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I've noticed in the last couple of years, perhaps it's just me, perhaps it's society quietly mutating, but there is a bit of a distinction in some specific mentalities of the people on the internet, or on speaking to other people in general.
Previously, I noticed that when males speak/type they use a more specific get to the point, concrete, facts way of communication. And females would be different, with the focus more on the overall setting or mood etc (i'm not female so it's hard for me to specify this in a more loving way). In general this is true, and I understand there are always exceptions. And of course there is nothing wrong with this, males and females are not the same and have pros and cons to each. That's how humans work together to be great.
Because of this, I thought it was usually somewhat easy, more than 50% of the time to be able to tell if a man or a woman wrote something, without having seen the person or even really reading the entire text. Just a snippet of context or a paragraph could be enough. However, lately onto my main point, a previously very clear 'giveaway' or distinction was that males would say something like: "I disagree because I think..." and a woman would say something like "I disagree, I feel that..." In any given context this used to hold true at a majority rate (unless I was simply not noticing it before, kinda like how you tend to notice a specific car with the same color more once you know someone who has it). Maybe I'm entirely wrong about this, but it seems that I see more and more males writing or even saying "I feel like...". And I have heard other people, smarter people, mention things along these lines.
This is interesting to me, and I am curious if there is a sort of consciousness shift of the population in the way we speak, or perhaps evolving our weaker traits in order to be better humans etc. Who knows.
Along the lines of this are other noticeable things that have been studies, such as how mtf transgender brains are wired differently, more female, yet still have male passions and pursuits in a lot of cases that appear more male on paper. And the ftm transpeople don't seem to have a similar type of brain, they almost seem to be trying too hard to appear male and only have manly hobbies etc. But again maybe that is just a stigma on gender roles, where females are more accepted to do anything and males are not. Who knows.
Another thing, is recent studies on gay parent couples. Traditionally, all things being equal, it is best to have a father and mother, as they both provide very specific and well understood roles on childhood development. However, science says that the gay brains are wired more well rounded in that they can fulfill both roles just as well, or almost as well as the dual gender parental unit.
Is this all part of human evolution, are we slowing adapting into a single type of brain wiring that better understands and is more efficient at being the social animal? Is this actually a bad mutation for the human race in the long run?
I'm getting a little off topic, but basically I have just noticed that males seem to sound less male these days, and I'm not saying its bad or good, just curious about it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that there are too many controls in society now, life is not as simple as it used to be in a day to day life of a male, etc. etc. Perhaps we are adopting a more repressed/oppressed role that most females have felt for so long. Maybe that's just always been bullshit? Who knows.
Or maybe it's just something each man goes through as he gets older and wiser, and becomes less under the influence of the most powerful drug in the world, testosterone.
 
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I feel like this is kind generaliz... D'OH!
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In general this is true, and I understand there are always exceptions. And of course there is nothing wrong with this, males and females are not the same and have pros and cons to each. That's how humans work together to be great.
I find that one of the more interesting questions when it comes to gender differentiation. How does one distinguish between social reflexivity and innate preferences without appealing to the dubious claims of evolutionary psychology?
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On December 18 2014 03:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +In general this is true, and I understand there are always exceptions. And of course there is nothing wrong with this, males and females are not the same and have pros and cons to each. That's how humans work together to be great. I find that one of the more interesting questions when it comes to gender differentiation. How does one distinguish between social reflexivity and innate preferences without appealing to the dubious claims of evolutionary psychology?
Well, you could always just appeal to the authority of your religion for the 'appropriate' gender roles and behaviors.
Edit: Also, the most powerful drug is not testosterone. It's heroin.
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I feel like
science says
has become an increasingly popular thing to say because really dumb journalists write it in articles a lot of people read. Same with
recent studies
which has a meaning that by itself is fairly innocuous, but has come to be a huge alarm bell for me that means "I read this in a magazine and don't know much about the details of the actual study."
Your overall thought is interesting enough though. In my opinion we take on these gender specific collocations as a means of a social survival, and as various social movements have taken place, we put less and less pressure on people to act out a certain gender role. In communication especially, on the internet where usually no one's judgement can do you any real harm, and you frequently don't know the genders of the people you interact with at first, you are picking up internet social collocations which are just as useful for your survival and happiness. Then because the internet is such a big part of our lives, in spills over into real life and you hear people saying out loud what they learned from the internet. Sometimes it makes you cringe, sometimes you don't notice it 
+ Show Spoiler +My problem with "science says" is that it sounds weird since we don't usually say that topics in English can say things. It's like saying "strategy says that F5 is a good place for your bishop." So it gives me the impression the person doesn't realise Science is a wide-reaching topic, not a single entity capable of making a specific declaration. Furthermore, it's the type of topic that doesn't itself give us conclusions, just solid data to try to make conclusions from. Same with "science shows." What you mean is a study on X has led me (or the journalist whose article I read) to believe...
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I feel like you just started with a premise long ago, and then simply fed your existing belief via confirmation bias.
On December 18 2014 03:18 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 02:50 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Along the lines of this are other noticeable things that have been studies, such as how mtf transgender brains are wired differently, more female, yet still have male passions and pursuits in a lot of cases that appear more male on paper. And the ftm transpeople don't seem to have a similar type of brain, they almost seem to be trying too hard to appear male and only have manly hobbies etc. But again maybe that is just a stigma on gender roles, where females are more accepted to do anything and males are not. Who knows. as someone who is trans (mtf) I can assure you that gender roles is not related in any way, at all, ever. People undergo hormone treatment and surgery because their physical body causes them anxiety and stress, not so they can be a housewife or work on cars without being called a dyke. As for mtfs having "male passions", or somehow being more male than cis-females, that is completely made up nonsense. I am not a super femme mtf, partly because I am in the closet to more than 99% of people I know, but look up someone like gigi gorgeous. I dare you to say that she appears "more male on paper" than ciswomen lol.
Gender roles aren't related to desire to transition, but surely they have different impacts on trans vs cis people? It's a nature vs nurture thing.
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On December 18 2014 06:18 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 05:04 Alzadar wrote:
Gender roles aren't related to desire to transition, but surely they have different impacts on trans vs cis people? It's a nature vs nurture thing. I don't really know what you are trying to say.
If you are born with a female brain but everyone treats you as male during your childhood, that's going to have an impact on your development regardless of if/when you transition. Surely you agree with this? So trans women will think differently from cis because their nurturing was different, they were formed by different gender roles.
Not sure if that explains better. I have a completely alternate theory but it's even harder to express.
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On December 18 2014 06:37 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 06:33 Alzadar wrote:
If you are born with a female brain but everyone treats you as male during your childhood, that's going to have an impact on your development regardless of if/when you transition. Surely you agree with this? So trans women will think differently from cis because their nurturing was different, they were formed by different gender roles.
Not sure if that explains better. I have a completely alternate theory but it's even harder to express. There's no universal female experience* that makes one person "more female" than someone else. I have a cousin who is gay, and she is millions of times more masculine than me, despite being a cis woman. There's examples like this everywhere, each person is different, regardless of what toys they played with as a child. *disregarding periods and child birth
I'm not sure that we're in disagreement? People are individuals but boys and girls are treated differently by others.
An extreme example might help. Say in a given society men are expected to be very silent and women are expected to blow raspberries all the time. Would a post-transition MtF woman would feel weird blowing raspberries, and the FtM man would struggle to stay quiet? Or would you say that one inwardly inverts gender roles, even if you are treated as the opposite?
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On December 18 2014 06:33 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 06:18 Onekobold wrote:On December 18 2014 05:04 Alzadar wrote:
Gender roles aren't related to desire to transition, but surely they have different impacts on trans vs cis people? It's a nature vs nurture thing. I don't really know what you are trying to say. If you are born with a female brain but everyone treats you as male during your childhood, that's going to have an impact on your development regardless of if/when you transition. Surely you agree with this? So trans women will think differently from cis because their nurturing was different, they were formed by different gender roles. Not sure if that explains better. I have a completely alternate theory but it's even harder to express.
I've always thought so because it explains why there are more good mtf than cis-female sc2 players, which would otherwise be absurd.
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On December 18 2014 02:50 MarlieChurphy wrote:
I've noticed in the last couple of years, perhaps it's just me, perhaps it's society quietly mutating, but there is a bit of a distinction in some specific mentalities of the people on the internet, or on speaking to other people in general.
Previously, I noticed that when males speak/type they use a more specific get to the point, concrete, facts way of communication. And females would be different, with the focus more on the overall setting or mood etc (i'm not female so it's hard for me to specify this in a more loving way). In general this is true, and I understand there are always exceptions. And of course there is nothing wrong with this, males and females are not the same and have pros and cons to each. That's how humans work together to be great.
Because of this, I thought it was usually somewhat easy, more than 50% of the time to be able to tell if a man or a woman wrote something, without having seen the person or even really reading the entire text. Just a snippet of context or a paragraph could be enough. However, lately onto my main point, a previously very clear 'giveaway' or distinction was that males would say something like: "I disagree because I think..." and a woman would say something like "I disagree, I feel that..." In any given context this used to hold true at a majority rate (unless I was simply not noticing it before, kinda like how you tend to notice a specific car with the same color more once you know someone who has it). Maybe I'm entirely wrong about this, but it seems that I see more and more males writing or even saying "I feel like...". And I have heard other people, smarter people, mention things along these lines.
This is interesting to me, and I am curious if there is a sort of consciousness shift of the population in the way we speak, or perhaps evolving our weaker traits in order to be better humans etc. Who knows.
Along the lines of this are other noticeable things that have been studies, such as how mtf transgender brains are wired differently, more female, yet still have male passions and pursuits in a lot of cases that appear more male on paper. And the ftm transpeople don't seem to have a similar type of brain, they almost seem to be trying too hard to appear male and only have manly hobbies etc. But again maybe that is just a stigma on gender roles, where females are more accepted to do anything and males are not. Who knows.
Another thing, is recent studies on gay parent couples. Traditionally, all things being equal, it is best to have a father and mother, as they both provide very specific and well understood roles on childhood development. However, science says that the gay brains are wired more well rounded in that they can fulfill both roles just as well, or almost as well as the dual gender parental unit.
Is this all part of human evolution, are we slowing adapting into a single type of brain wiring that better understands and is more efficient at being the social animal? Is this actually a bad mutation for the human race in the long run?
I'm getting a little off topic, but basically I have just noticed that males seem to sound less male these days, and I'm not saying its bad or good, just curious about it. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that there are too many controls in society now, life is not as simple as it used to be in a day to day life of a male, etc. etc. Perhaps we are adopting a more repressed/oppressed role that most females have felt for so long. Maybe that's just always been bullshit? Who knows.
Or maybe it's just something each man goes through as he gets older and wiser, and becomes less under the influence of the most powerful drug in the world, testosterone.
What exactly are you noticing? That men and women tend to act differently? Good job bro.
Or men are acting "less male"? How can you act less male if you are male? You mean like less like the norm stereotype you have to expect that when you with mass spread of information you can't just go on talking trash and shit because you end up getting a lawsuit LOL
I mean if you think of manly stereotypes like fighting, killing, raping, harassing women, lot of that shit is illegal LOL so its gonna drop
We'll adapt to whatever increases our chances at reproduction as we always have.
At least as a trendline.
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On December 18 2014 07:07 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 07:02 Grumbels wrote:
I've always thought so because it explains why there are more good mtf than cis-female sc2 players, which would otherwise be absurd. I think the reason that there aren't that many women that play video games is because we treat them like shit lol
Right, and that's sort of what I'm saying. Here blowing raspberries is playing video games.
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On December 18 2014 07:22 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 07:11 Alzadar wrote:
Right, and that's sort of what I'm saying. Here blowing raspberries is playing video games. ok but I'm a girl and I play video games. I used to play online games a lot before I started my transition and the worst things anyone said to me was like "nice accent, eh nerd" because I was super canadian and said eh all the time. Compare that to women being called attention whores, sluts, etc and I can totally see why there aren't many. I don't think that women avoid video games because its a "guy thing", I think they stay away because people treat them like shit. And maybe that's because some guys subscribe to the idea that video games are for men only, but I don't see many women staying away because games are "too manly". Games are fun, everyone loves games regardless of their sexy bits.
I'm pretty sure we're in agreement, just that you're making a distinction between gender roles and how people treat other genders, and I'm lumping them both in one container.
To refine my example, if boys were harassed for blowing raspberries, then trans men would blow more raspberries than cis men.
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