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Bovinity
Profile Joined November 2015
1 Post
November 22 2015 16:21 GMT
#21
I feel like both parties were in the right in that screenshot. The comment about, "Well, we're the big important stream, so you get to wait on us, punk." (Yes, I know you didn't say it that way, but that's almost certainly what the player heard in their agitated state.) could have been just about any other apologetic statement and I think the player would have dealt with it a little better, as it was indeed your issue from what I gather in the screenshot?

As for the overarching topic, always good to let go of things, so that's a positive step forward. (Even if your mods ban me daily, I'm letting that go! )
Escape
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada306 Posts
November 22 2015 16:30 GMT
#22
On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so.


pro players from traditional sports have to deal with all kinds of interruption and delays, and other commercial obligations that they are not too excited about. But they are "professional" and they deal with it.
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
November 22 2015 17:22 GMT
#23
hopefully someone wasn't recording every instance of you being a pleb into a folder too
Harvey1
Profile Joined November 2015
11 Posts
November 22 2015 20:10 GMT
#24
On November 23 2015 02:22 Espers wrote:
hopefully someone wasn't recording every instance of you being a pleb into a folder too


Top meme my friend kek roflmao le trollface. I am happy Espers is here to call people pleb.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 22 2015 20:37 GMT
#25
Its sad to hear that people treated you so shitty. But for you to let go of all penned up anger and delete that folder of yours was a real mark of character. You decided to act out of love for what you do for the scene rather then anger and for that you have my respect. Power to you Rifkin, keep doing what you do. Oh and don't worry, we all need to vent every now and then.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-22 22:39:37
November 22 2015 22:37 GMT
#26
The reason I am only posting this one screenshot is because tonight I deleted this folder full of everyone's ugly history and it's all that's left.The more I obsess and think about the past, and how disgusted I was with most, the more salty I become every single day.


Good.

You probably already assumed and you'd be 100% correct in thinking that everyone who is where they are; no matter how high or low, has experienced some straight-up fucked-up shit. On a personal or professional level and every time, you wonder: "Why the fuck am I still in this?" or "I should really just let it all out and see what happens." But you don't either because you think no one will care or it will do more harm than good and while you're confident you can get work elsewhere; in this sector or not, it just really isn't worth the trouble.

Stay persistent, consistent and focus on where you're going rather than where you were.

Good job. On some level, there is a lot of karma that brings the right people up and the wrong people down but on another; it's really just about focusing what you can and want to do and not comparing yourself to others, no matter how much more successful they become (there are truly some despicable people who are succeeding in this industry).

Keep it up, you're creating your own path, but following a direction of many great others.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 08:23:33
November 23 2015 03:59 GMT
#27
On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so.


The level of entitlement "professional" Starcraft players have shown lately seems to be getting out of hand. You people seem to forget that you have what is perhaps the most sought-after job of your generation. Sadly, many foreign SC2 players don't seem to consider it to be a job at all. How in the world is it unreasonable to wait for the WCS production team to be ready for a match before it begins? It's not like the only reason the tournament even exists is because it is broadcast entertainment for profit or anything.

The fact that this thread was even created at all shines light on so many problems in the foreign SC2 scene. It has been plagued with a rampant lack of professionalism since its inception. We have multiple paid personalities and pro gamers who sit feet away from each other at the year's biggest events while badmouthing each other online and in talk shows. The few leaks and "tell-alls" that there have been make the foreign Starcraft scene appear to be completely despicable, and everyone has stories about bullshit drama.

This is why I personally prefer watching Korean Starcraft, generally speaking. Although I do enjoy foreign content at times, this why I don't really expect to see non-Koreans play on their level. Of course there is better organization which serves as the backbone of Korean Starcraft, but the other part of the equation is that sometimes they just know when to shut up and get some work done.
I am a tournament organizazer.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
November 23 2015 06:22 GMT
#28
--- Nuked ---
Writer
Ingwe
Profile Joined April 2012
United States4 Posts
November 23 2015 06:36 GMT
#29
If I was an organization, just saying you have had this folder; although deleted, would make me not want to hire you ever.
iRGuztav
Profile Joined September 2011
Mexico2 Posts
November 23 2015 06:38 GMT
#30
Positive attitude I'm from Guadalajara, Mexico and I enjoy very much your stream and your and Zombiegrubs casts.
I have had lots of fun with the drunkcasts and the pancakes during the SH games. Keep it up and don't let the bad things get to you. The good things are worth more because of it c:
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 08:04:20
November 23 2015 08:00 GMT
#31
On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so.


I guess this fucker is in 80% of the screenshots?

on a serious note: do you realise that the only reason pro players are abe to play is because of fans/streams?
Sometimes whats best for the pro is definitely not best for the scene.

edit2: You did kinda come off as an ass though in the screenshot rifkin.
HickoryLIVE
Profile Joined August 2015
13 Posts
November 23 2015 08:20 GMT
#32
This is like the plot to Mean Girls
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17388 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 08:54:07
November 23 2015 08:40 GMT
#33
On November 23 2015 17:00 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
edit2: You did kinda come off as an ass though in the screenshot rifkin.


i agree. however, if Rifkin deals with 1000s of situations a week due to his large volume of casting work and if occasionally he is overly confrontational when diplomacy works better.. i say .. just let it slide man.

Rifkin in general is good at putting up with a lot of bullshit. On the odd occasion Rifkin does play his power cards when diplomacy would work better.

rifkin was a bit of a dick dealing with the backlash on reddit about banning people from his chat. his blanket statements and ad hominem attacks were off base.

i see and know the guy's flaws and i watch BasetradeTV because its an overall solid product. but, my eyes are wide open and the guy does not always use diplomacy when its the best route to take. o well.. no one is perfect.

i hope this Zealot Hockey thing is a smash success because the game is fucking great and Blizzard is fucking awesome for sponsoring an arcade game event. and a Caster/Streamer like BaseTradeTV is perfect for just such an event.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
azzu
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany141 Posts
November 23 2015 08:51 GMT
#34
Rifkin, I hope you keep rocking on an being a wonderful person.

I hope you achieve all that you planned. I wish you good luck.
Ichiroku
Profile Joined November 2014
Netherlands1 Post
November 23 2015 08:56 GMT
#35
I don't do what I do for the admiration. I do this because I want to

One Punch Man ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

User was warned for this post
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
November 23 2015 08:57 GMT
#36
On November 23 2015 17:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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On November 23 2015 17:00 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
edit2: You did kinda come off as an ass though in the screenshot rifkin.


i agree. however, if Rifkin deals with 1000s of situations a week due to his large volume of casting work and if occasionally he is overly confrontational when diplomacy works better.. i say .. just let it slide man.




Im not saying it because im giving him crap for it. Im saying it because if you start off as an ass, chances are people going to be an ass to you (e.g what happend in this picture).
nikfra
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany7 Posts
November 23 2015 10:05 GMT
#37
I think it is a great idea to delete the folder and let it all go a liitle. Reading about having a folder with all the bad things and one person proposing a folder with only the good things, I will do exactly the latter. On my daily ladder experience I will screenshot the nice people and put that in a folder as a reminder, what I actually like about the game and the community.
aslejoh
Profile Joined July 2012
Norway96 Posts
November 23 2015 10:11 GMT
#38
No offence, I can appreciate all the work you do, and hours you spend casting SC2, but you just seem like an INCREDIBLE hard to like guy.. just with the way you reply to criticism, and the shit storm that happen with the CarnageSC2 drama.

My point: When you act like a 11 year old douche when replying to people, they will most likely call you out / reply in a similar manner.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
November 23 2015 10:36 GMT
#39
Rifkin, to be honest, you won't need that stuff, and the more you think about it and let it make you angry, the closer you are to ending your own career.

Take it from a guy whose done it already.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Yeld
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria106 Posts
November 23 2015 11:43 GMT
#40
On November 23 2015 19:11 aslejoh wrote:
No offence, I can appreciate all the work you do, and hours you spend casting SC2, but you just seem like an INCREDIBLE hard to like guy.. just with the way you reply to criticism, and the shit storm that happen with the CarnageSC2 drama.

My point: When you act like a 11 year old douche when replying to people, they will most likely call you out / reply in a similar manner.

Rifkin, you should really take this advice to heart.

Working with pro-gamers should be treated like work with any other athlete / talent. They are not expected to have amazing people skills or manners - just to be the best at what they do.
Also, it should be easy to relate to the extreme ammount of pressure those players experience on a constant basis. If you treat them poorly (as you did in the screenshot), you should not expect them to "be the bigger man" just for you.

Not releasing your folder was a smart move, but the fact that you even documented every time you felt mistreated in order to "get back at everyone someday" is incredibly troubling. As a caster / organizer you are a service provider both for the audience and the players. Having a thick skin is a part of professionality as well, so if you want to be a pro, then act the part.
On the same note, you should NOT ignore productive critizism. To be frank, I think your early casts were horrible. You have improved greatly since then, but you still have a long way to go, so it's not your time to act smug and conceited just yet.

Bottom line: Treat players with respect, even if they act like awkward teens (most of them are). Take note of compliments and cherish them in order to keep your motivation up. Ignore haters, but always remain self-critical. If you truly WANT to imropove, your critics will be your greatest aid.
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