Sleep. This is huge. I know most sleep stuff recommends minimal napping. This is probably true, but for anxiety I think it's different. What your body needs is relaxation and rest, as much as it can get. You're tired as shit. You're not sleeping poor because your sleep hygiene is bad, you're sleeping poor because you're too wired. Nap and relax anytime you can. Laziness is your friend. When you start to relax, you WILL sleep because you're crazy tired. When you start to feel good on sleep and much more relaxed, then drop the naps and worry about sleep hygiene. Naps are relaxing. Use them anytime you feel like it and can.

  • Sleep Attitude. Anxiety and insomnia go hand in hand. We know this. But the kicker is, sleep is a natural process, the body wants to sleep. The reason it doesn't is because you're too wired. Those of us with insomnia tend to be concerned about sleep. "Are we getting enough?" "Fuck this is annoying" "Damn I hate not being able to sleep" "Will this ever end?" "Fuck what if it gets worse?!". This is how everyone, including myself, with insomnia that I knew felt/feels. Well, what happens when you go to bed or wake up then. You're tired, but now you have a habit of every time you go to sleep of thinking "shit I might not sleep well. I don't like that".

    Bam. Worry. Concern. Stress response. No sleep. GGNORE. If you want to improve the insomnia, it's imperative and essential you stop caring about actually sleeping. Sleep doesn't matter here. Rest and relaxation does. Make it your go to just go to bed and relax. Learn to enjoy just being in your bed relaxing/meditating/etc. Stop caring if you sleep. If you fix those bad mindset patterns you won't create anxiety around sleep and will fall asleep much better, especially as overall hyper-stimulation decreases. A huge part of insomnia is created, or rather sustained by, poor bedtime thought patterns, at least in every insomniac I've known.




Changing Our Thought Patterns

Alright, so we have some techniques to start giving our stressed, anxious body a chance to recover. That's good, but if you're like me or anyone I've ever known with anxiety, you started out with a normal, non overstimulated body and still got anxiety. Just relaxing isn't enough to banish anxiety. The thoughts have to change.

This is a difficult topic but for me it's about several steps:

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  • Stopping The Response: Goal number one has to be to stop that anxiety response as quickly as possible. The further it goes and the stronger it is allowed to be...the greater the stress and the greater the reinforcement of those bad thought pattern neural circuits. The first thing you need is a way to kill or reduce the anxiety when you start to feel it. Deep breathing. 5 or 6 giant vacuum breaths and hold. Meditation. Thinking calm(ing) thoughts. Reminding yourself that it's just anxiety, it can't hurt you even if it doesn't feel good, and that it will go away when you're calm. Progressive muscle relaxation. Square breathing. Etc. All of these are techniques you can use. We are all individuals, so which ones suit you best work for you.

    The goal of this step is to break the response circuitry. Here, we want to change the thought process from: random/known cause anxiety -> "OMG this isn't good. I don't feel good. Maybe something is wrong or this will get worse" and change it to: random/known cause anxiety -> "It's okay, this isn't dangerous. It's anxiety and will pass when I am relaxed. I have the skills to handle this situation"

    In this manner, you slowly break the cycle of runaway or sustained anxiety to a more normal one of: ANXIOUS! -> It's Okay -> Calm.

    Rather than: ANXIOUS -> ANXIOUS, don't feel good -> ANXIOUS -> STILL ANXIOUS -> FUCK IF I'M STILL ANXIOUS SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG -> HOLY SHIT I'M DYING!!!



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  • Changing the Thought Patterns: So, now we can at least stop the anxious response and keep it a little contained. But, we still have all these thoughts generating anxiety. Perhaps now instead of: Driving is scary, I could crash -> anxiety -> tense -> jerkier movements -> car handles worse -> driving is scarier -> INCREASE anxiety -> repeat

    We have : Driving is scary I could crash -> Anxious -> It's okay. I'm just anxious -> Relax a bit -> Driving is scary, I could crash -> repeat

    We still have to kill the first part. This will require some soul searching. You're going to need to think about what are the things driving your anxiety. What situations scary you, worry you, have you low in confidence, etc. You'll want to go deeper and figure out what is the "true" fear. For example:

    Public Speaking -> Afraid of messing up. Why? -> Will look stupid -> Why is this scary? -> People will think I'm stupid

    Bam. We have an answer. You're afraid of making mistakes. Why? Because you will look stupid. At it's core, you have a fear problem. You're much more afraid of making mistakes and "looking stupid" than a person typically is. You'll want to examine why you feel this way, and start reframing and reshaping those deep thoughts. Embracing and thinking about worse case scenarios can often help, because you realize they aren't actually that bad in most cases.

    This will take time and effort, but you need to kill both the "deep" fear and the outer fears. Eg. both the "I'm afraid of making a mistake speaking" AND the "I'm afraid of looking stupid.

    If you had hypocondriasis type fear, likely you're afraid of either death, pain, or of losing your ability to move around. You need to address both the irrationality of these fears "There is a VERY slim chance what is causing my headache is an aneurysm. I'm probably just anxious" and the underlying fear (e.g. I could have an aneurysm -> could lead to death). In some cases, such as the hypochondriases type one, you'll have to develop a passive acceptance that "yes their is a small chance something could be seriously wrong with me. I don't obsess over dying in a car accident (1 in 100 ish lifetime risk), so it's absolutely ridiculous I obsess over my chance of having a rare fatal brain aneurysm.





Summary


So in the end getting rid of anxiety is about:

  • Getting R&R
  • Changing to Healthy Thoughts About Sleep
  • Acceptance of Some Level of Risk + Acceptance That You Will Have Random Anxious Moments and It Will Take Some Time To Resolve Completely
  • Controlling & Preventing Runaway Anxiety + Minimizing Anxiety Response
  • Addressing both superficial and "deep" fears
  • PRACTICE


All of these are skills that take time and practice to develop. I, and probably you, didn't develop anxiety overnight. It was built over years and decades. It's entrenched deep in our thoughts. It takes time, effort, and focused practice, just like StarCraft, to reduce and eliminate.

Best Wishes!

*For those wondering, this is primarily an experience blog, presenting my mental picture I developed of anxiety. This is a mental model that worked incredibly well for me, and for many others. Much of the stuff in here is literature supported and well backed with evidence. However, I cannot guarantee that all of it is. So, to be clear, I'm not presenting this as "cutting edge science" anxiety blog. It's a mental model that I developed after several years of struggling with this and never understanding how to make it go away. It just wouldn't quit and always had new faces. It came after a combination of tons of research, talking with counselors/psychologists, talking with everyone and anyone I knew who had dealt with anxiety, and much of my own thoughts and reasoning. I hope you find it helpful.

*****
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-10 08:05:47
March 10 2019 07:52 GMT
#2
On Exercise


This is near and dear to my heart, so I wanted to talk about this as well. Exercise is a wonderful thing for helping with anxiety. Better health is always a good thing, and in many cases a necessary thing for getting over anxiety. You should definitely exercise. Absolutely. It releases endorphins, it helps circulation and blood pressure, it tends to take your mind of worries, etc. Lots of benefits.

However....

There is a difference between exercise and training. I am, or at least have been, an elite competitive cyclist. I know all about what it's like to train hard for 15, 20 maybe even 30 hours a week to improve. I know how much it sucks to take time off, miss time because of an injury, or deal with anything that disrupts training and recovery.

With that said, my personal opinion is that if you have moderate to severe and anxiety and want to get better and are a competitive athlete...that should go to the back burner. I'd say for at least the first 3-4 weeks to perhaps 3-4 months until you start to sleep well and feel noticeably better.

Whyyyy though???

It's simple. Exercise is great. Competitive exercise is generally extend moderate to vigorous exercise that taxes the body. Two issues here. Number one is that lactate is tied to anxiety in several studies. Hard effort increase lactate and acid concentration in the blood. That's bad for anxiety. Number two, is that while exercise is stress relief, hard exercise is not. When you push the body cortisol, catecholmines, and other stress hormones are released in solid quantities....the exact hormones and chemicals we are trying to reduce. It's just counter productive, even if it's a mentally relaxing or stress reliving part of the day. Adding a bunch of physical stress from exercise is going to counter your relaxation work AND increase recovery demands on the body.

You can still exercise. Just don't go hard. Brisk walks, maybe light jogs. Basically, as a competitive athlete, the level of exercise you want is "I'm not a couch potato, but does this even count as doing anything?" Yes. You will decondition. Yes, your level will drop. It's not for a particularly long time, and it always comes back faster than it took to build it. Even in a worst case of taking 2-3 months off of anything hard, In a 4-6 weeks after that you'll be right back to prime shape, with the bonus of being anxiety free, sleeping better, and far more equipped to train, and through recovery, absorb that training stress than you were before.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 10 2019 07:52 GMT
#3
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GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
March 10 2019 16:19 GMT
#4
Awesome article! In our fast-paced complex world, stress and anxiety can turn into dangerous enemies that will affect your health and your ability to enjoy life. Much love to you L_Master for this thorough and honestly, very informative article. The amount of work you have put into this is inspiring man.

If people need two are three separate occasions to read through this, I would really advise you to do it.

For what it is worth, meditation has really helped me to overcome a lot of my emotional and psychological issues concerning anxiety, anger, self-loathing, etc. You know all those demons that lurk just behind your conscious thought, whispering nasty things in your ear. It was not easy at first, as nothing worth doing is; but I stuck with it and started to move past a lot of my personal short-comings in time. If you stick with something that has been tried and true, put the work in, be honest with yourself, you can accomplish anything.
Simply giving yourself a period of time everyday to completely relax is of utmost importance imo. Sometimes all we need is a little peace and quiet
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
March 10 2019 16:21 GMT
#5
Solid tips here, thank you.
I myself suffered from some mild form of anxiety (I guess it was that) when I started to do sparring in amateur Muay Thai. It disappeared mostly due to my partners who were easy going and while not hitting me lightly, they always allowed me time to recover, after the round they took the time to explain why so and so happened and how to improve it. With repeating exposure to such controlled stress I became comfortable and now I spar with confidence against people around my weight.
I just need to say I hate jogging with a passion. What I mean is jogging on hard roads, like asphalt and concrete. Jogging on grass can be safely done for hours, I guess. But I messed my knees and my ankles before from that repeating stress of all my mass now on this side, now on that. So jog on soft surfaces, folks.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 12 2019 21:21 GMT
#6
Do you find that ideation accompanies anxiety attacks? While certain thoughts may set off an anxiety attack, I don't really associate the attack itself with ideation, especially compared to a depressive episode where you'll just turn an idea over in your head again and again.

A small bit of advice, but I've found saying repetitive statements, like prayers or mantras, are a decent way to help calm down. YMMV.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 21:52:17
March 12 2019 21:50 GMT
#7
On March 13 2019 06:21 Jerubaal wrote:
Do you find that ideation accompanies anxiety attacks? While certain thoughts may set off an anxiety attack, I don't really associate the attack itself with ideation, especially compared to a depressive episode where you'll just turn an idea over in your head again and again.

A small bit of advice, but I've found saying repetitive statements, like prayers or mantras, are a decent way to help calm down. YMMV.


I only had a few panic attacks. Two of them were nocturnal triggered by unknown factors. The other two I had were triggered by psychosomatic symptoms which I responded to with a ton of fear, setting of a full panic cascade.

The night ones I don't think were triggered by ways of thinking, and from what I know of panic attacks they can behave very much like physical symptoms of anxiety, i.e. they are set of sometimes what appears to be randomly due to a background of high stress or fear. Things that remind us of fear situations or experiences can also trigger "PTSD" style panic attacks, even if we don't consciously realize that.

Bad thinking can also contribute to panic attacks. If you become fearful of panic attacks, or start worrying that could happen at bad or inconvenient times or spiral out of control...that can also lead to a cycle of more panic attacks. The same strategy for panic attacks can be used:

1) Recognize you're having a panic attack.
2) Understand that a panic attack cannot hurt you, cannot make you go crazy, and will subside when you are relaxed
3) Use that knowledge to bring yourself slowly back to calm. Realize that panic attack symptoms can easily last 15+ minutes, if you respond well, with lingering affects for hours
4) Don't think of panic attacks as scary, annoying, frustrating, or anything else. Like anxiety, they likely come from a stress background.


Bottom line is that if you don't respond to a panic attack with more fear and instead go "Oh, it's a panic attack. I feel weird, but it's not dangerous and I'm just going to continue on with my daily life" they won't get too bad. It will start to subside within probably a few minutes or less.

This all assumes that these panic attacks are a result of general stress/modest fears/etc. If you have extreme fear in some way, you'll probably have to work on that fear. If the panic attacks are PTSD related to a very powerful event, different strategies may be needed. I've never had to deal with, experience, or research panic attacks related to severe physical or psychological trauma.

A small bit of advice, but I've found saying repetitive statements, like prayers or mantras, are a decent way to help calm down. YMMV.


Definitely. I found this to be helpful for quiety the general background stress/anxiety level and for initially putting the brakes on any moments where my anxiety really wanted to pick up or physical symptoms would increase. I imagine it can be something personal or meaningful you to, or it can be something that is just a good reminder "I'm healthy and these feelings are not dangerous or threatening"
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10674 Posts
March 26 2019 20:38 GMT
#8
5/5 ! This is excellent piece of advice, I am going to read this every day actually to help myself, I am sure you have seen from my previous blogs I have been suffering from extreme panic / anxiety attacks....this is amazing work, thanks LMaster!! I am sure you helped a lot more than just me with this, after reading it helped a lot.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 28 2019 05:57 GMT
#9
On March 27 2019 05:38 GGzerG wrote:
5/5 ! This is excellent piece of advice, I am going to read this every day actually to help myself, I am sure you have seen from my previous blogs I have been suffering from extreme panic / anxiety attacks....this is amazing work, thanks LMaster!! I am sure you helped a lot more than just me with this, after reading it helped a lot.


I'm glad you have found this helpful. It's been absolutely key in my anxiety recovery. Thankfully, I'd been dealing with solid GAD for about 20 months or so...but honestly once all this came together I began seeing noticable improvement in just a few weeks, and by 6 weeks for me I was probably 90% improvement. I will still have some anxious moments, or even a more anxious day...but it's dramatically lessened from before in how bad it is. Instead of good days in a sea of bad ones, I have moderate anxiety days amongst a slew of symptom free (or close enough) days.

It definitely takes focus, and practice, but it's something that for people without underlying physical causes (thyroid, adrenal, etc.) I think is absolutely achievable.
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 12:40:02
April 03 2019 09:59 GMT
#10
nice blog/thread
will read when my brain is fully operational thank you.

Just wanted to chime in for a tiny specific thing, hope it wont be construed as "out of bounds/line" !?

i think in 2019 or in the 1980ies (when i personally suffered from cyclical panic attacks).. whenever really,

it is human to get these "panic attacks"
(this is not to say you can live with them 24/7 at all just that there is good in the process too, not just suffering) ;

it is good to see/feel the world take hold of you and make you cower in fear ONCE IN A WHILE
(like once a decade, a year or whatever, # when appropriate i guess would be the "thing").

The world is scary, scary huge, scary mean, scary infinite, scary lonesome..
and you are suppose to conform to "whatever"...

i guess what i am getting at is that i have personally been fascinated with this issue for 30 years and have seen many people over these 30 years who hide these "episodes" rather than "sharing" / opening to others about them.
i would even go so far as to say
they are the norm to conform to!

i think everyone gets one or "x" "panic attacks" in their life (read people who will understand the idea of the pain felt, but for them it will not continue, they will forget about it go about their lives and get another 10 years later or something) ..

i feel it important to say that if you don't ever share these episodes then you are a self-hidden outcast, someone who hides stuff in her/himself that they don't even know about or actively refuse to address
things that will change important character traits in those people..
people doing that are in real trouble "too", and a real danger to others?!

i guess i'm trying to say that i personally feel i prefer having these attacks once in a while because if i don't i turn into a robot.. and i don't want to <3

tldr: sharing is living, angst is a sane reaction to our current world, those who blindly hide their own sh it inside will destroy us all if we don't show them the light ?!

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i beat my angst attacks when i was around 16 (around 1990) with a clear cut decision to
not die (read not commit suicide from the hurt i felt at the time)
,
before that i had them every other month/week for a day or two.. (triggered by random things that i would blow out of proportions)
from a young age i relied on inventing stories and withdrawing from the real world in my own invented worlds/stories, and never dealt with this condition i had properly
(i got and it got meaner/angrier/more desperate with every attack, costing me stuff (not vital stuff maybe, but friendships or other important stuff/opportunities),

since then i've had a more serene life,
i accept stuff i don't want to and yet also address them.. i cry like a toddler in need of food once every other 6 months but i do it sitting in a lotus position making all the "material" flow through me, fully embracing and accepting the hurt and it works..
or i whimper in my waiffu's arms (like when my father died) or / and i hug my kids until i get a grip back <3

i mean it "works" for me to get swept away and accept it .. i manage to hurt no one in this painful process not even myself (physically that is, mentally i wouldn't know but seems awkward sad/bad)
i guess it is better than "not living", better than a 100 daily ocd routine and shutting myself completely from the world..

i guess the benedict sherlock holmes character on tv defines it quite quite well for me:
"high functioning psychopath"
(possibly the dialog is/says "sociopath"?)

.. mind you i don't wear it as a badge of honor at all!!!
(i feel ashamed of it, i want to conform that is the essence of the "bad feeling".. because i don't agree with it and yet i still want to "instinctively"? conform..
.. but that is the knot to unravel i suppose?!).

What i can say for sure is with this surge of pain .. or by the process induced from that "episode/experience/trip"
(call it whatever you want to call it!) , from "this" i know and feel in my very core that
i am human and i "know" the world..
(i know as in i accept the state of the world and can now be free from it i guess?)

.. the tidal wave feeling sweeps me regularly off of my feet and it should

.. just how huge and tiny things are, just how cruel and awesome life is
.. just how insignificant and yet alive i am.

Sorry for blabbermouthing, not
and good luck to any one reading, panic attacks are no joke, if you do have them then
tell people
tell people you care about
tell anyone who might help you
tell your grannie
find someone to share these episodes with and start trying to deal with it the best you can, no one will come and save you if you don't first face the fact you need help with it!

and
if like i did several times during my teen/young adulthood,
if one day you feel that you won't make it,
you think/feel/know you will never breath or smile or laugh ever again..
try me!
Get a hold of me on line and i'll save you
that's a promise!!! ,
i'll get you off the fear, i'll get you down the ledge
you know why/how?
simply put it will be because i know the way out, (been there several times before and someone else got me out every time)

the only way out is together <3

again thank you op for good subject matter, will read all thread (gotsa work rite now but ocd meant me posting this first )


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Terran_51
Profile Joined April 2021
United Kingdom2 Posts
April 23 2021 22:31 GMT
#11
I deal with anxiety on a daily basis and have had 24/7 anxiety since I left college which was between the middle to end of 2019, I am constantly anxious and I might not even be thinking about anything conciously but I feel in my unconcious mind I am worrying about something, I'm trying to get therapy to help, I have done some councilling and have some more on Monday, the doctors have just wanted me to up my medications but I react badly to increases. In general though I have had anxiety all my life and I feel it is probably from genetics / envrionmental factors of things that have happened in my life.

I feel that the best way to combat anxiety is to simply have a plan or for example a coping sheet. Through the various people that have helped me over the years I remember having a coping list which I would look at when I had panic attacks (which were really bad when I was a teen), I think really sitting and relaxing with your mind as said in OP's post is the best thing that you can do, through meditation and breathing excercises and simply focussing on the here and now I feel it can help to 1. calm down the anxiety and 2. release the tension.

I am a long time player of Dota 2 and I stopped playing it for a while because of a hand injury from too much gaming, this was fixed through hand excercises and better posture while seated at my desk, anyhow since coming back every time there is a team fight my heart rate goes really high, I think because I know if we lose this team fight I might possibly lose MMR which makes my rank go lower and thus my ego / feeling like i'm bad at the game nags at me.

Solutions:
1. Meditate daily, for me I meditate before every Dota 2 match, I do this to calm my nerves and prepare me for the match.

2. Mute all of the team, if you are like me and you find it hard to deal with trolls / ragers and it affects you then keep all chat muted and just use the chat wheel.

3. Herbal Teas, I feel that herbal teas can help with anxiety, simply sipping a warm cup of green tea for me helps me to relax.

4. Eat a healthy diet, a healthy diet is paramount to improving your mental health, from various studies we know that the gut is linked to how you feel and your mood, which is why yoghurt is a good choice for improving depression for example, the only issue with diet is, eating a healthy diet can be expensive and also it can take a long time for you to actually get any benefits, for me I've been eating a healthy diet for a while now and I think I feel a bit better but I think I need to give it more time.

5. Breathing Excercises, when a panic attack strikes the first thing you should be doing is getting your phone and opening a breathing app that is already installed, then do the breathing excercise, you can then reach out to friends or family to help you calm your thoughts.

6. Mindful Eating, Mindful eating can be good for anxiety / stress I feel since if you take the time when eating chocolate for example to simply close your eyes and really taste the food with all your senses, I feel it can really help to lower the stress and anxiety levels, this I believe is proven in studies to help relax you.

This is my first post on this forum, I hope I didn't do anything wrong.

Remember that anxiety isn't forever, it can feel like it is but if you can get help it can really get better over time.
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