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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 22:19:50
October 15 2014 22:18 GMT
#1
Though many games of doto end with one team besting the other in a series of back and forth team fights and execution of strategies, many more end simply because one (or more) fellow decides that he has given up playing and decides to ruin his team's chances of winning.

Let T = number of trolls in a game

It's tough to estimate how many games belong in the former category and how many are in the latter. I suspect that for each n in 0->10, P(T=n) varies with regard to skill range, region, date, time, etc, quite a bit. I also would not assume that one player being a troll in a game is an independent event of other players being a troll in the game. Perhaps one day I'll scan dotabuff to see if I can estimate these correlations, but today I'm mostly focusing on how this troll factor affects each game. We'll be looking at games where T>0.

I suspect the vast majority of these games fall into T=1, but that the probability of a second troll increases dramatically once the first obvious game ruining comes out. Sometimes, a troll will be tricked into game ruining by an incorrect signal, such as a crystal maiden that is afk and gets caught out, but it otherwise still "in the game".

Reasons to troll a game could be because a number of factors that are likely not independent:
(a) you perceive it as a loss already and want it to end sooner
(b) you have a grudge against a teammate and wish to make them lose
(c) outside factors, such as internet problems causing you to d/c
(d) other factors

For cases where T>1, I hypothesize that (a) and (b) increases dramatically, but the chance of a d/c in a rather short time between the beginning of the troll to the end of the game decreases. In any case, it only takes one troll to ruin a game.

if you have a lower than average propensity for game ruining at your skill level, or if you have the additional skill of mitigating strife between teammates or focusing them on playing to win a game, even if it feels out of their control, then your perceived P(T>0) will be lower, regardless of the bracket you are in. If you tend to troll more than average, then P(T>0) will be higher, and P(T>1) will also be higher.

Additionally, by not trolling, you have a higher chance of there not being a troll on your team, where there might be one lurking on their team, giving you a better chance at winning, assuming there is at least one game ruining player in the game.

I guess the point here is that the best way to get rid of having to play with trolls in the game is simply to not be one. Another way is to address factors that contribute to trolls.

Anecdotally, I've found that it's more difficult to reduce trolling in partied matches rather than solo queue. I believe it's contributed by the fact that the friends I play with are more likely to troll than average, and also that it's less effective to use the same troll mitigation tactics more than once on the same player, so you have to be more creative.

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Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
October 15 2014 22:24 GMT
#2
I got a "troll mitigation tactic" for you. Get new friends.

God I hate being the +1 with a 4 stack of asshats that don't give a fuck.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
October 15 2014 22:52 GMT
#3
Your experience(s) and conclusion(s) have been exactly the same as mine, all the way down to the partied matches.
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
October 16 2014 02:51 GMT
#4
Reviewing my past paragraph, I probably should have mentioned that the feeling is likely mutual. People in groups act dumb.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 16 2014 08:23 GMT
#5
On October 16 2014 07:18 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Reasons to troll a game could be because a number of factors that are likely not independent:
(c) outside factors, such as internet problems causing you to d/c

Is this really trolling though?
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Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
October 16 2014 08:40 GMT
#6
On October 16 2014 17:23 ahswtini wrote:
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On October 16 2014 07:18 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Reasons to troll a game could be because a number of factors that are likely not independent:
(c) outside factors, such as internet problems causing you to d/c

Is this really trolling though?

Yeah I have no idea how OP came up with this definition of trolling
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
October 16 2014 21:11 GMT
#7
99% of games are ruined because there are random Peruvians, Russians or some other kind of foreign jajaja language that isn't English on US East, at least from my perspective. I've never played with a English speaking player that legit joined the game with the intention of trolling everyone and essentially throwing the game. I've met players that have attempted to go Riki jungle but immediately stopped when everyone on the team told them "no that's stupid" so ya, trolls not too many, random foreign people on English speaking servers a plenty.
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
October 18 2014 00:16 GMT
#8
There are no English servers dude. There are, like, three languages to choose between, and everyone in the world chooses English because that gets you the fastest queue. Additionally, most people in the world don't actually speak English, Chinese or Russian as a first language. These players will choose this setting based on how to get fastest games. English.

De facto all the servers are international. There's nothing to do about this. You can only accept.
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
October 21 2014 03:30 GMT
#9
There is only one thing you can do. Try even harder to win so that the "troll" will want to win because he sees others are winning for him. You see, trolls only decide to throw the game when they feel they are already losing and want to end the game more quickly or spite someone due to their method of communication or words said. Don't let them know how you feel. Just feel through dota. Feel through your skills.
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