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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 21:15:15
December 30 2014 21:15 GMT
#21
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit



when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 23:35:10
December 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#22
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop
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aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 00:07 GMT
#23
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 02:54 GMT
#24
On December 31 2014 09:07 aboxcar wrote:
s4's puck was great cause of the way his team used him though, not because of how the player used it imo

i suggest you watch some s4 puck fpvods then
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aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 31 2014 03:24 GMT
#25
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow
everything that rises must converge
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 31 2014 05:19 GMT
#26
On December 31 2014 12:24 aboxcar wrote:
link?

i remember he would always phase shift nyx stuns and stuff, and i found it notable because his bkb reaction timing on other heroes was pretty slow

semi recent game against denial (the frenchies)
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 09:02:39
December 31 2014 09:02 GMT
#27
On December 31 2014 08:31 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 06:15 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


when he started playing IXDL literally the only hero he played with qop

and rtz not a good puck, seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpLb2xg04s

a couple highlights is really not enough to say that rtz was a great puck and qop, you could do the same with a lot of other players, and lets not forget that qop was quite the versatile mid back then

my point is, sure he could play them well, but did he stand out from the best players in pro matches? that is what i mean by great-- something the player was known for in pro matches or something that they were better at than most other players. i've never thought that arteezy's puck or qop were fearsome when i watched kaipi, as opposed to s4 or even fata on puck or mushi dendi or 430 on qop


if u read my original post i was talking about rtzs tendencies and skillset before he went pro (ie when a-god was a rumor on nadota forums and he played a ton of mm and ixdl) not when he was playing on kp
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
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