• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:05
CET 01:05
KST 09:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 1 - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
The 2048 Game Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1567 users

American teams should consolidate - Page 2

Blogs > aboxcar
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 21:15:15
December 30 2014 21:15 GMT
#21
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit



when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 23:35:10
December 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#22
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 00:07 GMT
#23
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 02:54 GMT
#24
On December 31 2014 09:07 aboxcar wrote:
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo

i suggest you watch some s4 puck fpvods then
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 03:24 GMT
#25
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 05:19 GMT
#26
On December 31 2014 12:24 aboxcar wrote:
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow

semi recent game against denial (the frenchies)
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 09:02:39
December 31 2014 09:02 GMT
#27
On December 31 2014 08:31 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop


if u read my original post i was talking about rtzs tendencies and skillset before he went pro (ie when a-god was a rumor on nadota forums and he played a ton of mm and ixdl) not when he was playing on kp
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:30
Best Games of SC
Maru vs Reynor
TBD vs MaxPax
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Maru
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft579
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 9477
Shuttle 440
NaDa 33
Dota 2
syndereN708
League of Legends
C9.Mang0354
Counter-Strike
minikerr20
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King88
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor237
Other Games
Grubby4129
JimRising 241
summit1g135
hungrybox121
Maynarde112
Fuzer 68
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1800
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 119
• musti20045 28
• Dystopia_ 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4474
Other Games
• imaqtpie2712
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 56m
Wardi Open
11h 56m
Monday Night Weeklies
16h 56m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 9h
OSC
2 days
YoungYakov vs Mixu
ForJumy vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.