• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:52
CET 09:52
KST 17:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool31Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea JaeDong's form before ASL BSL Season 22
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Mexico's Drug War
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3320 users

American teams should consolidate

Blogs > aboxcar
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-21 10:09:49
December 21 2014 10:07 GMT
#1
NA teams should consolidate now in preparation for TI quals. At present, strong contenders likely include Fluff stack, Not Today. Serious players should try and form a team with a real shot.

My Christmas wish list:

Brax, 1437, Whitebeard, YawaR, USH.

Brax: One of the better captains with actual ideas. Hope you can repeat your success again this year. I think a team with players who value stability and levelheadedness is most workable, hope you can find those players.

Whitebeard: Great support, with the right players could be even better. Support duos like FY + Fenrir can take over the entire game, hope we can see that kind of impact in the American scene too.

Yawar: fame should follow merit.

USH: poaching USH serves two purposes. One, a team composed of the best available carries will always be a force, regardless of how they split the positions. Two, it will weaken other teams who rely heavily on these stable carries as their foundation.

In closing, I want to remind all that draft and strategy are crucial. Scapegoating, musical chairs with players, etc. is often but a distraction and can't make up for lack of strategic insight.

Moonmeander in particular, I think if he could clean up his play and be more stable, and ditch those Hon players with no clue, could be a contender too.

There are really lots of decent, lesser known players. Shibby is pretty good too for instance. Hope they can band together and move #USA forward.

P.S. final wish: Fear please stop playing safelane tide.

Merry Christmas
everything that rises must converge
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 21 2014 10:30 GMT
#2
did you consider korok or forgot about him?
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-21 14:18:26
December 21 2014 14:17 GMT
#3
Moonmeander is alright, but with his current team holding him back like you mentioned, I don't think he will be free to join any teams.

E: NA dota is NA dota in the end, just accept it and move on.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 21 2014 18:02 GMT
#4
EE + RTZ is the NA dream. But just be happy that EG came together and represents NA. Fluff stack (fluff/ixmike/tc?) is way too dependent on TC's back and they simply dont have the skill to compete at the TI level. Other than Smash, Not Today is pretty lukewarm and overall their lack of experience is pretty glaring. I agree moon would be wise to ditch Swindle and company if he wants to accomplish anything in Dota 2 but I dont think you could build an NA team around him that would have enough talent + experience to make a real run at TI. Basically, EG is the strongest "consolidation" of players that NA could hope for atm.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 21 2014 19:18 GMT
#5
On December 21 2014 19:30 icystorage wrote:
did you consider korok or forgot about him?


Pubbing and the professional game are very different games. Sometimes going full pub in professional games will still work. That's getting less and less viable though.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
December 21 2014 20:42 GMT
#6
demon's still a free agent too. don't know if he's in form though.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
December 22 2014 00:15 GMT
#7
I feel you shouldnt be making these threads considering Yawar is already currently in a team with Sumhail and Tralf who are bette rthen the other 4 you posted should join him
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 22 2014 00:22 GMT
#8
Sumhail is a beast
High Risk Low Reward
cheese sandwich
Profile Joined July 2014
Russian Federation194 Posts
December 22 2014 02:11 GMT
#9
I think you forgot to add yourself on one of the teams.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
December 24 2014 08:47 GMT
#10
I always liked Theeban as a player. I hope he will have a resurgence as a player again.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
zturchan
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 28 2014 06:53 GMT
#11
Just FYI, 1437 said he is officially done with playing and onlyw ants ot coach for the foreseeable future, so sorry to burst your bubble on that .
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 28 2014 22:59 GMT
#12
The top teams know that anything you want to do has to be done soon.

What about NA hopefuls!?
everything that rises must converge
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
December 29 2014 22:03 GMT
#13
Sorry to butt in.. but who is this Sumail guy and where can I watch him play? Have heard his name come up all over the place when people talk about the upcoming shuffle.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 29 2014 22:18 GMT
#14
On December 30 2014 07:03 Beirut wrote:
Sorry to butt in.. but who is this Sumail guy and where can I watch him play? Have heard his name come up all over the place when people talk about the upcoming shuffle.

15 year old player, i believe from canada (but is pakistani). used to be one of the top MMRs on the american leaderboard, but plays NEL now. he stood in root gaming for a short time in SL 11.

from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
December 30 2014 02:42 GMT
#15
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 07:01 GMT
#16
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 13:49:37
December 30 2014 13:49 GMT
#17
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 19:02 GMT
#18
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
December 30 2014 20:03 GMT
#19
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


Do you have a timestamp for what you're pointing out, or just the game in general?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 20:48 GMT
#20
On December 31 2014 05:03 Beirut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


Do you have a timestamp for what you're pointing out, or just the game in general?

game in general

sumail goes blink-MoM-euls shadowfiend. can tell they're not taking the game too seriously, but lol really?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech122
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 10360
Hm[arnc] 1975
BeSt 593
Larva 444
Jaedong 154
actioN 143
Leta 80
Soma 67
Nal_rA 64
sSak 42
[ Show more ]
NotJumperer 34
ToSsGirL 23
zelot 15
Bale 15
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
XaKoH 737
NeuroSwarm158
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1330
Super Smash Bros
Westballz30
Other Games
Sick202
ViBE132
Livibee81
Mew2King37
Fuzer 0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick687
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream153
Other Games
BasetradeTV40
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH230
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling140
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
1h 8m
herO vs MaxPax
Rogue vs TriGGeR
BSL
11h 8m
Replay Cast
15h 8m
Replay Cast
1d
Afreeca Starleague
1d 1h
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
1d 3h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 8h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
WardiTV Team League
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.