• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:44
CEST 11:44
KST 18:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)8Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly5
StarCraft 2
General
Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014 Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 1/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
INu's Battles#19 2-Days Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3946 users

Technology VS Science

Blogs > jameswatts
Post a Reply
jameswatts
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
South Africa127 Posts
December 17 2016 10:55 GMT
#1
To all those who have visited this profile before : Please overlook the lamentable drop of quality, concerning my previous entries. I put article here recently, with a bit more careful thought and did iterate through a few times.


We were in the car during the 1700 rush hour, and my sister then turned on Podcast via her iPhone. She loaded the channel Freakonomics. Freakonomics is a well known modern channel, with the watchword 'exploring the darker side of things'. The host of the radio station - or channel - is some guy, with a lush voice, full of juice.. a sort of pleasing accent of moist quality.

As you know, Podcast is a 'radio station' but the sessions are recorded before hand. So the overlapping music and voice samples interjected, are seamlessly well produced. The tone is strictly 21st century, and nothing to suggest distrustful pessimism. Overall, the atmosphere serves to dispel the unwillingness that prevents blind submission, to our modern trends and currently existing technology.

On THIS particular Broadcast there was some guy with a sonourous voice, called Kevin Kelly. Incidentally Kevin Kelly is one of the co-founders of Wired magazine.

I have only ever seen the Wired magazine once, about 20 years ago, this was in the late 90s, when the computer was in that incipient peak of development. Years before it became a household standard, and leading up to the .NET crash. The magazine was heavy and thick and could've been used as a Door-stopper. My only memory of it, as I went through the pages, was the periodic appearance of an Apple advert for the new apple computer, G4. I was puerilely aware of CPU speed and all the pages where emphatically clear that the new Apple CPU was 300% faster, than any other then existing processor.

Kevin Kelly has written books, one of them is called 'The Inevitable'. To be concise, it basically paints the future with an impersonal yet optimistic brushstroke, preparing the reader for the pending world of cybernetics and computers.

One precept the book purports, is that any technological device invented by man is 'inherently evil'. That meaning, any device can be put to evil use. The only remedy for this - the solution - is to keep producing more technology. For if all our time, creativity and resources are invested in the design of MORE devices, they will impinge on each other causing a distractive war of competition.. and so removing chance of any single device, put to nefarious use. Though he wasn't entirely resolved to expand upon this notion, and maybe his solution was something fanciful, hoping to urge the listener to start dabbling in technology and computers.

His voice ( the texture ) was pleasing enough to hold your attention for some time. But inordinate exposure to the sound would render your self-possession compromised, disarming the audience into complacent ease. It is interesting to note that we eventually took a bet between us - my sister and I - trying to guess how he looked. We searched and found a relatively amiable fairly old guy with a beard.

In ANY case.. with that said we come to a critical point, where within we decide our response to this presentation.

[DEFINITION] cybernetics : (biology) the field of science concerned with processes of communication and control (especially the comparison of these processes in biological and artificial systems)

At an early age, Kevin Kelly became fascinated with the field of Cybernetics.
His father also worked for Time magazine and used 'System Analysis' in his work.

Currently, the word cybernetics paints a non-specific brushstroke, too large to exemplify ONE field of special interest. But surely he purely focused on the technological view, not so much the human behavioural patterns in relation to current tech. It is precisely here the rift is found.

A sort of hilarious moment was when Kevin K remarked the only problem he cares about is battery life. How he would have to go around replacing the battery cells of every appliance & gadget in his house. It sounded like this guy was immersed in electronic gadgets. Another critical thing which betrays the fantastic ideal of his perception, was when Artificial Intelligence was mentioned, he did nothing to dispel the myth of latent A.I. within the machine. Of course, artificial intelligence, is an impossibility.

All this said, why did some uncertainty descend upon me urging me not to accept all these things said, blindly?

It comes down to the difference when we define the two terms, Science & Technology. Science is our understanding of nature and surrounding environment. Technology is the application of OUR knowledge of science, to create things.

What unsettles me is THEIR perspective of innovation and creativity, believing that there is leeway to be creative in the industry.

Kevin Kelly was clear when he said, once transmission over an electrical medium.. everything else (the telephone, radio, cellphone ) would be discovered automatically aftewards. However the iPhone was a creation brought about through creative innovation.

I think all Apple did was, give the machine a glamourous look, slap an apple logo on it and suddenly there be something prestigious people like better than Microsoft. People neglect to mention what Bill Gates accomplished, completely centralizing the industry, making the computer accessible & affordable to the public.

But Kevin Kelly says the iPhone was an invention. Is this really true? A musical piece is a composition of many things. A single musical note, resonating alone is something without direction and shape. One colour taken alone is not enough to compose a detailed picture.
But all the components and features of the iPhone, taken alone are disparately self-sufficient. Camera, mp3 player, e-mail & daily reminder.. etc

They all work perfectly good alone performing some unique function. But the moment digital storage was perfected, all this media could be saved onto a medium, generically accessible. And so intergration was brought about.

The word Science there is denotative of OUR understanding of nature. But science today is a word applied to some established doctrine, that places materialistic restriction upon an idea.

The word cybernetics there, could well denote the REACTION of people to machines and tech. This Kevin Kelly has not a single introspective clue unto the inner workings of OUR biological system. And I emphatically repeat that Artificial intelligence is an impossibility. If you're going to immerse your self in fantasy & sci-fi, and sell the world a portrait, of sensory overload and robotic indifference... then that is well within your right.

But it is precisely this attitude that makes technology seem responsible for all the bad things on the planet. Did you know 'Internet Addiction Syndrome' first started off as a joke, and only later was discovered to be a diagnosable condition? But people and your friends, one way or another will always say what's on their mind. If there was no 'current status' they could change, they would make smoke signals or paint a picture.

Now the people have instant access to each other across the globe, they can see & hear each other immediately if they want. The audience present, could easily dismiss these words as some cynical outburst of morbid despair.

Before I stray from what I seek to conclude, I think the theme and attitude purported by Kevin Kelly is over-simplified, trying to divert our attention to a realm immersed within the machine.

I do not think the world and trends of today indicate that man is heading for some 'inevitable' state, of being irreversibly entrenched in technology.
AND also I don't think that this guy has the wits about him to play or entirely comprehend StarCraft II!!!!!!

The essence of life flows within. The way is made clear when viewed from above
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
December 17 2016 12:37 GMT
#2
The iPhone was a better PDA or Palm Pilot. Its major innovation was design and not new tech.
Swing away sOs, swing away.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
December 18 2016 06:54 GMT
#3
On December 17 2016 21:37 Korakys wrote:
The iPhone was a better PDA or Palm Pilot. Its major innovation was design and not new tech.

You forgot about the Blackberry.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 21 2016 17:14 GMT
#4
Artificial Intelligence is an impossibility


Under what evidence/suppositions do you make this claim? It's not a fringe view, but it's not the predominate view either. Not to mention it certainly seems AI is possible when considered st a theoretical level.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
09:00
Season 6 - Playoffs Day 4
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
Tasteless1148
ComeBackTV 589
RotterdaM492
IntoTheiNu 436
Ryung 343
Rex85
3DClanTV 55
CranKy Ducklings47
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1148
RotterdaM 492
Ryung 343
Rex 85
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 1493
Shuttle 1352
Hm[arnc] 1108
BeSt 461
Larva 289
Bisu 260
EffOrt 195
Soma 169
Dewaltoss 155
sorry 83
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 64
JulyZerg 45
ZerO 28
Sharp 28
ToSsGirL 25
Bale 23
ZergMaN 22
NotJumperer 10
Dota 2
Gorgc8170
Counter-Strike
Sick133
kRYSTAL_87
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King65
Other Games
singsing1660
WinterStarcraft830
Pyrionflax153
RuFF_SC228
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH284
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2266
League of Legends
• Jankos1495
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2h 16m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
Percival vs Zoun
Cure vs Rogue
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs NightMare
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.