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On April 10 2015 02:53 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 00:50 opisska wrote:On April 10 2015 00:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
You represent your employer and business, even off the clock. No, I do not. At least I do not want to. Should I be only because people like you want it to be so? I find this way of thinking disgusting. You want to have things in a certain way that you like, but you seem to be oblivious to the fact that this desire of your has an impact to other people. I really hate when my liberties are taken away because a lot of people feel like it ... In almost all cases I think I would agree with you. But OtherWorld's points are interesting too. Police officers are public servants and they have serious obligations to the public safety. It's not like Jimmy at the pizza parlor saying he hates all the parents who come in with screaming kids and the parents start an obnoxious Facebook page to boycott and close the restaurant unless he's fired. A police officer characterizing a cop shooting someone, whether justified or not, as natural selection, doesn't sit right at all. Remember, these are people citizens pay to carry guns around society, keep "liberty" in perspective. Witch hunts and viral mobs and people getting fired are almost always shit, but it wouldn't hurt for someone to talk to him about this and see whether it's seeping into his work.
The officer who shot the man had a previous encounter where he tased a man for what witnesses said was no reason, and the officer claimed was because of a struggle. The officer was not punished and the person he tased was never charged with anything.
Like people have said what concerns me is what if this face book cop 'thinks' someone was reaching for something on his belt or whatever then out of fear of hearing him say "he's going for my gun/taser", they run, this cop has already decided he has a right and his training (in his view) has taught him, to shoot an unarmed fleeing man. I don't want those type of police. Not to mention he watches the cop plant 'an object' on the dead man and doesn't notice anything wrong?
When a cop watches another cop shoot another man down, plant evidence, then lie about giving him CPR and applying pressure to the wounds, and then calls it natural selection, I know I am certainly uncomfortable with that guy roaming my streets with a badge and a gun. When he feels so comfortable about his "shoot fleeing men" philosophy to openly share it on face book it makes me think maybe this person doesn't have the decision making, or interpretive skills, I would expect from an officer of the law.
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Normally I don't like reporting people to their places of work due to tasteless comments made outside of the work place, but I have to admit I find this dude's attitude disturbing, and its not like hes some office jockey.
Should probably report it because why not, the attitude hes got seems like its a problem for someone who is in a position to potentially one day use deadly force, he clearly isn't too interested in drawing lines about the appropriateness of deadly force to the situation at hand.
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So that's how it is. If a cop commits murder, he simply gets written up at work? LMFAO!
Let this waste of life rot in jail for the rest of his life. I'm against the death-penalty, but I was really tempted to change my stance on it after seeing that video.
Fucking cowardly pig.
Edit: oh wow, I just realized the OP was asking if the cop who commented should be reported to his work-place, not the cop who actually murdered the guy. My answer is YES! Report him! Not that anything will come of it, though. Letting the police police themselves is laughable.
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I'm incredibly hyped for this movie. A new generation will be exposed to what that not so long ago time was like and an important part of rap history.
The shit we could of seen if they had cell phone cameras back then, holy shit...Not that we didn't see ridiculous stuff from the full sized cameras...
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No I don't think he should be reported. I agree with what opisska said. If there's anything at issue here, it's the cops assertion that they are trained to fire if someone attempts to grab their taser. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. If he is misrepresenting their training then he should be reported for that, otherwise it is the training that should concern us. His comment was stupid, perhaps offensive to the family of the man shot, but nothing more.
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Well I haven't really seen a good argument not to report him, so I'm leaning toward reporting him now. I'll let his superiors decide if that's the kind of things they wan't their officer to be doing in public, and the description of their training they approve of.
I guess I should of mentioned the officer who made the comments is a MP (military Police) meaning it's in his contract that his 'off the clock' behavior is under the purview of his employer.
UCMJ even covers stuff like adultery while on leave, so behavior like calling a cop murdering a guy 'natural selection at it's finest' is certainly something that falls within their range. There's a good chance his bosses will be like some here and not think of it as a problem and he won't even get a slap on the wrist. So I think by reporting him I can have a clean conscious (particularly if this guy went on to do something like the cop in the video), what his bosses decide to do about it is on them.
Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
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On April 10 2015 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm incredibly hyped for this movie. A new generation will be exposed to what that not so long ago time was like and an important part of rap history. The shit we could of seen if they had cell phone cameras back then, holy shit...Not that we didn't see ridiculous stuff from the full sized cameras...
As an outsider, I'm really interested to know;
Lately there's so much news about the US and the current state of cops vs black people.
What was worse, 20 years or now? Would this movie really reflect reality compared to the spectate factor they add?
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The video was removed but I think I know which one it is. It's the one where the old black guy runs away from the police officer super slowly and somehow he deserves to get shot in the back multiple times.
I think the post is out of line, but police officers especially should be at least reprimanded for making those tasteless comments. You expect that kind of stuff from dumb hicks, but police officers who are armed and are expected to "serve and protect" shouldn't use the notion of natural selection like that. For one, it's a really shitty thing to say, but it gives the impression that the police's job is to kill the "weak" or the "bad people". Perhaps not what he meant, but it's what it means nonetheless.
I'd say he should be reported. As others have said, he'll get a slap on the wrist (if that). And while I don't necessarily think that people should be held accountable for crap they say on social media in some instances, this comment possibly reflects directly on this police officer's outlook on the job. It speaks of his mindset, his views, his possible "trigger happy" behavior on the job.
It definitely deserves a serious talk. You are not providence, as a cop. You don't hand out death sentences, you have the option as a last resort. When you kill someone, it's not "natural selection", it's not "survival of the fittest", it's just sad. Perhaps it was just a comment made in the heat of the moment, but I like to think that my police officers are well trained and mentally stable. The comment he made speaks of a God complex, or at least looks like it. A dangerous thing for a cop to have, I would say.
I want to add that what I've said that even if it was found out that the shooting in the video was technically justified (which would be absurd, have you seen that slow run, the 8 shots in the back, are you kidding me!), it would still not justify the comments made by the other cop. You shouldn't make light of a shooting like that.
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