• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:31
CEST 01:31
KST 08:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Syncronization issues and can't find games Remastered crash fix suggestions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10096 users

Returning to SC happily

Blogs > Alejandrisha
Post a Reply
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-11 17:49:03
September 11 2017 17:47 GMT
#1
Hello-

The purpose of this blog is to discuss my initial exposure to broodwar in my early years and then once again preceding the release of Starcraft 2 (heard of it?) and trying to reconcile whether or not I played Starcraft 2 because it was easy and dodged Brood War because I thought it was on its way out.

Like many of you reading this, I found StarCraft at an early age. It was at a local internet cafe and they advertised all around town that this was a place you could go to and lan with like-minded individuals. I hopped on board at the ripe age of.. I want to say 9? This was my first exposure to what would some day be known as esports--a group of like-minded individuals whose only burning desire was to find competition at the purest level. More than I wanted to succeed as a stud clean-up hitter and pitcher in baseball, I wanted to succeed at Starcraft.

Starcraft has always reinforced my greatest ideals--and I do consider myself an idealist--about pure competition. We walk onto the diamond as baseball players or we walk onto the field as football players but every player brings with him an innate advantage or disadvantage based on their age and at which point puberty chose to strike them. I was one of the fortunates-- I was the same height I am now at age 11, which made me demonstrably bigger and more intimidating in a little league setting. Parents would have their kids stand 2 feet from the plate when I pitched and so on.

On the other side of the coin we have broodwar. We all start with 4 workers. Yeah, your experience and intellect might exceed mine but everything that manifests from that happens during play, not at the onset. I therefore found the outlet for my ceaseless need for competition in Broodwar rather than in traditional sports because--and I will admit I'm somewhat of a social liberal--everyone starts with the same shit. Your SCVs don't have superior or inferior genes to mine. We start with the same tools. Politics in the school that will have one kid start over another, fuck talent, in competitive sports is not unheard of and very destructive. The destruction is measured in missed scholarships for athletes that would have thrived in a meritocracy but barely made a wave because of local politics.

So, even though baseball was the greatest of my competitive outlets, I needed to play broodwar and warcraft3 to prove to myself that I didn't just win because I had an early growth spurt.

And now we have SCR. I remember playing the game at the local LAN cafe I spoke of earlier. Dudes 4-8 years my senior were embarrassed they could lose to an 11 year old. What I'm saying it's not what you think or what you know. It's how you think/how you know. But really my advantage was having seen pro games (even as young as i was [super fucking nerd]) and my competitive outlet became beating people in starcraft that were much older than I was--They would underestimate me because of my age. This only made me play better because I had a chip on my shoulder.

Fast forward to 2017. I always loved this game and hated SC2 though I was much better at it than the average BW player--which is probably why I stuck to SC2 for so long. Success in SC2 in its infancy blew my head up way too big and I turned my attention from competing to writing guides and explaining starcraft to the casual gamer (something I had to do as I was just entering university and explained the mechanics of the game to maybe 10 people/month)

I am done writing this blog. I don't know what the point of this blog is

Thanks
Mike

*****
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 11 2017 21:23 GMT
#2
"We all start with 4 workers"

- Surfer4life
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
September 12 2017 16:59 GMT
#3
On September 12 2017 06:23 ninazerg wrote:
"We all start with 4 workers"

- Surfer4life


bernie bro lyfe
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
September 12 2017 23:02 GMT
#4
We modeled our society after nature. Having had access at that time to a computer put you ahead of the majority of the world population. Having seen Games of Pros put you ahead of your peers. There can't be a leveled playing field.
Yet some strive to make the world a more just place. What would it mean to "beat" someone on a leveled playing field? Can competition measure anything that isn't determined by the start?

I've never understood the point of competition, all games seem rigged. Is it "me" winning, or just an unstoppable chain of events?

I'm done writing this, I don't know what the point of this answer is.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 18:19:41
October 10 2017 18:06 GMT
#5
On September 13 2017 08:02 JWD[9] wrote:
We modeled our society after nature. Having had access at that time to a computer put you ahead of the majority of the world population. Having seen Games of Pros put you ahead of your peers. There can't be a leveled playing field.
Yet some strive to make the world a more just place. What would it mean to "beat" someone on a leveled playing field? Can competition measure anything that isn't determined by the start?

I've never understood the point of competition, all games seem rigged. Is it "me" winning, or just an unstoppable chain of events?

I'm done writing this, I don't know what the point of this answer is.


Thanks for this post (and apologies I did not see it for weeks! edit #2). I guess the answer would be that this information is available to everyone but I, googling and youtubing shit like a young gangster i was, was able to find teh nony vods.

I think there is only a level playing field when you move outside your local lan and play people that are as dedicated you. I quickly outgrew that lan cafe while I started playing at battlenet-- at the time, I wasn't even able to play at home!

I like the point you make. This game is just pure competition. Not perfect competition. But what is perfect. Nothing we could create O_O


edit: actually, my prowess at sc amongst locals occurred before those vods even existed. I think I just had a tick for efficiency and at low levels of play, especially in the game's infancy, constant worker production was something that just did not exist for most people. The evolution of RTS games is amazing and I love watching games because every decision has dozens of implications.
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 18:10:33
October 10 2017 18:09 GMT
#6
On September 13 2017 08:02 JWD[9] wrote:
We modeled our society after nature. .


This is interesting me to me. We are nature, yet we fight nature so hard in our individual lives it is crazy. Most of our behaviors make no sense on the basis of biological nature. I think our society nods to nature but it has created a golem of excess and overstimulation. I don't know nature vs. overstimulation. Except that if a plant gets too much sun or if you water the leaves instead of the roots they* burn out.

*edit: typo
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 18:10:12
October 10 2017 18:09 GMT
#7
delete dupefk
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:45
Best Games of SC
herO vs Solar
PiGStarcraft415
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft415
SpeCial 141
NeuroSwarm 134
Nina 72
JuggernautJason25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13400
ViBE70
TT1 17
Dota 2
monkeys_forever514
League of Legends
Doublelift5066
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe89
Other Games
summit1g8991
FrodaN1722
Coldzera 850
hungrybox257
C9.Mang0248
KnowMe204
ZombieGrub125
XaKoH 122
Livibee76
PPMD30
CosmosSc2 11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1662
BasetradeTV29
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 66
• RyuSc2 17
• EnkiAlexander 9
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 37
• blackmanpl 26
• Azhi_Dahaki25
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie633
• Scarra528
• Shiphtur106
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
29m
GSL
11h 29m
AI Arena Tournament
17h 29m
Replay Cast
1d
GSL
1d 11h
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
1d 15h
Spirit vs Mixu
BSL
1d 19h
Ret vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.