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Definition of Trolling

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April 20 2017 21:26 GMT
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The most defining characteristic of a Troll post is its pointlessness, other than to invert the constructive flow of ideas and their transmission, to assert a form of dominance of its proprietor over the target post. Only by belittling the effort, value, relevance or purpose of the target post is the troll able to legitimize his or her lack of purpose, relevance, value and effort, and he or she does this via unwarranted assumptions of the proprietor of the target.

For you see, the more effort, value, relevance and purpose the targeted post has, the more of a rush a troll gets upon pressing 'Post' and awaiting its consequences, within the safe confines of his sub-bridge dwelling -- psychologically speaking.

Trolls who are going to make a new account and post the insult with that are funny because they're at least putting in the extra effort, and therefore cannot be trolls, more on that later. A troll is going to try to first and foremost foster a history of pseudo-usefulness to the community that amounts in what others ought to perceive as a buffer of untouchability, because the more seemingly standard-abiding posts a troll accumulates the more impact he preemptively imbues his troll post with. That's why you see them commenting on the most mundane stuff saying shit just to seem helpful or, and this is the crux of this paragraph, integrated, as if to gather caliber for their opinion; carrying weight; representing; acting like they're at the forefront of this established army of freethinking but like-minded in their rejection spectrum people, the people who form the elite authorities on what is what.

A false paradox would be to assume that this is a way of making an effort. It's pre-target-post effort, and has no purpose other than to roll the persona snowball onward, until it's big enough to be thrown at someone's face, preferably someone engaged in doing something more useful than the troll could ever hope to have imagined himself doing, looking susceptible to sabotage, hopefully reducing him or her to the troll's level by making him or her want to return the favor, and abandon his or her constructive undertaking, so the he or she troll won't feel so alone. So he or she doesn't need to rethink his or her values either, upon having witnessed someone raising the bar far beyond his or her reach.

And that is why passing judgement as to whether it is in fact trolling, and determining its extent of gravity and calamity to the OP are inseparable from the target post, and the context of the medium, with all its dimensions like the troll's history on the site. Each post should therefore be scrutinized in establishing the true mentality of the troll -- whether its anchored in something genuinely substance-laden or a superficial disguise from where to strike from whenever he or she thinks he or she can get away with it, being left romanticizing his or her involvement in the psyche of everyone who read his or her troll post.. alas having achieved permanence -- for whatever the OP was building there there is thus incontestable proof of the troll having been involved in it, even if its just a bit of delay.

The worst that can come from misunderstanding what constitutes trolling is the putting on a pedestal -- reserved for those who are genuinely building circuits of awesomeness for all to benefit from, of people who are unable to however slowly, slightly advance towards, or even turn towards a direction remotely resembling that of the trajectory of awesomeness, because then people who don't know how to create value gain the ability to represent it and reap its primary perk: authority.

If there ever was such a thing as the perfect quantifiable reward for having caused something good or elegant to happen as a result of having done effort, or to a lesser degree at least attempting that finality, then it's the orgasm, the universal currency of base-level maximum joy. Whether we are conscious of it or not, every time we see someone do something awesome and enjoying the resulting empathy, we are imagining that we are giving out orgasms, a finite and valuable commodity we could have kept for our selves, but at one time or another one has to recognize that someone abided by a a high standard or even raised it, and every time that happens someone who is part of the solution -- not the problem, will go through this mental process of donating a gasm.

It is best to believe that there is an objective way of telling what is valuable -- as in deserving of being rewarded with a gasm -- and to a further extent of the beautification of the circumstances of achieving it, and to entask one's natural curiosity to mapping out that objectivity, and to profit from conforming and excelling at supplying it, accessible by the specific demand in an ever-changing environment. Trolls either honestly fail to harmonize at this, by tuning their online or real life endeavors to serve selfish and infantile goals, falling short on dedicating effort to generate value with a noble purpose, and achieve a delivery with superlative relevance to the receivers, or even themselves before clicking Post, or they fail willfully by confining their intentions to a malicious spectrum ranging from sheer unwillingness to treat a singular post with the according respect to being a trolling fanatic.

In the case of the former, the troll has himself or herself to blame if that is the case, but a society is to blame if it happens on a regular basis, for it is surely the misallocation of authority, and its uninspired application that left room for the perversion of being convinced to deserve a gasm for posts like this one. Whether effort, noble purpose, relevance and value are tuned according to objective awesomeness evaluation or not can only be said for certain once a post has been emulated to be perceived the way the poster perceived it, and to insinuate a poster is insane is more often then not a declaration of refusal to do so.

The constellation of these 4 cardinal elements that warrant a post being posted can be obscure, and builders might find joy in taking readers on a ride to explore its extent, easing into it at first, but the time spent exploring is time spent doing something other than asserting dominance or superiority, or in the most perverse cases parading having supposedly righteously decided -- for everyone who might see the target post and be influenced by it, that it's not worth their time, and genuinely believing to have done a service to oneself and the hive mind, by signaling it as such.

If a troll has all of the above negative characteristics, and doesn't mind being part of the problem and thus not attempting to redeem oneself by giving gasms, or if broke making it so as to replenish one's stash thereof and then giving some of them to those who build -- instead of those who can't and therefore risk devaluating one's brand with only oneself and to a lesser extent society to blame -- for making it too hard to pursue objective awesomeness research, the next step is to exercise subtlety and brevity. The former to extend longevity of haphazard masturbating at the expense of the universal value of a gasm, and the latter to insinuate common-sense, the twisting to suit the trolls agenda of which is the most effective method to gasmblock someone, i.e. to not only abstain from rightfully donating a gasm to someone who deserves it, but also skewing or contesting the applicability of jurisdiction of the logic governing gasm distribution for the case in question, and furthermore claim it to be a measure rooted in common-sense -- that is it would be silly to beg to differ, and ultimately truly achieving to sabotage gasm income, resulting in a lackluster yield of gasms and destabilization of post value (effort, purpose and relevance) to gasm ratio.

If the troll succeeds, his deeds are unpunished, is left to rave unhinged while gasms are unaccounted for, why would anyone make quality posts? Given enough time people will even lose a sense of what a quality post is, and then suddenly a troll can get away with deluding himself that his posts truly deserve gasms, and pretty soon the only ones on the site are those who ceaselessly have to belittle others to stand strong in this belief. If you ignore the troll, the troll will win. If you ignore the builder because you got your values mixed up, and you somehow are left in the belief that a builder is a troll, the trolls of the past have already won, and the builders of the future will be too frustrated to do what they do best -- deliver quality posts, because it feels like carrying the collective weight of a thousand trolls' inadequacy upon having posted an adequate, not to mention excelling one, and instead of basking in morally awesome-abiding righteously handed out gasms, one perceives the poverty of gasm hyperinflation and misappropriation, and it's them who are sad, the troll not so much.

The assumption develops that Trolls exist in a separate value continuum. Their dwelling needs little furbishing, yet they refuse to do it. Perhaps its because if they make the grandiose and glorious posting endeavors of their fellow forumites crumble, and bring it closer to resemble the way their bridge-ventral accommodation looks like, they can tap into and level with the value continuum of builders, and stand as their equal, with little to no effort spent, which has to mean they are superior by natural law, because in their mind project magnitude, content hierarchy, difficulty and elegance do not compute.

Natural law states that for equal amount of success, the individual who invested less resources and energy to generate the same amount of assets that are relevant for quantification as the other, is the victor. As an extension of this people like to think that if they had spent the same time and energy someone else has, that they would've achieved superior results, and therefore like to make excuses, which is a sure way of not adding additional value to one's post and instead belittling that of others, and ultimately silly, common-sense-wise.

The object of forums cannot be to inflate the capacity and substance of a post to a degree one would otherwise not have achieved without referring to RL. As a valid extension of this logic it should be reproachable when someone makes unwarranted assumptions of a supposed insufficiency inherent in the post, pertaining to an alleged RL mental condition that should make it so as to disqualify the value remuneration of the post. Whether the alleged information is the truth or a lie, there is no sensible argument in favor of publishing the supposition, more so, as I've clearly stated, if the target post is one that could potentially harbor legitimacy for the effort brought about in its creation, if the effort shouldn't suffice to stand as a clear deterrent for making malicious assumptions all by itself.

Generally, further interaction between the proprietor of the target post and the person suspected of trolling him or her with his post in question is to be desired to weed out any possible misunderstanding, however, as stated, that may not be what the drive-by oneliner troll perceives as his or her best interest, and he or she has all the defenses that lack of collective intelligence, unfit reprisal of civilization's authorities -- i.e. failure to amalgamate value production and authority, and society's negligence leave at his disposal. Trools which he'll use by basically not doing anything, automatically upholding the problem, more so leaving it in a state in which it can potentially aggravate itself.

The problem is not lying to oneself, but the fact that it obstructs people to feel good about themselves when they produced something that deserves being dished out gasms for. There is really no sensible argument to bring up anything related to RL, because it can only do harm, and is therefore confirmed mafia.

##Vote: Insinuating mental illness



A lynch has been achieved.
Insinuating mental illness has died Day 0.
It was
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scummy

and belongs on the TL Mafia subforum, exclusively in theme games with speakeasy-level degree of vulgarity explicitness.


Flavor


It is now N0 Twilight. Enjoy the previews for upcoming games.



Original Message From N0:
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On November 05 2016 21:20 Race Bannon wrote:
I can't be the boss of the underworld without having the most bans. Respect is everything, see? Myeh



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On November 05 2016 21:20 Race Bannon wrote:
Anyway, I got this idea for a haunted Halloween voice forum mafia game. Vocal input is recorded and then embedded into a post as usual (.ogg in audio tag), but players need to speak backwards.

To figure out how the things they want to say sound like when played backwards they need to record, reverse, and mimic it.
...
I've tried this now, and it seems next to impo§ible. So nvm. Maybe once we invent and become fluent in a language which makes this easy, elegant and practical, as opposed to english which is horrible at it.

Oops, looks like your browser doesn't support the audio tag yet. You can download the file manually: https://od.lk/d/MF8xMzM0Njk1MTJf/rofl.ogg <=== takes about 8 seconds to load

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"To figure out how the things they want to say sound like played backwards they need to record, reverse and mimic it. I've tried this now, and it's easy. Rofllol @ you, scrubnub"


Godfathers were the jargon, music and movie producers, Verbal Kint, Marlon Brando, that guy from The Imitation Game probably ~ haven't seen it, the people behind Esperanto, the Goa'uld, Valyrian, Dothraki and Klingon languages, Snoop Dogg and the Yakuza all in one, in terms of talent, intelligence and creativity genotype needed to excel.

They were beacons and pylons of covert communication, coming up with lingo to infuse flavor with, and coerce newbloods into idolizing organized crime, attract henchmen or communicate instructions, on multiple levels and to multiple layers of the underground movement. While mobs without them keep loosing muscle to undercover operatives, the "father tongue" stalls the danger, keeping it from reaching higher ranked henchmen by creating informational buffers, coded with patterns, which the player with godfather experience updates at will as needed.


Jailkeepers graduated to wardens of reward, rating hosts on their diligence and flavor and players on their merit, infusing extra cash to those deemed legit and scoring a percentage of their networth later on if they remain free of incidents, loosing money if they don't.


Something about cops made their smurfs infiltrate and bust organized crime figures, by gathering incriminating evidence as undercover operatives.


Serial Killers had deviant motivation, idiosyncratic style and reward systems, fanatic focus and practicality to aquire, reinvent & implement their phenotype, i.e. unique brand of clandestine skillset.

For example, someone with a ludic spirit could come up with, and follow through on the idea-thread of perusing other sites in search of intriguing but unstable characters, approach them and glare them into trying out mafia when an opportune game is in planning, even giving away his ß to see what they burn down, AND collect the insurance money + ranting rights with a straight face.

This was what we were told, what was left after the aftermath of the cover-up. The truth however, was right there in plain sight

The Truth About 72 Hours Mafia


Sunshine
is a young chicken.
      Born in autumn, most unconventional for the poultry in the inconspicuous farmhouse in the town where the streets have no name, she was kept indoors, libero in the kitchen. The special treatment was to cease once her plumage growth warranted it.
Safe from the back-of-the-head pecks of the other chickens and rooster, and lounging at temperatures never lower than 44 degrees during the unforgivingly cold winter nights, some of the perils she did face came from pissing off the dog, carbon monoxide poisoning because of the wood-burning stove's poor ventilation, and her caretaker growing tired of having to pick up her droppings, consequently prematurely exiling her into the barn, where the aforementioned were tetanus-tier stiffening, next level shivering, due to an insufficient degree of insulation from the -12 outside.​
      How would she be able to wrap her little brain around the fact that pecking around the dog's bowl at a time where the canine is expecting to receive one of only two prepared meals of the day, sleeping close to the stove and leaping up on the table and shitting all over it were behavioral faux pas which would get her killed?
      Luckily the dog is an occasional coprophage and chows down on some of the poop before it gets noticed, hence the medic save.

You've never posted in the TL Mafia Subforum? + Show Spoiler [Read on] +
This is a 8 player micro game × 2, meaning the same player base plays in two games, the 48h dayphases of which are played consecutively, one game's day being the night for the other, and you are invited to join.
2 Goons represent the scummy impulse of taking shits in inappropriate places. They have no say in who gets NKed (determined by a policy the intricacy of which only the medic gets informed of. He/she may choose to divulge it for the price of getting modkilled)
Town consists of 5 Vanilla Townies and a 2-Shot Medic, symbolizing the amount of patience the caretaker has left.
The flavor theme for the second game will not be revealed at this time.

Official signups due to start soonish. Accepting reservations (pre-ins) via PM.



A couple of thoughts on circumventing convention.+ Show Spoiler +

Last year an all time low of a mere 40 games of forum mafia have been played on this site. That is unwarranted considering how the popularity of the pro scene of the cornerstone e-sport of this community has re-emerged. Generally speaking there is really no compelling reason not to play in at least a couple of games per year, if you frequent the forum anyway.
The problem might be that the establishment does not foresee the demand of first timers to play among themselves, in fact it's pretty obviously that.
The regulars are cool too, sometimes, but they can choke newcomer enthusiasm pretty fast by forcing their doctrine of how to play the game on you, and frankly there is no right way. The possibilities are endless and the potential to make a game enjoyable and win it while following its ruleset is best untamed. Fuck convention indoctrination proliferation. This shit ain't church motherfucker.. it's mafia, and I'm bringing its untainted essence back for your approval ladies and gentlemen, for your enjoyment.
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Actually this is the flavor theme for the second game, i.e. constructive criticism, as envisioned by the notorious revolutionist Race Bannon:

On December 20 2016 05:35 Race Bannon wrote:
WHEN GAMES FAIL TO FILL + Show Spoiler +
On December 19 2016 09:44 Chezinu wrote:
Longest queue ever


Dear colleagues,

I believer we are experiencing a game depression. Personally, I have been in one of the longest queues to play in quite some time. As the holidays approach, the normal boost of members seems not to be occurring... If anyone has an explanation or an antidote, please reply.


WHEN FEELINGS OF NOSTALGIA UNFURL + Show Spoiler +
On December 19 2016 13:32 Coagulation wrote:
2010-2012 we filled 75 player games weekly so yeah its safe to say mafia is pretty dead here right now.


WHEN IRRELEVANT, NONCONSTRUCTIVE, CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS GET MADE + Show Spoiler +
On December 19 2016 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 19 2016 17:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
But but plz
Liquid legends and liquidhearth are both vibrant, thriving communities


Yes with 5 posts in LLL every day!


THE SOLUTION + Show Spoiler +
OMG, OMG!


IS + Show Spoiler +
OMG, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION, WHAT IS IT?!


REVOLUTION + Show Spoiler +
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WWOOOAAH


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Longest Queue Ever Mafia

Flavor Theme: What has to happen to make TL Mafia great again

Sample Vanilla Townie Flip = Constructive Criticism:
No other subforum has such redundant use of sticky topics. All but the Library and the Database, which shouldn't be separate topics anyway, are superfluous. The Ban List and the Active Games List are at the mercy of fluctuating human availability, best replaced with wisdom of the crowd blacklisting, and a persistent blog post exclusively for hosts to advertise their upcoming games, respectively. First game-thread-up first serve basis. No need for a "manager", as hosts are assumed to be sufficiently intelligent to coordinate and avoid intersecting signup intervals, by themselves. New hosts should be given the benefit of the doubt and spared from going through the condescending process currently in place, as each new host will bump the blog (recurring hosts edit their posts accordingly when advertising new games, and spoiler results of concluded ones) and bring TL Mafia to the attention of other subforumites. Old guides should be linked prominently in the merged sticky and left to sink, whereas players with high bragon / eel highscores should feel encouraged to write new ones. 


Setup:
On October 21 2016 02:39 N0 wrote:Elementary Liquidia Mafia Concept
a bannon mafia game quartet.
Setup

4x 15 persistent-player mini normal with identical open setup + [T] elements involving setting (here), editing (only one game post allowed), day/night phase duration, gradual scum conspiracy concept by conditioning private communication + Show Spoiler [details] +
scum are initially uninformed, 24 to 36 hours after the first dayphase I communicate the face-value bragon count (disregarding void PMs), for them to try and deduce their compadres. Come next dayphase they may PM me the name of someone they suspect to be one of them, so they may join a quicktopic together. If the compadre is the traitor, or a townie's name comes up then the solicitation for private communication remains denied, unless the traitor got shot by mafia and called upon a dayphase thereafter.
, hierarchy prioritization for mafia nightkills (godfather's vote for target counts as 2 and tie-braker, voyeur's as 1, goon's as 1, traitor's 0 until called to quicktopic, then 2) + Show Spoiler [superpowered] +
Passive: immune to investigation, 1-shot bulletproof, odd-day groundhog-day god (cannot be lynched on odd-numbered days). Active: even-night..
SK, Fruit Vending optional for all (exclusively limits active night action / voids mafia member's NK vote, target gets notified: "you've received a/n piece/s of fruit") and unorthodox votecount layout + Show Spoiler [.] +
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Full setup:
DT
Doc
odd-night Vigilante
VT x 7
SK
Mafia Godfather
Mafia Traitor
Mafia Voyeur
Mafia Goon
coming soon

User was warned for this post


Peek-a-boo PS: I'll simultaneously run a clone of this game with regular admission as well, which is why I've announced it in the queue.

OOoops, looks like we misplaced our feature preview presentation, and our affiliate who we know sent out a shitton of copies to a bunch of people is not available for contact. Sry fr.. oh. I know where I can copy it from. Yess!:

Quasi Entertainment: [(r 2.0 + mood) × ( r 2.0 + mood)] ^ ®ß¹²


[N][M³] Liquid Arcanon Mafia


It is now N0 and one thing is certain, by the time we get to D1 the host will have died Mafia

... coming soon.

This is a public service announcement thanking you for choosing TL Mafia, the best place for forum mafia.

You've Read the OP to Long Tongue, Right? And Stop Adding Mafia To Everything Mafia

choose a song and write a verse of its lyrics in
Dragon/Long Tongue / Phonetic English


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egzwmPL:
!aa[] !kwnt !stwnd !it, !ai !nou !iu !plwnd !it
!aim[] a !set !it !streit, !dis !uqtyrgeit][
!ai[] !kwnt !stwnd !rqkin !uen !aim !in !her
!cyz[] !ior !kristyl !byl !eint !so !kristyl !kliyr
!so[] !uail !ai !sit !bwk !wnd !uondyr !uai
!ai[] !gat !dis !fqkin !3orn !in !mai !said
!oou[] !ma !gad, !its !y !m7ra1
!!aim[] !!tellin !!iql, !!its !!!swbyta1

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bai[] dy uei, dis tekst & vidiyu ekstends autuyrd wt y NO digrii wngl t7 ior skriin, bai uei yv dy yp7rkeis l in egzwmPL, uail dy pikcr ektends inuyrd, d7u t7u dy yp7rkeis t in Test.

+ Show Spoiler [?] +
Triviy[]: wm ai nau raiting pwrylel t7u dy mein tekst or ykrqs?
if[] its dy formyr, uqts dy lwst ting ai rout ykrqs, wnd if its dy lwtyr, uqts dy lwst ting ai rout pwrylel?
f7r2yrmor[] uqt u7d bi yn elegynt uei yv signyling dy intent t7u rait wt 7 AS digrii wngl, or y YY digrii uyn?
+ Show Spoiler +
LL /ta/ TT (2 gyrus level undo: ()()P)& LLL /t0/ TTT ryspektivli.


This has been a public service announcement to remind you that all canon theme games have the prefix [T0], and their tolerated in-game usage of language script spectrum is exclusive to Long Tongue.

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Concerned denizen N0 is about to give a speech at the aquaria u liqua about how revising trolling management policy is important to Liquidia, because the improved system gives people a reason to look forward to coming up with edit ultimatum layouts, knowing it will help benevolent forumites feel rewarded for posting quality content.

The mafia has had a hand in upholding poor combative measures. Capitalizing on generating frustration and the resulting dominance of one-liner, 1-star-blog-rating driveby trolls it decreased their moderators' workload, or rather what they had to pretend to be engaged in doing, to a small fragment.

Meanwhile..

"Step right in ladies and gentlemen, you'll feel right at home here", a looping video recording of a bearded bouncer in a wombat pajama says, as if not addressing you in particular at first but postliminary rousing a lynchian vexation as he rictus-grins in your face, despite him only being on a screen -- with a black band around it, adjacent to the entrance. You enter.

Side-faced, eyes lowered, his choleric voice fading "Whether you're a local seahorse or a tourist, who either immersed himself in Liquidia's largesse premeditatedly and sapiently commuTED HERE, or by chance, expecting to visit the Kush's Blog filming locations, having taken a wrong turn, wound up at our connector involuntarily - by design, ignorance or nonchalance having missed to come hither at a most significant period in our t0's gyration by exactly P{}{}{}{} -" you notice this place's acoustic idiosyncrasy, "The Liquid does not discriminate -innate -eight", such an otherworldly reverberation greeting your induction as you escalate the entry isthmus.

Wow, dat majestic, dome-shaped ceiling hosts an entrancing planetarium projection, real-time and locus-fidelitous made up of a sorcerous mozaic of periscoped, refracted and color-filtered sunlight, and continues spherically all throughout by virtue of the floor's spotless transparency

Nice venue but why is everyone's gaze glued to the telly?
You split your attention, partly focusing on something in front of you that progressively reveals itself to be a mafia-game sign-up poster's rule-set engraved along the branches of a holographic tree:"1. You may have other directives that drive you, but aspiring to win should be secondary to none. 2..Hydrablabla ", simultaneously catching something about some former police-chief guy dying .. they found botulinum in his blood.. mafia suspected.. they play mafia here?! Phuck yeah sign me up.

Welcome to [N0] The Womb Mafia / Pula Mafia part II

Koshi, The Bouncer, Background Checker, Illegal Betting Agency Administrator & Undercover Former Police Chief
Smurf
died N0


User was banned for this post.

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 21 2017 02:42 GMT
#2
I know you hit a lot of stuff with this blog, but I want to talk about defining "trolling".

In my big book of definitions, a troll is someone who engages another individual, or group of individuals, in conversation or interaction for the sole purpose of entertaining themselves. Also, trolls who have an 'audience' (or perceived audience) will also interact with an individual or group of individuals for the purpose of entertaining their audience. The individual or group who is being interacted with is the group that is 'being trolled'. The people being trolled often do not have knowledge of the over-arcing goal of the troll. The goal of the troll is to elicit a reaction of some sort from the people being trolled, which can be, but not limited to: confusion, anger, misplaced happiness, sadness, fear, and so on, for the entertainment of themselves and/or their audience.

If someone says, "You suck." on the internet, they may be trolling, but there is a good possibility that they are sincere in their comment, despite its lack of tactfulness. This is a point of confusion among internet users, who consider ALL criticism to fall under the umbrella of trolling. People are more bluntly honest over the internet, but this does not mean they are trolling when they voice their opinion. An non-troll saying "You suck." (outside of friendly jesting) is them trying to articulate how little they think of you or your work. A troll saying "You suck." may not think you genuinely suck, but want to get your reaction for their entertainment. Simply put, they will say whatever needs to be said to get the reaction they want.

I mentioned "friendly jesting" in the prior paragraph, where friends chide each other as a joke. The difference between this and trolling is that both parties are in on the joke, whereas with trolling, one party is generally unaware of the joke.

Some "victims" of trolling may be fully aware that they are being trolled, but give the response the troll(s) are looking for regardless. This is where the axiom, "Don't feed the trolls" comes from -- continuing to react in a way that is funny to the troll(s) and they/their audience. As a long-term strategy, this can be somewhat successful, there is no short-term way to "stop" trolling from happening, except to walk away from your computer, or close your eyes. "Troll shaming", the act of outing a troll's true identity, while temporarily satisfying, does not solve the problem of trolling. Trolling only becomes a problem when the person being trolled is unable to stifle their reaction. It is human nature to elicit emotional responses, so this is easier said than done, and is not always possible or applicable.

Good moderation tools are a way to control trolling. Note that I say "control", not "stop". Trolling will happen, but the frequency and severity can be controlled to a certain degree. Communications channels often have moderation tools, and either the user or his/her pre-designated moderators can use these tools to control the trolling to a certain extent. If, say, a chat channel becomes very popular to troll, that channel will be very difficult to properly moderate because of the sheer volume of trolling that may occur. The amount of traffic being driven to a particular part of the web by the popularity of trolling may be seen as a positive occurrence by the host or primary user of that web entity due to their idea that internet-success is achieved by getting a large number of hits in a short amount of time. This is a common mistake among internet users, who do not realize that their viewership is merely a spike, and their long-term sustainability is shaky as best.
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fluidrone
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Last Edited: 2017-04-21 12:41:38
April 21 2017 10:56 GMT
#3
20+ years ago, a troll was someone mildly disruptive whose objective was to be funny WITH people (inclusive, with other people finding it fun, not just the person doing the bid, making the pun or cracking the joke ; at first (out of politeness certainly) it even had to be with MOST of the people engaged in the conversation being amused by your TROLL or you would have had failed) , yes maybe it was often/ always a bit on the useless side and yes very often mean oriented..
but there was humor somewhere to be found at the core of the action, the ill intent was not there, the humor just wanted to come out there.. and it occasionally slipped out...
.. that made the "troll".
(troll: people who can't help making a good joke even if it is in poor taste for some people within the semantic field the "joke" was deployed in)

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troll (trɒl,trəʊl/) verb
carefully and systematically search an area for something.
"a group of companies trolling for partnership opportunities"
fish by trailing a baited line along behind a boat.
gerund or present participle: trolling
"we trolled for mackerel"
Origin
late Middle English (in the sense ‘stroll, roll’): origin uncertain; compare with Old French troller ‘wander here and there (in search of game)’ and Middle High German trollen ‘stroll’. The computing senses (first recorded in 1992) are probably influenced by troll1.


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Trolling:
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires deceiving; any trolling that doesn't involve deceiving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccessful troll.


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Nowadays sadly the word troll/trolling is misused and should mean whatever disruptive presence is felt and often mostly shitty disruptive and mainly NEVER funny, possibly always dumb and / or demeaning towards a "target"... (i say "should mean" because i refuse to admit it does, i won't gg out on that one, never surrender never stop!)

20 years ago, those people were called names describing what they are: "nitwits" or "cunts" or whatever specialist appropriate derogatory term, .. certainly not trolls!
Why give these people such a lovely word to describe their hate and cluelessness? i for one feel obligated/compelled to type this response : NO they are stupid not funny.. so call them useless or boring, not trolls!
i'm a troll sometimes and i know what that makes me feel when it happens.. FUN, it makes me AND some people engaged in the conversation have MORE fun than there was before... i am proud when that happens, when you see someone who GOT your troll (pun) and was amused/relaxed and even furthers it along... Can't you see the difference between the two?
No? That's weird because i see it and i'm old enough that i have to reach for glasses more and more.. how can you not see it clearly with your prepubescent perfect eyes?

A troll HAS to have a redeeming quality (that quality was humor then) that is what defines trolling as opposed to spewing hate/lies/dumb s hit on internet. You could also be a troll and be informative (maybe barely useful to by-standers reading as opposed to the people who the troll is "bothering/entertaining".. but still, being informative albeit it being in the form of an ice dragon or a joke (even a bad one) .. is being informative / and therefore useful somewhat.. so that would also maybe qualify as a redeeming way to pass mean jokes or poor taste bids or wise ass cracks etc.. (although no one likes a know it all but that would be me digressing ) and that might also constitute trolling behavior (not being totally straight with your usefulness but delaying/defusing it with a twist.. yes that could also be trolling...)

Most people accused of trolling nowadays are bored middle aged angst teens that just want to piss off people because they can't stand how useless/dumb they know they are themselves (they can be 7 to 77) and they think they can safely shower themselves in "dire" reactions of others (innocent/candid people reacting to the things being typed) posters/chatters that get passionate/crazy .. reacting to the presence of nonsense on internet...

TLDR:
They are trolls if there is definitely humor in their content (yes humor recognized by other people "present" / engaged in the exchange, even if a minority)
they are cunts if there is none!


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i'm really too old i tell you, .. i didn't read all your op because you are 2nd century and i'm not.. i got only as far as your talk about troll/trolling
and disagreed wholeheartedly with everything up to there.. so
i don't know
Really? .. things like putting MAFFIA for instance as a name for a type of game.. and relaying that in forums like it meant nothing more than a game.. that's not hip humor, that's just clueless demeaning.. Why?
Just go ask someone opening a nightclub .. do go ask them after the REAL local and then national maffia people come to ask for their share ... not funny at all!
and that is a word used as a general consumption .. i'm so old i feel it isn't funny i tell you
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Acrofales
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Spain17970 Posts
April 21 2017 13:39 GMT
#4
Too long, didn't read.
N0
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April 21 2017 13:42 GMT
#5
On April 21 2017 11:42 ninazerg wrote:
Some "victims" of trolling may be fully aware that they are being trolled, but give the response the troll(s) are looking for regardless. This is where the axiom, "Don't feed the trolls" comes from -- continuing to react in a way that is funny to the troll(s) and they/their audience. As a long-term strategy, this can be somewhat successful, there is no short-term way to "stop" trolling from happening, except to walk away from your computer, or close your eyes. "Troll shaming", the act of outing a troll's true identity, while temporarily satisfying, does not solve the problem of trolling. Trolling only becomes a problem when the person being trolled is unable to stifle their reaction. It is human nature to elicit emotional responses, so this is easier said than done, and is not always possible or applicable.

By stifling one's reaction one would desensitize. Why would anyone want that to happen? Furthermore, why would one care if a troll gets given the response he was looking for?

These sound like beating around the bush to me, and they can't be what trolling really means, because then one would simply feed the trolls and be happy one did them a service without having sacrificed anything, not even having to give up one's sensibility which one probably need in real life, having gained it through evolution and whatnot, probably means it's useful.

The sacrifice part only comes in when the quality of posts drops, and one sacrifices a high level and standard of posting in favor of a lower, common denominator adhering type posting. And the problem is neither one nor the other, the troll, really want that in the long run, it's just the former will suffer standard sickness whereas the troll will simply migrate to another forum with high standards and likewise facilitates its degeneration.

I like this site because the context let's us play around with concepts like mafia, without having to judge or empathize with the doings of people congregating or suffering around organized crime, fluidrone. There is no ignorance or dumbness in this freedom. If I had posted previews to forum mafia games on a site which is dedicated to victims it would've been inappropriate indeed.

If I would've invented the game I would've called it gasm, and have the minority be what I call builders, the majority regular denizen forumites and the serial killers trolls, and the denizens have to figure out who the builders are so they can reward them with a superlatively arranged gasms (lynches), but the builders want real life orgasms instead of gasms which, as I explained happen in the mind, which they'll get if they outnumber the regular (not outstanding content posters) denizens and prove to the public that they're cool, and not some weridos who have a lot of time on their hands because they're losers, ignorant and dumb. The SKs are ignorant and dumb, but would like some real orgasms as well, so they avoid the gasms and being called out for trolling (night kill).
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On April 21 2017 22:39 Acrofales wrote:
Too long, didn't read.

Acrofales as Entertain, can go on list next.

And now let us lay this OPs definition of trolling to rest with a reverse reverbed song

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the way all things should.

But let us salvage the understanding that what the OP refers to is far more destructive, and should be given an at-least-equally-hyped-up name. How about Llort? JK, the fact that it's called that has been decided to be about to be decided when I get my hand on the presidency of the TL Mafia subforum, long ago.
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N0
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April 26 2017 12:57 GMT
#8
Fair enough. Let's call these people I've described above "beans" then.

@ADMIN: please change blog name to Definition of Beaning
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April 26 2017 15:03 GMT
#9
Isn't the best way to fight troll trolling yourself the initial troll?
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