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On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so.
Yea, and without organizers and casters you wouldn't have anything to play and bitch about in the first place, so how about "pro players" actually start acting like "pro's" and just deal.
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Well done. I don't understand the statement of Nerchio above. People in general (incl. anxious, selfish "pro" gamers) need to be able to wait when they are supposed to!
And towards people yelling Rifkin acted childish in the screenshot: He did not. 1) He took his time to explain something that is not in his power. Yeah, he even could've gone silent himself. 2) He set things straight and told the guy in a diplomatic way to be patient because they all depend on exposure. No exposure, no money.
But then, people are different. Some of them stupid. Great act to delete the folder... Would you mind letting the drive slip to Slasher, or someone???
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I bet real money that Nerchio made that quoted yet censored post
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On November 23 2015 20:43 Yeld wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 19:11 aslejoh wrote:
No offence, I can appreciate all the work you do, and hours you spend casting SC2, but you just seem like an INCREDIBLE hard to like guy.. just with the way you reply to criticism, and the shit storm that happen with the CarnageSC2 drama.
My point: When you act like a 11 year old douche when replying to people, they will most likely call you out / reply in a similar manner. Rifkin, you should really take this advice to heart. Working with pro-gamers should be treated like work with any other athlete / talent. They are not expected to have amazing people skills or manners - just to be the best at what they do. Also, it should be easy to relate to the extreme ammount of pressure those players experience on a constant basis. If you treat them poorly (as you did in the screenshot), you should not expect them to "be the bigger man" just for you. Not releasing your folder was a smart move, but the fact that you even documented every time you felt mistreated in order to "get back at everyone someday" is incredibly troubling. As a caster / organizer you are a service provider both for the audience and the players. Having a thick skin is a part of professionality as well, so if you want to be a pro, then act the part. On the same note, you should NOT ignore productive critizism. To be frank, I think your early casts were horrible. You have improved greatly since then, but you still have a long way to go, so it's not your time to act smug and conceited just yet. Bottom line: Treat players with respect, even if they act like awkward teens (most of them are). Take note of compliments and cherish them in order to keep your motivation up. Ignore haters, but always remain self-critical. If you truly WANT to imropove, your critics will be your greatest aid.
I'd agree with this. I actually quite enjoy the casts you provide as well as Zombiegrub and your passion for the game is a treat to watch, but constructive criticism does seem to be pushed to the wayside in that I notice a certain "us" vs "them" attitude in the chat oftentimes, with avid followers defending every word and loving everything and anyone that has any criticism is waived off or even timed out, and there's a pressure to be positive/agree with everything said which I feel is a waste. Sure, ban the people who are just trolling to be an ass, but having nothing but happy rainbows in the chat doesn't particularly make it a good chat. It makes it very hard to check if people actually like things or not when you need quick feedback.
All that said, I do think you're a great caster and your heart and passion for the game is clearly in the right place. I'm also not saying that it's easy to deal with all the shit thrown at you; I'm sure it's a lot, but keeping an open ear to dissenting voices and making sure mods don't jump on everyone who criticizes (presuming there's a purpose to it) would be, in my eyes, a clear improvement.
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Being able to discern the constructive from the toxic in criticism also takes time and patience, but I do agree it is important.
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I still don't understand how can someone make it that far in SC2 world with just 4 posts on TL. Isn't this place supposed to be the tummy of the e-world (if that is even an idiom in English)?!
In some seriousness, Rifkin, I think your personality does not come off as the easiest one all the times in your public appearances. But why should that even matter? We are not one big HR defartment to run around selecting only the ones with the best people skills for each and every job so that they can endlessly pat each other on their backs for how great of communicators they are while getting absolutely nothing of substance done. So yeah, you have contributed to the whole scene endlessly by giving it heart and soul - I would dare to say that there is no single thing as important for the "foreign scene" as BTTV - but so did the players and the others involved ... none, or only very few of them, were cast into their roles based on how easy they are to get along with, so it's given that there will be misunderstandings, fights and animosities. But if you are really getting over all this, then you are on a really good track to make what you do even better.
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On November 22 2015 15:32 Rifkin wrote:
All of this stuff, for years, I've just been building up in this one tiny folder that I was planning to just publicize the day I left starcraft, my way of calling down the thunder with a nuclear launch and getting a final laugh. I didn't really consider dedicating so much of my life to SC2 at any point, and over time just didn't think about it much, but now that I have I realize I can't afford to release any of this stuff. It'd hurt my friends, cause drama, and definitely blacklist me from any future involvement due to whistleblower status. Frustrating is the realm of politics.
How can you call people who shittalked you friends?
Also what is bad about posting things about:
Organizations being shady as fuck? This was documented.
I feel like I am the only one who thinks a lot of maybe important information was lost today.
Sure, most was probably unnecessary since people are assholes unfortunately and you have to live with it but information such as this should be worth gold for esports.
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On November 24 2015 02:52 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 15:32 Rifkin wrote:
All of this stuff, for years, I've just been building up in this one tiny folder that I was planning to just publicize the day I left starcraft, my way of calling down the thunder with a nuclear launch and getting a final laugh. I didn't really consider dedicating so much of my life to SC2 at any point, and over time just didn't think about it much, but now that I have I realize I can't afford to release any of this stuff. It'd hurt my friends, cause drama, and definitely blacklist me from any future involvement due to whistleblower status. Frustrating is the realm of politics.
How can you call people who shittalked you friends? Also what is bad about posting things about: I feel like I am the only one who thinks a lot of maybe important information was lost today. Sure, most was probably unnecessary since people are assholes unfortunately and you have to live with it but information such as this should be worth gold for esports.
"shady" is ambiguous word that can mean a lot or nothing. A lot of small "Shady" things go by that no one lets out
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On November 24 2015 04:24 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 02:52 sharkie wrote:On November 22 2015 15:32 Rifkin wrote:
All of this stuff, for years, I've just been building up in this one tiny folder that I was planning to just publicize the day I left starcraft, my way of calling down the thunder with a nuclear launch and getting a final laugh. I didn't really consider dedicating so much of my life to SC2 at any point, and over time just didn't think about it much, but now that I have I realize I can't afford to release any of this stuff. It'd hurt my friends, cause drama, and definitely blacklist me from any future involvement due to whistleblower status. Frustrating is the realm of politics.
How can you call people who shittalked you friends? Also what is bad about posting things about: Organizations being shady as fuck? This was documented. I feel like I am the only one who thinks a lot of maybe important information was lost today. Sure, most was probably unnecessary since people are assholes unfortunately and you have to live with it but information such as this should be worth gold for esports. "shady" is ambiguous word that can mean a lot or nothing. A lot of small "Shady" things go by that no one lets out
which is not good?
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RIfkin's words in that screenshot aren't really unreasonable. Granted more context would say for sure, but what he says there doesn't seem to be out of line. When you have an e-sport, you have streams. And when you have a big e-sports stream, you have a similarly big production behind it. If you're going to broadcast a stream properly and professionally, you need to make sure everybody's ready. This censored response from a certain player doesn't show awareness of this fact. You can be ready to go right this second, but you can't start until the stream is ready to go.
If your mentality as a pro player falters because you had to wait a few minutes, then I don't know what to say, other than it's on you. You need to be able to keep your composure, and most importantly not lash out when everything doesn't go the way you want it. There's an entitlement factor in play here, that needs to be toned down. You can bet your ass, my ass, and my dead grandfather's old decaying ass that the Korean SC2 scene doesn't get swayed by shit like this. They have a stronger mentality in general, and are much more professional.
Also, huge props for being able to let go of a folder like that. Its mere existence is like a weight on your conscience, being able to step up and drop it off a cliff is good for the soul. Stay on that path.
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I would kill a man to see what's in that folder.
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On November 23 2015 17:20 HickoryLIVE wrote:
This is like the plot to Mean Girls
Yes. If anything has been comprimised by this post, it's been my view of Graham as a mostly competent grown adult. Your actions of keeping dirt on everyone in a folder are extremely childish... also if you have evidence of shady organisations there is absolutely no reason to withhold it. Everything else, on the other hand, likely will just make you look a lot worse than the players - who we already sometimes expect to act the way they do.
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On November 24 2015 05:42 ninazerg wrote:
I would kill a man to see what's in that folder.
its prolly about as interesting as one of the 500 Protoss campaign soliloquys we got in LotV.
but , if u want to kill a man you might as well make it the pirate Alan Schezar because he never reappeared in the final chapter , much to my chagrin.
i guess if one of the MODs is a big Alan Schezar fan i'm prolly in big trouble now for spoiling what happens ( or doesn't happen ) to Schezar in LotV.
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It's interesting how many, fortunately not all, responding in this thread are blaming Rifkin for other people's shittyness.
I know every other organisers, casters, players, and staff have experienced similar occasions of a lot of varying degrees of shit they'd have to take from each other.
It makes me wonder...
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On November 24 2015 16:27 partouf wrote:
It's interesting how many, fortunately not all, responding in this thread are blaming Rifkin for other people's shittyness.
I know every other organisers, casters, players, and staff have experienced similar occasions of a lot of varying degrees of shit they'd have to take from each other.
It makes me wonder...
Yeah no need to bring out the "poor me" pants. Noone is blaming rifkin as much as saying that while people can be shitty, his own attitude (for example the one in the screenshot or the whole story about the tournamentguy) doesnt seem to exactly help.
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On November 24 2015 01:04 opisska wrote:
I still don't understand how can someone make it that far in SC2 world with just 4 posts on TL. Isn't this place supposed to be the tummy of the e-world (if that is even an idiom in English)?!
Probably mostly posted under basetradeTV.
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good on you, man.
I think your screenshots are a better indicator of how you dealt with the player, rather than proof of the unnerving crap you have to deal with. being confrontational is one of the tiptop ways of bringing the worse out of people, including yourself.
I just hope you realize that many non-western society operate on a basis of mutual respect, and that's one of the main ways that any business operates.
thank you for you for working hard for us and for yourself
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On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so.
Having Nerchio being the voice of reason should be a wake up call for everyone else posting here.
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On November 25 2015 22:44 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so. Having Nerchio being the voice of reason should be a wake up call for everyone else posting here.
it isnt the voice of reason though. Players come second to viewers and the game getting popular, thats how it is. Without fans/viewers teams wont exist.
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On November 25 2015 23:37 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 22:44 DonDomingo wrote:On November 22 2015 19:19 Nerchio wrote:
I will not talk about anything except the screenshot which I think is not that unreasonable from the player, forcing players to wait when they are both ready is the worst thing you can do and every pro player will tell you so. Having Nerchio being the voice of reason should be a wake up call for everyone else posting here. it isnt the voice of reason though. Players come second to viewers and the game getting popular, thats how it is. Without fans/viewers teams wont exist.
What prevents casters from casting from replay?
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