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Top16 Foreigner Ranking, Sep 2014

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 21 2014 22:20 GMT
#1
Welcome to the monthly Top 16 Western Foreigner Ranking (excluding china, taiwan).
As always, i won't comment on my personal rankings ("Me"), it's opinion based.
Please read, comment, vote and spread the word!



___________________________________________



The math:

aligulac gives every player points for his wins or losses and ranks them. It is widely known and accepted to be of value.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

WCS points are given away at every important tournament. To many people, they are what matters in the end.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

My subjective ranking is still a factor.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

The maximum reachable points is 3000 for first place in all 3 rankings [of all the available competitors] (1000+1000+1000). rank 10 in all 3 rankings would give you 2100 points (700+700+700). The lower the ranks get, the smaller the point differences between them become.


__________________________________________



The Ranking, Polls:



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1 +1 --- 2920 ---- no Snute
aligulac: 3 | WCS: 1 | Me: 1
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Poll: the rank is...

OK (20)
 
77%

too high (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK


_____________________________________
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2 -1 --- 2880 ---- ca Scarlett
aligulac: 1 | WCS: 3 | Me: 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (11)
 
46%

OK (10)
 
42%

too low (3)
 
13%

24 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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3 o --- 2800 ---- dk Bunny
aligulac: 2 | WCS: 2 | Me: 3
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (7)
 
41%

too high (5)
 
29%

too low (5)
 
29%

17 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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4 +4 --- 2510 ---- ru Happy
aligulac: 4 | WCS: 8 | Me: 4
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (12)
 
55%

too high (10)
 
45%

too low (0)
 
0%

22 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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5 -1 --- 2440 ---- es VortiX
aligulac: 6 | WCS: 5 | Me: 6
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Poll: the rank is...

too high (10)
 
67%

OK (5)
 
33%

too low (0)
 
0%

15 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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6 -1 --- 2230 ---- mx MajOr
aligulac: 7 | WCS: 11 | Me: 7
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Poll: the rank is...

too low (8)
 
44%

too high (7)
 
39%

OK (3)
 
17%

18 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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7 +3 -- 2175 ---- ca HuK
aligulac: 17 | WCS: 7 | Me: 5
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too low (12)
 
63%

OK (4)
 
21%

too high (3)
 
16%

19 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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8 -1 --- 2155 ---- fr Dayshi
aligulac: 8 | WCS: 12 | Me: 9
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (6)
 
38%

too high (5)
 
31%

too low (5)
 
31%

16 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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9 -3 --- 2080 ---- fi Welmu
aligulac: 19 | WCS: 4 | Me: 11
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (9)
 
69%

OK (3)
 
23%

too low (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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9 +2 -- 2080 ---- de TLO
aligulac: 21 | WCS: 5 | Me: 8
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (11)
 
58%

OK (5)
 
26%

too low (3)
 
16%

19 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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11 -2 --- 1940 ---- pl Nerchio
aligulac: 10 | WCS: 13 | Me: 15
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (7)
 
64%

OK (4)
 
36%

too low (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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12 o -- 1905 ---- pl MaNa
aligulac: 22 | WCS: 9 | Me: 10
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too low (9)
 
64%

OK (3)
 
21%

too high (2)
 
14%

14 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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13 +6 -- 1805 ---- fr Lilbow
aligulac: 6 | WCS: 42 | Me: 12
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (5)
 
38%

too high (4)
 
31%

too low (4)
 
31%

13 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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14 +4 -- 1750 ---- no TargA
aligulac: 9 | WCS: 33 | Me: 13
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (6)
 
67%

too low (3)
 
33%

too high (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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15 +2 -- 1640 ---- nz Petraeus
aligulac: 12 | WCS: 21 | Me: 21
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (5)
 
33%

OK (5)
 
33%

too low (5)
 
33%

15 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low


_____________________________________
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16 -1 -- 1550 ---- nl Grubby
aligulac: 33 | WCS: 16 | Me: 16
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

too high (9)
 
60%

OK (4)
 
27%

too low (2)
 
13%

15 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): too low





Rank 17-32

+ Show Spoiler +


RANK - PLAYER - (aligulac/WCS/me) - POINTS

17 - puCk --- (35/10/26) --- 1515
18 - ShoWTimE --- (13/26/27) --- 1510
19 - Starbuck --- (16/25/24) --- 1490
20 - Harstem --- (32/17/20) --- 1450
21 - MaSa --- (14/28/33) --- 1425
22 - HeRoMaRinE --- (11/50+/28) --- 1415
23 - Kane --- (24/47/14) --- 1395
24 - iaguz --- (20/40/18) --- 1390
25 - Kas --- (23/35/22) --- 1325
25 - MarineLorD --- (25/50+/17) --- 1325
27 - uThermaL --- (18/29/36) --- 1320
28 - qxc --- (45/15/35) --- 1300
29 - Bly --- (26/34/25) --- 1270
29 - LiveZerg --- (37/18/37) --- 1270
31 - Miniraser --- (49/22/23) --- 1265
31 - DeMusliM --- (50+/27/19) --- 1265




How would a tournament (Top16) look?


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------------- Thanks for reading! --------------
DiaBoLuS





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WatchOutNow
Profile Joined July 2012
48 Posts
September 21 2014 22:36 GMT
#2
i would watch this tournament over blizzcon
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 21 2014 23:01 GMT
#3
Outside of the top 3, it feels like almost everyone is ranked too highly, but then you realize that they're the best we got. It would make more sense if we included chinese and taiwanese I think.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 23:06:13
September 21 2014 23:04 GMT
#4
On September 22 2014 08:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Outside of the top 3, it feels like almost everyone is ranked too highly, but then you realize that they're the best we got. It would make more sense if we included chinese and taiwanese I think.


Pretty much this.
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Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
September 21 2014 23:05 GMT
#5
Still no Neeb who was in ro16 with a bunch of koreans rofl
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 21 2014 23:17 GMT
#6
Something's wrong with the points system. Snute is 3rd, 1st, 1st and 1st is 1000 points so 3rd must be 920. Scarlett has a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 1920 points are accounted for with the 1st and 3rd so 2nd must be the remaining 960 points.

However, if this is true, Bunny should have 2840 points not 2800?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 23:24:59
September 21 2014 23:19 GMT
#7
On September 22 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Outside of the top 3, it feels like almost everyone is ranked too highly, but then you realize that they're the best we got. It would make more sense if we included chinese and taiwanese I think.


Pretty much this.


Ya I caught myself voting "too high" for everyone except Huk (okay), Major (okay) and Petraeus (too low)

On September 22 2014 08:17 The_Templar wrote:
Something's wrong with the points system. Snute is 3rd, 1st, 1st and 1st is 1000 points so 3rd must be 920. Scarlett has a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 1920 points are accounted for with the 1st and 3rd so 2nd must be the remaining 960 points.

However, if this is true, Bunny should have 2840 points not 2800?


Templar really showing off that university education right now. But seriously, you're correct. OP might want to do some recalculations.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 23:34:13
September 21 2014 23:28 GMT
#8
On September 22 2014 08:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Outside of the top 3, it feels like almost everyone is ranked too highly, but then you realize that they're the best we got. It would make more sense if we included chinese and taiwanese I think.


Pretty much this.


Ya I caught myself voting "too high" for everyone except Huk (okay), Major (okay) and Petraeus (too low)

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:17 The_Templar wrote:
Something's wrong with the points system. Snute is 3rd, 1st, 1st and 1st is 1000 points so 3rd must be 920. Scarlett has a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 1920 points are accounted for with the 1st and 3rd so 2nd must be the remaining 960 points.

However, if this is true, Bunny should have 2840 points not 2800?


Templar really showing off that university education right now. But seriously, you're correct. OP might want to do some recalculations.

Looks like Dayshi should be 20 points lower too. Also might want to double-check TargA
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 22 2014 01:14 GMT
#9
#weneedneeb
User was warned for too many mimes.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 22 2014 01:18 GMT
#10
On September 22 2014 10:14 docvoc wrote:
#weneedneeb

He's 77th among foreigners on aligulac which is the main reason he's not on this list I think?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 22 2014 01:21 GMT
#11
On September 22 2014 10:18 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 10:14 docvoc wrote:
#weneedneeb

He's 77th among foreigners on aligulac which is the main reason he's not on this list I think?


I'm suprised that Ourk at #6 wasn't enough to get him on in the top 16
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 01:38:50
September 22 2014 01:38 GMT
#12
On September 22 2014 10:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 10:18 The_Templar wrote:
On September 22 2014 10:14 docvoc wrote:
#weneedneeb

He's 77th among foreigners on aligulac which is the main reason he's not on this list I think?


I'm suprised that Ourk at #6 wasn't enough to get him on in the top 16

One #6 by itself is 840 points. More importantly, he has no WCS points (hence no points from this category), and presumably the OP did not put him even in the top 50 in his personal ranking, so that can't be much either.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 22 2014 01:44 GMT
#13
Pretty solid ranking. For the most part I agree, I just think Chinese/Taiwanese players should be included
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 22 2014 02:39 GMT
#14
Sen/Jim not being on this list is strange.

Otherwise pretty good list. Fairly accurate.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 22 2014 05:58 GMT
#15
Overall agree with the rankings. And must it be repeated each time that the guy who posts this excludes non-Western foreigners from the rankings because he doesn't know enough about their scene, and couldn't give an accurate estimate?
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
September 22 2014 08:44 GMT
#16
Please include chinese and taiwaneese players, it will be much more interesting althought much harder to rank. For me Huk is too low, also I would switch TLO and Mana, which I dont understand. Otherwise its pretty much ok.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
September 22 2014 09:01 GMT
#17
I feel like Bunny would wreck Scarlett 9 out of 10 times.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 22 2014 13:26 GMT
#18
On September 22 2014 18:01 ejozl wrote:
I feel like Bunny would wreck Scarlett 9 out of 10 times.


With her recent struggles against Terran I'm inclined to agree. Maybe not 9/10 times but he would win a series if they ever played one.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 22 2014 18:56 GMT
#19
On September 22 2014 08:17 The_Templar wrote:
Something's wrong with the points system. Snute is 3rd, 1st, 1st and 1st is 1000 points so 3rd must be 920. Scarlett has a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 1920 points are accounted for with the 1st and 3rd so 2nd must be the remaining 960 points.

However, if this is true, Bunny should have 2840 points not 2800?


true. sometimes there is just too many numbers :O


thanks for the feedback guys!
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