• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:31
CEST 16:31
KST 23:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues23LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025 LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group B Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Borderlands 3 The PlayStation 5 Iron Harvest: 1920+
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1577 users

American teams should consolidate - Page 2

Blogs > aboxcar
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 21:15:15
December 30 2014 21:15 GMT
#21
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit



when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 23:35:10
December 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#22
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 00:07 GMT
#23
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 02:54 GMT
#24
On December 31 2014 09:07 aboxcar wrote:
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo

i suggest you watch some s4 puck fpvods then
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 03:24 GMT
#25
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 05:19 GMT
#26
On December 31 2014 12:24 aboxcar wrote:
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow

semi recent game against denial (the frenchies)
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 09:02:39
December 31 2014 09:02 GMT
#27
On December 31 2014 08:31 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop


if u read my original post i was talking about rtzs tendencies and skillset before he went pro (ie when a-god was a rumor on nadota forums and he played a ton of mm and ixdl) not when he was playing on kp
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
SC:EVO Monthly
SteadfastSC238
Rex101
IndyStarCraft 64
Liquipedia
Online Event
12:00
Galaxy Open Cup Season 2
CranKy Ducklings154
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 238
mouzHeroMarine 206
Rex 101
IndyStarCraft 64
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40858
Horang2 3957
Bisu 3069
EffOrt 1613
Larva 790
Mini 568
firebathero 435
BeSt 368
sSak 308
Soma 247
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 241
Light 202
Soulkey 166
Zeus 157
Rush 145
Mong 118
Aegong 86
Sexy 81
Sharp 74
Noble 61
ToSsGirL 50
zelot 35
Movie 30
scan(afreeca) 21
Terrorterran 20
Icarus 11
NaDa 10
SilentControl 9
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
The International113013
Gorgc8794
PGG 28
Counter-Strike
Foxcn539
oskar182
flusha90
Other Games
gofns29300
tarik_tv22930
B2W.Neo735
DeMusliM328
crisheroes310
Lowko308
Hui .252
Happy230
Mew2King118
KnowMe116
Liquid`VortiX82
ArmadaUGS57
FunKaTv 38
RotterdaM32
QueenE21
SortOf16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1011
StarCraft 2
WardiTV380
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• iHatsuTV 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 661
• Ler66
• Noizen35
Other Games
• Shiphtur162
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
4h 30m
RSL Revival
19h 30m
Maestros of the Game
23h 30m
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
1d 1h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.