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American teams should consolidate

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aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-21 10:09:49
December 21 2014 10:07 GMT
#1
NA teams should consolidate now in preparation for TI quals. At present, strong contenders likely include Fluff stack, Not Today. Serious players should try and form a team with a real shot.

My Christmas wish list:

Brax, 1437, Whitebeard, YawaR, USH.

Brax: One of the better captains with actual ideas. Hope you can repeat your success again this year. I think a team with players who value stability and levelheadedness is most workable, hope you can find those players.

Whitebeard: Great support, with the right players could be even better. Support duos like FY + Fenrir can take over the entire game, hope we can see that kind of impact in the American scene too.

Yawar: fame should follow merit.

USH: poaching USH serves two purposes. One, a team composed of the best available carries will always be a force, regardless of how they split the positions. Two, it will weaken other teams who rely heavily on these stable carries as their foundation.

In closing, I want to remind all that draft and strategy are crucial. Scapegoating, musical chairs with players, etc. is often but a distraction and can't make up for lack of strategic insight.

Moonmeander in particular, I think if he could clean up his play and be more stable, and ditch those Hon players with no clue, could be a contender too.

There are really lots of decent, lesser known players. Shibby is pretty good too for instance. Hope they can band together and move #USA forward.

P.S. final wish: Fear please stop playing safelane tide.

Merry Christmas
everything that rises must converge
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
December 21 2014 10:30 GMT
#2
did you consider korok or forgot about him?
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-21 14:18:26
December 21 2014 14:17 GMT
#3
Moonmeander is alright, but with his current team holding him back like you mentioned, I don't think he will be free to join any teams.

E: NA dota is NA dota in the end, just accept it and move on.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 21 2014 18:02 GMT
#4
EE + RTZ is the NA dream. But just be happy that EG came together and represents NA. Fluff stack (fluff/ixmike/tc?) is way too dependent on TC's back and they simply dont have the skill to compete at the TI level. Other than Smash, Not Today is pretty lukewarm and overall their lack of experience is pretty glaring. I agree moon would be wise to ditch Swindle and company if he wants to accomplish anything in Dota 2 but I dont think you could build an NA team around him that would have enough talent + experience to make a real run at TI. Basically, EG is the strongest "consolidation" of players that NA could hope for atm.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 21 2014 19:18 GMT
#5
On December 21 2014 19:30 icystorage wrote:
did you consider korok or forgot about him?


Pubbing and the professional game are very different games. Sometimes going full pub in professional games will still work. That's getting less and less viable though.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
December 21 2014 20:42 GMT
#6
demon's still a free agent too. don't know if he's in form though.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
December 22 2014 00:15 GMT
#7
I feel you shouldnt be making these threads considering Yawar is already currently in a team with Sumhail and Tralf who are bette rthen the other 4 you posted should join him
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 22 2014 00:22 GMT
#8
Sumhail is a beast
High Risk Low Reward
cheese sandwich
Profile Joined July 2014
Russian Federation194 Posts
December 22 2014 02:11 GMT
#9
I think you forgot to add yourself on one of the teams.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
December 24 2014 08:47 GMT
#10
I always liked Theeban as a player. I hope he will have a resurgence as a player again.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
zturchan
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 28 2014 06:53 GMT
#11
Just FYI, 1437 said he is officially done with playing and onlyw ants ot coach for the foreseeable future, so sorry to burst your bubble on that .
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 28 2014 22:59 GMT
#12
The top teams know that anything you want to do has to be done soon.

What about NA hopefuls!?
everything that rises must converge
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
December 29 2014 22:03 GMT
#13
Sorry to butt in.. but who is this Sumail guy and where can I watch him play? Have heard his name come up all over the place when people talk about the upcoming shuffle.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 29 2014 22:18 GMT
#14
On December 30 2014 07:03 Beirut wrote:
Sorry to butt in.. but who is this Sumail guy and where can I watch him play? Have heard his name come up all over the place when people talk about the upcoming shuffle.

15 year old player, i believe from canada (but is pakistani). used to be one of the top MMRs on the american leaderboard, but plays NEL now. he stood in root gaming for a short time in SL 11.

from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
December 30 2014 02:42 GMT
#15
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 07:01 GMT
#16
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 13:49:37
December 30 2014 13:49 GMT
#17
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 19:02 GMT
#18
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
December 30 2014 20:03 GMT
#19
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


Do you have a timestamp for what you're pointing out, or just the game in general?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 30 2014 20:48 GMT
#20
On December 31 2014 05:03 Beirut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:02 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 22:49 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 16:01 rabidch wrote:
On December 30 2014 11:42 Kraznaya wrote:
On December 30 2014 07:18 rabidch wrote:


from what i've seen of his play hes very mechanically stable but a very aggressive player


which describes rtz before he went pro

rtz was not an aggressive player really. he sometimes did some ballsy moves but he was always a player that put farm progression over tempo setting. sumail is more of a play maker that enjoys having farm, like fata or dendi


i think that was true for artour on some heroes like TA and SF but not on others like puck or qop

i still remember when RTZ was a god of laning stage (including common solo kills) and then would throw relentlessly past it by prioritizing diving over farm

rtz was never a great puck or qop player though. i also thought his storm was always merely decent

even when rtz was stomping joke teams he'd never do this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSXk9HPk0o


Do you have a timestamp for what you're pointing out, or just the game in general?

game in general

sumail goes blink-MoM-euls shadowfiend. can tell they're not taking the game too seriously, but lol really?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
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