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Switching to Protoss from Terran (Again)

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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
June 29 2014 07:46 GMT
#1
After having failed my first attempt at officially switching to protoss and becoming good at it, I have decided to try this again, although I plan on not failing this time. Since my switch back to terran I have been consistently top GM on NA server and have done fairly well at local LANs (1st/2nd at a few etc) but I feel that I can not improve much further as terran due to its racial limitations (inferior late game, squishier compositions, heavy reliance on scouting, and dying to a bunch of random other stuff, etc) so I have decided to try the switch to protoss again. I am not going to put a time table on this but I am hoping to regularly update those who are interested via blogs or at the very least twitter. I am also planning on streaming at least some of this. These are going to have a similar layout to the previous blog posts.

Strategy:
PvT:
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Due to my lack of having played terrans on NA ladder much so far, I am not sure how to gauge my success in this match up. The few games I have played were either won by me holding some type of SCV pull or me losing because I over extend before having a lot of late game infrastructure. The builds I used last time I switched have become obsolete due to the mine changes so I have adapted my style according to what I struggled against as terran. I have a few different openers that I do in the match up, but in general it goes something like this:
Fast Nexus (usually 1 gas zealot msc expand)
Some type of harassment (oracles, blink, dts) (optional, I randomly mix in harassment options based on my opponent and how I am feeling)
Robotics facility
Robotics Bay
Twilight council
After a few collosus, a third nexus
Add double forge and tech to templar with constant collosus production after securing third base
Then I kind of just sit there and build up late game infrastructure (gateways, cannons, templar, more bases, etc)
Then once I feel comfortable that I can't possible take any damage from counterattacks or lose to a potential base trade, I move out and try to kill the terran (or at least try to deny basses, but honestly they usually die to an a-move with a few storms)

PvP:
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I have played quite a bit of this match up, it really is gimmicky. Most stable style I have found that consistently survives NA protoss all ins and goes to late game (which I am actually not the bad at due to my terran mutltitasking/mechanics):
13 gateway
Double gas on 15
17 pylon
17 cybernetics core
Zealot while cybernetics core is building
Immediate stalker + msc
Constant sentry production with nexus
Robotics facility when I can afford it
So far this seems relatively safe (survives 10 gate 3 gate and almost all other 1 base all ins without a probe scout), although it seems weak against economic stargate openings. I usually do a chargelot/archon/immortal follow up into tempests (skytoss overall). I have found it to be really strong with good hallucination scouting from the early sentries.

PvZ:
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Well this match up is actuall really simple, I felt like I was over complicating it before by going mass void ray. Now I do something like:
Gateway expand (with zealot and msc)
I randomly mix in some 2 base timings here to makes sure zergs fear me (and hopefully do not drone to much versus my passive macro play)
Always a fast collosus follow up, constantly scouting zerg composition/tech with hallucinations
Then I play aggressively and take more bases after I feel like I have adequately adapted to the zerg composition, I also am really annoying and send zealots everywhere.
Eventually the zerg dies over time (hopefully)
Swarm hosts have the potential to be very annoying, they make it take longer for me to win.

I will be doing this on my main account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3310952/1/intense/
Follow me on twitter @intenseSC for regular updates. Hopefully I will start streaming this tomorrow at http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc
Hopefully I do not fail too hard this time, I am going to try and qualify for this next season of WCS AM as protoss.

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Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
June 29 2014 14:20 GMT
#2
Time to test the theory again, switch to Protoss win a wcs.
Pro tip: make sure you get matched against teammates.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Harajuku
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
150 Posts
June 29 2014 14:25 GMT
#3
oh intense
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
June 29 2014 15:30 GMT
#4
Have fun owning terrans
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
June 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#5
Protoss is much more limited then terran. And we dont need more protosses. I hope you will switch back soon
PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 09:59:27
June 30 2014 09:57 GMT
#6
Why Protoss, and not Zerg? Is it the mirror matchup? Isn't ZvP one of the shittiest matchups in the game right now, regardless of which side you're on? Does the smug sense of superiority from being a novelty American Terran not overcome the despair of TvZP gameplay? Do you really want to become one of them???

- are you related to Blade55555 by chance?
"There should be no tying a sharp, hard object to your cock like it has a mechanical arm and hitting it with the object or using your cockring to crack the egg. No cyborg penises allowed. 100% flesh only." - semioldguy
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3352 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 11:35:33
June 30 2014 11:30 GMT
#7
On June 30 2014 18:57 PineapplePizza wrote:
Why Protoss, and not Zerg? Is it the mirror matchup? Isn't ZvP one of the shittiest matchups in the game right now, regardless of which side you're on? Does the smug sense of superiority from being a novelty American Terran not overcome the despair of TvZP gameplay? Do you really want to become one of them???

- are you related to Blade55555 by chance?


ZvP isn't THAT bad as opposed to either PvP and ZvZ

edit: good luck OP, hope you won't get bored with P.
Horang2 fan
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 11:37:31
June 30 2014 11:37 GMT
#8
On June 30 2014 18:57 PineapplePizza wrote:
Why Protoss, and not Zerg? Is it the mirror matchup? Isn't ZvP one of the shittiest matchups in the game right now, regardless of which side you're on? Does the smug sense of superiority from being a novelty American Terran not overcome the despair of TvZP gameplay? Do you really want to become one of them???

- are you related to Blade55555 by chance?


Wait why would you bring my name into this!? I never made blogs or posts saying I was going to switch to P xD.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Haulvern
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United Kingdom72 Posts
June 30 2014 14:39 GMT
#9
Without Blade55555's guides I would have switched to protoss long ago
Stand up for what you believe in even if it means standing alone
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
June 30 2014 21:13 GMT
#10
That's a shame Intense. You are an amazing Terran player. Have fun with the Dark Side.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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