• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:04
CEST 17:04
KST 00:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1542 users

Editorialising for LiquidDota - TI4 Awards Edition

Blogs > TanGeng
Post a Reply
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 10 2014 23:10 GMT
#1
Writing for Liquid is a process and in the end we publish what we have. So if you want to know about some of the editorial decisions and review of the Awards, I've laid out my thoughts below.

Awards were voted on by various members of the writing staff but each one required a blurb. For whatever reason there weren't many nominations for community/fun awards this year. Instead there were all game play ones and we flamed people in the fun awards.

More Serious Awards
1. Suprising Team
Why not LGD? Nearly everyone thought this team was middle of the pack so a top 8 finish was not surprising. They took down iG but see below why we had some doubts about iG.

2. Disappointment
Why Alliance? It looked like Alliance turned the corner prior to TI4, but team cohesion broke down and Alliance didn't look like a unified team for parts of the group stage.
Why DK? Multiple staff members are DK fans and felt the fourth place was far lower than their early half showed. In addition, the wildly erratic drafts instead of lineups with clear game plans unlike fellow Chinese teams factor into the disappointment.
Why not iG? We place the team as number 1 but there was enough question marks for the team especially in drafting and playing from behind.
Why not Empire? Empire looked lost on 6.81. The general consensus was that Empire dropped from a title contender 2 months ago. 13th was not a disappointment of expectations.

3. Best Gameplay
Why EG vs DK? This game had boring periods of farm, but the split push was DK's weird game plan and EG wanted to gank DK but they benefited from delaying the game too. Both of these two teams execute well. It's not the most exciting game because the teams dodged each other for minutes.
Why not C9 vs VG? Poor decision-making marked the middle of the game, and the game was never really close. (The power of late game Meepo is under-appreciated. Two months ago dota2://matchid=704062917 is close to even game where outcome is in doubt. We also saw C9 Meepo go toe-to-toe with late game Naga Siren.) C9 had a solid control of this game as soon as Meepo came out of the laning phase unharmed.

4. Most Entertaining
Why DK vs LGD? This has a lot to do with the draft and DK's struggle to overcome it. Most deathball lineups have a high ground pushing mechanism. This DK lineup did not. Most splitpush lineups have two lategame tower demolition heroes. This DK lineup did not. Without any lategame in comparison to LGD, the only avenue of victory is to try to snowball, and DK tried hard and almost won LGD, for the most part, smartly dodged fights. They derped in not going for the last lane of barracks when it was there for the taking, and the iceiceice item buying spree was also quite funny. The comeback from 25k was fast and swift.
Why not C9 vs VG? Mostly because we didn't write it up as a runner up. This one had its share of funny decisions. BH roaming for courier kills. VG blowing lots of cooldowns on a Meepo kill and then take a huge risk at the Roshan Pit. Meepo mis-micro for a death in the middle and giving a fight to VG. C9 giving up a barracks for free. The cog suicide at the fountain at the other end. The game however was never in doubt. (See SingSing's 60 second level 22 death time timer after a buyback and Aui breaking out the Refresher Doom in the penultimate fight.)
That and I absolutely hate C9. C9 is a talent group of individual players with some highly creative ideas. I've flame them for not being able to put it all together once they reach a winning position. If you look at their games, they often allow games to stretch beyond reasonable lengths.(C9 vs iG groups stages is a prime example.) C9 games get hard to watch and C9 isn't kind to its fans.

Joke Awards
Writing style here is quite over the top.

1. Million-dollar Coil
In plays get hype up the game and last year's "million-dollar" coil was one of these widely exaggerated plays. This is more of a commentary of our collective rosy memory and myths of yesteryears. For this year's award winner, Luminous was already diffusing the significance and the skill of the play by calling out Mu for mismanaging mana seconds after the play was over.
Good job, Lumi!

2. Luo Level Lineup
Why "Luo Level Lineup?" Because Luo had all these next level drafts for his team where no-one could understand how to play it. This was supposed to more of a double-edge idea where it can look genius if it works out or extremely hard to play if it doesn't. It ended up being much more of a negative thing. Oops.

3. Flame of the West, kinda
Yeah. So no Western teams eliminated any Chinese teams. Liquid had the distinction of beating a dysfunctional one in the play-ins. And we love showing love to Liquid here, even ironically.

4. EternaLEnVy
Sorry EE for the name of this award.
KingJ, Zhou Yang, has a pretty sad story this year since NewBee screwed him out of playing at The International by kicking him when teams for the qualifiers were being announced. In his Weibo write up of all the Chinese teams, he actually dedicated a disproportionately large paragraphs to how to play NewBee in a bit of justified anger.
We're the bad guys being mean, here. You should laugh at our write up, but actually feel some sympathy for this guy.

5. Trixi Skadi
So, last year Trixi ended up playing a #1 NP and went Skadi instead of damage effectively giving away a game. This year, for this award we went after the obvious "surrender" midas by Arteezy that had an easy punchline.
On a more serious note, if you're going to build a "surrender" item, might as well GG, and in my opinion, Iceiceice deserves the winner, the runner-up, and any honorable mentions in an actual dubious item award.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 01:39:22
August 11 2014 01:38 GMT
#2
The EE award was horrendously misplaced, KingJ is at best 3rd place on the rankings since the only team he got kicked from last year was Newbee. Compare this to say, ZSMJ, who was not only kicked more recently from Newbee, but was also kicked 10 months ago from VG, the second place team at TI4.

As for most of the other issues I blame democracy
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 11 2014 01:41 GMT
#3
I thought the national socialist party was mostly run by dictators?
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 01:43:29
August 11 2014 01:43 GMT
#4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

Democracy
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 11 2014 02:19 GMT
#5
A ZSMJ write up would have been boring.
KingJ write up draws attention to someone who didn't get chance to compete at all in Ti4 qualifiers. With joke awards it's much less deserving rather than being funny and making a point at the same time.

Democracy isn't a problem at all. Overriding the vote was easy, as long as you could provide a compelling write up.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 11 2014 04:03 GMT
#6
Yey staff fight!!
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 11 2014 06:34 GMT
#7
the staff writers already know what i think: down with DK fans and linsanity
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
August 11 2014 09:42 GMT
#8
I don't care so much about the awards so didn't comment before, but since there's been a lot of talk about the c9 vs VG game I thought I'd talk about some things you said.

TanGeng wrote:
This one had its share of funny decisions. BH roaming for courier kills. VG blowing lots of cooldowns on a Meepo kill and then take a huge risk at the Roshan Pit. Meepo mis-micro for a death in the middle and giving a fight to VG. C9 giving up a barracks for free. The cog suicide at the fountain at the other end. The game however was never in doubt. (See SingSing's 60 second level 22 death time timer after a buyback and Aui breaking out the Refresher Doom in the penultimate fight.)


From my perspective the entire game for c9 went around finding the right time to fight. They clearly didn't want to fight when it was on VG's terms when VG had all the ultimates up and BKBs off cool down. I don't think BH was only "roaming for courier kills" (did he even kill a single courier in that game?), but his wards, general vision and the time VG had to commit to hunt him down was important in allowing Doom and Meepo for example to farm safely and apply pressure to lanes. The fighting aspect is visible in how c9 takes a fight at the rosh pit, loses it, immediately smokes after it when ults are on cooldown and wipes VG at their t2. Even after that c9 seemed to only want to fight when some BKB's or ults had been wasted (using for example Meepo buybacks to immediately continue the fight and prevent VG from getting free towers).

When VG came for the rax, Luna still had her Aegis and VG was set up with Luna and DP at the front. When c9 finally engaged, the Aegis had just expired and the Exorcism duration had already been largely used. Yes, c9 had great fighting power with the Refresher Doom (with EE playing it, not Aui) and Meepo, but they may have felt that it's a risk to drop your ults onto an Aegis Luna when you might as well let the rax go and wipe them straight after.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 11 2014 09:57 GMT
#9
I can't tell who's staff and who's community!!!11
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 11 2014 09:58 GMT
#10
The nazis are the ones you can't report
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 11 2014 10:42 GMT
#11
aside from getting the c9 carry wrong (lol) i still see no explanation for snubbing fy entirely
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 11 2014 10:55 GMT
#12
On August 11 2014 18:42 spudde123 wrote:
When VG came for the rax, Luna still had her Aegis and VG was set up with Luna and DP at the front. When c9 finally engaged, the Aegis had just expired and the Exorcism duration had already been largely used. Yes, c9 had great fighting power with the Refresher Doom (with EE playing it, not Aui) and Meepo, but they may have felt that it's a risk to drop your ults onto an Aegis Luna when you might as well let the rax go and wipe them straight after.


Aegis disappeared on the tower.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-11 11:21:31
August 11 2014 11:04 GMT
#13
On August 11 2014 19:55 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 18:42 spudde123 wrote:
When VG came for the rax, Luna still had her Aegis and VG was set up with Luna and DP at the front. When c9 finally engaged, the Aegis had just expired and the Exorcism duration had already been largely used. Yes, c9 had great fighting power with the Refresher Doom (with EE playing it, not Aui) and Meepo, but they may have felt that it's a risk to drop your ults onto an Aegis Luna when you might as well let the rax go and wipe them straight after.


Aegis disappeared on the tower.


Yes, but at that point c9 wasn't in position to defend yet. Some of their players were only tping back or setting up a flank for the fight. They had probably decided that they don't want to fight into the Aegis, and after the Aegis was gone they were not yet in position and the rax was dropping down really fast to Luna+DP so the window to capitalize and stop the raxing after the Aegis is gone is only a few seconds anyway.

And does the rax even matter so much that it has to be pointed out as a "mistake"? Hard to say what exactly was the thought process of c9 or if there were risks that they thought about if they engaged before the rax went down, but they wanted a good engagement and they got it, which put them in a position to end the game. Maybe letting it go wasn't necessary, but how things turned out wasn't bad either.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 11 2014 11:56 GMT
#14
On August 11 2014 20:04 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 19:55 TanGeng wrote:
On August 11 2014 18:42 spudde123 wrote:
When VG came for the rax, Luna still had her Aegis and VG was set up with Luna and DP at the front. When c9 finally engaged, the Aegis had just expired and the Exorcism duration had already been largely used. Yes, c9 had great fighting power with the Refresher Doom (with EE playing it, not Aui) and Meepo, but they may have felt that it's a risk to drop your ults onto an Aegis Luna when you might as well let the rax go and wipe them straight after.


Aegis disappeared on the tower.


Yes, but at that point c9 wasn't in position to defend yet. Some of their players were only tping back or setting up a flank for the fight. They had probably decided that they don't want to fight into the Aegis, and after the Aegis was gone they were not yet in position and the rax was dropping down really fast to Luna+DP so the window to capitalize and stop the raxing after the Aegis is gone is only a few seconds anyway.

And does the rax even matter so much that it has to be pointed out as a "mistake"? Hard to say what exactly was the thought process of c9 or if there were risks that they thought about if they engaged before the rax went down, but they wanted a good engagement and they got it, which put them in a position to end the game. Maybe letting it go wasn't necessary, but how things turned out wasn't bad either.


It's not so much a mistake as the game was not in doubt. For the win, Keep a barracks doesn't matter, Lose a barracks doesn't matter. C9 is solidly ahead.

It's just not a necessary play. The only one pushing lanes for C9 that wasn't back was some support guy. Everyone else was in position.

Seriously if SingSing died 3 times in a row and C9 lost/almost lost because of that barracks giveaway, I'd voted it the most entertaining game, no questions. LOL.

Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
August 11 2014 12:37 GMT
#15
On August 11 2014 20:56 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2014 20:04 spudde123 wrote:
On August 11 2014 19:55 TanGeng wrote:
On August 11 2014 18:42 spudde123 wrote:
When VG came for the rax, Luna still had her Aegis and VG was set up with Luna and DP at the front. When c9 finally engaged, the Aegis had just expired and the Exorcism duration had already been largely used. Yes, c9 had great fighting power with the Refresher Doom (with EE playing it, not Aui) and Meepo, but they may have felt that it's a risk to drop your ults onto an Aegis Luna when you might as well let the rax go and wipe them straight after.


Aegis disappeared on the tower.


Yes, but at that point c9 wasn't in position to defend yet. Some of their players were only tping back or setting up a flank for the fight. They had probably decided that they don't want to fight into the Aegis, and after the Aegis was gone they were not yet in position and the rax was dropping down really fast to Luna+DP so the window to capitalize and stop the raxing after the Aegis is gone is only a few seconds anyway.

And does the rax even matter so much that it has to be pointed out as a "mistake"? Hard to say what exactly was the thought process of c9 or if there were risks that they thought about if they engaged before the rax went down, but they wanted a good engagement and they got it, which put them in a position to end the game. Maybe letting it go wasn't necessary, but how things turned out wasn't bad either.


It's not so much a mistake as the game was not in doubt. For the win, Keep a barracks doesn't matter, Lose a barracks doesn't matter. C9 is solidly ahead.

It's just not a necessary play. The only one pushing lanes for C9 that wasn't back was some support guy. Everyone else was in position.

Seriously if SingSing died 3 times in a row and C9 lost/almost lost because of that barracks giveaway, I'd voted it the most entertaining game, no questions. LOL.



Well yea I was not really advocating for it to be "the most entertaining game", I was just talking about what you said to people about the game, "funny decisions" and such.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 114
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7353
GuemChi 4409
EffOrt 1399
Mini 918
BeSt 496
ggaemo 345
firebathero 202
Light 160
Sharp 128
Sexy 116
[ Show more ]
Zeus 100
Barracks 73
Hyun 66
Sea.KH 59
Killer 53
ToSsGirL 49
Pusan 45
Backho 45
PianO 40
soO 28
zelot 23
Hm[arnc] 23
IntoTheRainbow 22
Movie 21
Rock 20
Terrorterran 17
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5356
qojqva1544
syndereN370
monkeys_forever150
420jenkins139
Counter-Strike
olofmeister556
allub359
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King171
Other Games
singsing2013
B2W.Neo1100
hiko1018
Liquid`RaSZi828
Happy358
Hui .231
elazer107
ArmadaUGS100
Livibee61
Trikslyr19
Liquid`VortiX4
Beastyqt1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 1217
Other Games
WardiTV849
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream43
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 23
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2229
• TFBlade1461
• Jankos891
Other Games
• WagamamaTV381
• Shiphtur152
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
56m
Replay Cast
8h 56m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 56m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 56m
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
19h 56m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
1d 18h
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
2 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.