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Onekobold, my point overall about trans women and females is that there is an obvious difference between them and then even more so with transmen.
For example, girl gamers like ninazerg suggested, are either A) quietly gaming and trying to keep their gender a secret so boys don't bother them, or B) being attention whores. And for the most part, there aren't any really competitive/good girl gamers. And I don't think this has to do with what society says or whatever gender bias spin people like to throw on it, if she is passionate about it and can win, she will play and will win. Fuck what everyone else says if she's as good as Flash and can make thousands of dollars etc. Everyone else is irrelevant at that point.
As far as transwomen, you would think the same would apply but it's not exactly. Seemingly, the transwomen are more willing to out themselves, maybe that has something to do with the dual role metaphor there? And then on top of that, there seems to be even more of them as players and that gender doesn't even apply anymore, because they are actually good players. They have proved themselves regardless of what gender they are or what gender they subscribe too. It's irrelevant at that point.
Now as for transmen, they are never even around. I've tried to google around and I think I found 1 forum where ftm play games, and they all seem to be pretty casual and have various gaming tastes, which you could expect in any group. However, they don't look for attention, nor do they stand out in any way, nor do they really hide their gender afaik. There are just less of them as a whole.
This to me seems to be that there is something inherently in the male brain wiring that makes them better and more attracted in general at gaming regardless which gender they identified with.
Either way, there seems to be a higher percentage of transwomen gamers making themselves known directly/indirectly than female or transmen gamers. And that is something that is curious because clearly there is something different going on in their brains.
This wasn't really the point of my topic though, my point is just that the way people speak now seems more androgynous or more feminine these days, and was curious if anyone noticed or had any ideas of their own as to why that was.
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I'm with Grumbels on this one. I can tell the difference most of the time also. Some girls on WoW were surprised when I would ask and be right.
edit: Great articles Grumbels, I thoroughly enjoyed it. thanks for sharing!
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On December 18 2014 08:45 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 07:07 Onekobold wrote:On December 18 2014 07:02 Grumbels wrote:
I've always thought so because it explains why there are more good mtf than cis-female sc2 players, which would otherwise be absurd. I think the reason that there aren't that many women that play video games is because we treat them like shit lol That's certainly not all of it. Ask a 10 year old girl if she wants to play a competitive war game, she won't because it doesn't fit the gender roles she's been taught.
Incidentally, that's when I started becoming interested in strategy/war games.
On December 18 2014 10:36 MarlieChurphy wrote:
For example, girl gamers like ninazerg suggested, are either A) quietly gaming and trying to keep their gender a secret so boys don't bother them, or B) being attention whores. And for the most part, there aren't any really competitive/good girl gamers.
I don't know if I said that.
+ Show Spoiler +If I did ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pQXL81K.png)
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On December 18 2014 12:51 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 10:36 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Onekobold, my point overall about trans women and females is that there is an obvious difference between them and then even more so with transmen. based on your extensive google search, nice. You must have put a fedora on while writing that post. It's pretty clear nothing I say is going to stick, but you could do with keeping your opinions on trans issues to yourself, unless you are deliberately trying to offend people.
So let me ask you personally then, how many girl gamers do you know/know of? How many ftm trans? How many mtf trans?
I'd wager if you asked most gamers, they would know more ftm or girl, and then mtf. Obviously there is something to this.
btw, you haven't really argued anything I said, you just called me names etc. Great rebuttals.
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lol @ women are emotional creatures
wtf ppl
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On December 18 2014 15:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
how many girl gamers do you know/know of?
Kaitlyn, MsSpyte, Livibee, QueenE, Behkuh, Aphrodite, Eve, Tossgirl, Marie, Munkie, Reclusive, Zombiegrub, Livinpink, Hazelynut, Maddelisk, Smix, xVixen, Catreina, Megumixbear, Aurora, KellyMILKIES, Flo, DaSakura, Miishelle, Luway, Geosc, TaraBabcock, Kaceytron, Tesla, Raspberry, ailuj, Karen, Rogue, Navi, Yui, donut, NKaeris, AprilDai, Aureylian, ihascupquake, HeyAsh, Dodger, AllyJacqui, Donnabellez,Games1219, Jezdamayel, Kwingsletsplays, LaurenzSide, Lucahjin, MasaeAnela, MihariofMabinogi, Nuttylamb ,TailsProwerYoshiGirl, Two Bitches Play Stupid Games, Vynnad, Zerggirl-, Hitomi1, Ricochet, jso, potter, ali, Ms.X, Liefje, Missy, Hafu, Vanessa, Sarah Lou, Kasumi Chan, Mystik, XBLA Tart, Alymew, Trito, zAAz, Kayane, missharvey, iRENE, lilsan, Sonia, janeosaur, lidy, cazzidy, mitsu, catpower, Eileen, Miss, Phoenix, Perpetiel, Snuggles, Colagirl, Rayuki, Navy, colalin, soyhi, JongMi, Miss V, Tilea, Cla, Ritta, and your mom.
Edit: Not sure if Kiett, Shirousagi, or Lilsusie play any games.
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some of the ids in that list are very good
Two Bitches Play Stupid Games
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On December 18 2014 10:36 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Onekobold, my point overall about trans women and females is that there is an obvious difference between them and then even more so with transmen.
For example, girl gamers like ninazerg suggested, are either A) quietly gaming and trying to keep their gender a secret so boys don't bother them, or B) being attention whores.
I don't know where you're getting this false dichotomy from. I don't try overtly to reveal or hide my gender when I play, (but then mine is the norm) but women in a gaming world of massively socially awkward horny men are always going to get lots of attention like it or not, hardly fair to call them all attention whores.
On December 18 2014 10:36 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This to me seems to be that there is something inherently in the male brain wiring that makes them better and more attracted in general at gaming regardless which gender they identified with.
Don't know if you need to say "better", passion time and energy is sufficient to get good at something (provided you're not really deluded and have a shitty attitude to everything). If you are trying to claim that the male brain specifically is causing dudes everywhere to play vidya games all day and some of them eventually get good that would be enough to explain your results.
All the best go players are in asia. Should we then conclude that the asian brain is wired to be better and more attracted to that board game? You have to take into account exposure and opportunity as well. Or is it the power of rice?
You need to be very wary with these 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' conclusions because you are likely to give yourself a conclusion based on your bias and back it up with what you can.
In general everything you're saying about trans people seems just basically made up based on whatever you decided to think up one day and you stuck with it. You have really vague data and a worthless sample size so I don't think you can really say anything that holds any weight.
On December 18 2014 10:36 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This wasn't really the point of my topic though, my point is just that the way people speak now seems more androgynous or more feminine these days, and was curious if anyone noticed or had any ideas of their own as to why that was.
Based on your definition of what speaking in a "masculine way" is? As I mentioned, you can't go around tweeting the sort of things you spammed in Clan X17. Flinging expletives and wildly aggressive insults like you might with your friends in a chatroom can't be done on public forums, facebook, or twitter, where anyone from your grandma to the president of uganda can read them. There's no way to interpret that you're just talking shit on the internet or you're one of the worst human beings that hasn't technically committed a crime. You don't want a concerned phonecall from your grandmother checking to make sure you can afford enough condoms to safely bang Tim's mom every night.
On December 18 2014 19:17 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 15:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
how many girl gamers do you know/know of? Kaitlyn, MsSpyte, Livibee, QueenE, Behkuh, Aphrodite, Eve, Tossgirl, Marie, Munkie, Reclusive, Zombiegrub, Livinpink, Hazelynut, Maddelisk, Smix, xVixen, Catreina, Megumixbear, Aurora, KellyMILKIES, Flo, DaSakura, Miishelle, Luway, Geosc, TaraBabcock, Kaceytron, Tesla, Raspberry, ailuj, Karen, Rogue, Navi, Yui, donut, NKaeris, AprilDai, Aureylian, ihascupquake, HeyAsh, Dodger, AllyJacqui, Donnabellez,Games1219, Jezdamayel, Kwingsletsplays, LaurenzSide, Lucahjin, MasaeAnela, MihariofMabinogi, Nuttylamb ,TailsProwerYoshiGirl, Two Bitches Play Stupid Games, Vynnad, Zerggirl-, Hitomi1, Ricochet, jso, potter, ali, Ms.X, Liefje, Missy, Hafu, Vanessa, Sarah Lou, Kasumi Chan, Mystik, XBLA Tart, Alymew, Trito, zAAz, Kayane, missharvey, iRENE, lilsan, Sonia, janeosaur, lidy, cazzidy, mitsu, catpower, Eileen, Miss, Phoenix, Perpetiel, Snuggles, Colagirl, Rayuki, Navy, colalin, soyhi, JongMi, Miss V, Tilea, Cla, Ritta, and your mom. Edit: Not sure if Kiett, Shirousagi, or Lilsusie play any games.
I know kiett was playing some lol but maybe that makes her dead to you now.
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On December 18 2014 17:02 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 15:14 MarlieChurphy wrote:
btw, you haven't really argued anything I said, you just called me names etc. Great rebuttals. mate you just said that I'm not a woman, now you try and play the victim? please lmao Your blog was baselessly sexist and every time you've said something about your extensive knowledge transgender issues you've just said something offensive. there's a lot of smart people on this website who know a lot about things I have no idea about, but I can safely say that I know more than most about transgenderism than you do. Basically all you've said so far is that trans women are just men because scarlett and tilea are good at sc2. I've lived like this my whole life like this and you did a google search. Seriously, come on. I can't make anyone understand what it's like or how they are wrong, and no one here appears to give a shit and would rather say retarded shit like "mtf have male brains" or something equally asinine so I'm just going to leave and stop trolling myself by reading this crap.
First you derail my topic to make it about you and trans issues.
Then you call me names.
Then you say I'm playing a victim (which I am not, wtf?) and derailing the topic further without even answering any of my questions or enlightening me. And then you call me more names. Is this how you get through life?
In your 'rebuttal' here in this post, here is how it reads:
Making up stuff I didn't say, making up stuff I said.
Calling me names, making up things I claimed, calling me offensive.
Saying you know more than I (without showing anything) even though, again, I never claimed to know more than you or anyone.
Reiterating stuff that you think I said or meant based on two people no one even mentioned.
Again, making up stuff; saying I just did a google search when I never said that.
A final sentence about something completely off topic from the off topic about yourself. This sounds like the definition of trolling.
If it makes you feel any better, I will say you sound exactly like a girl on facebook. That's because so far you have done nothing but bitch and have no argument and are trying to make the topic about you. Like seriously what the fuck?
You can't go around getting all butthurt about random shit, don't even reply if you aren't going to debate or bring anything useful to the conversation. You make it seem as if transpeople/yourself are so victimized. Well guess what, if you go around acting this way, especially to open minded people, you're only going to make things worse for yourself and people like you. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
I probably shouldn't even be engaging in this bullshit, but if you aren't a troll, then I am actually trying to help you if you can see that. Help me help you help yourself. You come off as angry and attacked for no reason. If something I said was offensive to you, you could easily ignore that bit and try and help me understand why that is wrong or offensive and educate me so as to prevent that in the future, right?
Anyway my goal with the most recent questions in my last post, (which ninazerg made my point about) is that obviously everyone can name some girl gamers, and even transwomen gamers, but who can name and transmen gamers? There is obviously something to that. Either biologically, or in the way they socialize or some other meta thing in their (lack of?) gaming habits.
Myself personally, have known and heard of quite a few girl gamers, and quite a few transwomen gamers in a number of different genres. And for the most part, the transwomen gamers seem to be better than the female gamers. This is obviously anecdotal, but I would wager that most people that have interacted with them have come to similar conclusions. It's not like I just made this up ahead of time, and then had a confirmation bias. I don't even care if it's true or not, it's just something I've noticed.
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I mean, you talk about how "mtf transgender brains are wired differently" in the first post, it's not a derailment for her to respond to that.
You make it seem as if transpeople/yourself are so victimized.
Is this even remotely in question? Trans people are the most discriminated against in the world, by a country mile.
I think neither of you is really understanding what the other is saying.
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How can facts be offensive? I mean I guess they can, but you can't be mad at me for them. Blame science, or god, or whatever.
http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/
My point with that line, is that your best bet to not be a victim, is to not act like one. Which she is doing.
Anyone have an older sibling? Remember when they would do something to bug you only because it would bug you and get a rise out of you?
And it depends on the culture or country for that. Even in some really anti gay places in the middle east etc, transwomen are accepted.
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offensive
1: "causing someone to feel resentful, upset, or annoyed."
facts can be very offensive i suppose, lots of bad shit happening in the world yo
normally people use the word offensive as a weapon against someone elses views though, its effective because it ironically tends to make people defensive.
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On December 19 2014 02:22 MarlieChurphy wrote:How can facts be offensive? I mean I guess they can, but you can't be mad at me for them. Blame science, or god, or whatever. http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/My point with that line, is that your best bet to not be a victim, is to not act like one. Which she is doing. Anyone have an older sibling? Remember when they would do something to bug you only because it would bug you and get a rise out of you? And it depends on the culture or country for that. Even in some really anti gay places in the middle east etc, transwomen are accepted.
Facts can obviously be offensive ("you're fat"), but in this context stating facts is fine. However some of your viewpoints are not facts, but just conclusions you've arrived at or hypotheses you're putting forward as fact.
I shouldn't have said "the most".
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