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Abandon All Hope: Adventures in MMR Hell pt. 1 - Page 2

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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
June 13 2014 10:49 GMT
#21
On June 13 2014 18:50 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 17:42 Velr wrote:
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I'm over 1000 MMR above you and can assure you, it does not look much better... That draft isn't even horrible (what you lacked is an offlane, not a Carry.. BS/Necrolyte fill that role).
Oh... And Trilaning at your MMR most likely will hurt you more than it will help you...


Safelane necro, mid blood, with lina-wd-omni offensive trilane. Not a terrible draft imho

Should get a lot off kill in offlane with the guaranteed lina stun


Have you ever played with ~2500 MMR People?
Just dual lane this and it should be allright.

Playing with people at ~2500 MMR often feels as if everyone has 300 MS+ "inbuilt" lag. Many things they do is just laaaate (and therefore often not happening at all). Sheever ravages are not something worth mentioning, they happen at least once per game...
Losing a 3v2 lane is also actually something that tends to be nothing special there... Especially when such "unfair" heroes like Silencer are in the opponents Dual lane... (seriously...)

Or some other example:
Luna gets 4-0 in the first 10 minutes... After 46 minutes she has: Hotd/BKB/Treads... Thats all.


I'm myself for sure not a great Player... But in the last 3 games that i played 5on5 Ranked AP/RD with my "scrub" friends i went a combined 50-10-33 (9 of these 10 deaths came from one game, where i went 25-9-18 after being 0-5 or something like that).
Rissa
Profile Joined June 2014
United States2 Posts
June 13 2014 13:56 GMT
#22
This. This is why I - a dedicated support player - still haven't done my initial ranked matches. I am afraid either that I will be my team's "zatokar" or that I will be stuck trying to support one (and being blamed/reported for not being able to save them from themselves).
TANSTAAFL
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
June 13 2014 14:05 GMT
#23
This is what 5k looks like too man
High Risk Low Reward
Phrased
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia4 Posts
June 13 2014 14:52 GMT
#24
2.4k is not below average.. it is the average if not slightly above it. Don't let the retards on reddit let you think otherwise. Untill we found out there were less then a thousand players with +5k MMR most people assumed 4.5k was the average. It's not. I think its like 2.3k.
@NRxGG
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 17:21:22
June 13 2014 15:32 GMT
#25
well.. there is average and average.

Average of people that play a lot and actually put "some" effort in it should be over 2500 for sure..
Blek
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil38 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 15:52:28
June 13 2014 15:51 GMT
#26
What's the point of having a global average if we're going to filter it? People make mistakes in every level of Dota, even in pro matches. Dota players have really high standards of play, for the most part, but hey, it's no crime to be an average player who can only put in a couple matches a week and hasn't played half the hero roster. Such a player is still a Dota player, and one that likely has to deal with a lot of shit everyday.

Anyways, pretty good post, OP. I honestly can't bring myself to play ranked, and even less so solo ranked. I have over 500 matches and I have yet to find out either of my MMRs. People say you need thick skin to play Dota, and maybe that's true, but it's very annoying to deal with these kinds of players. I already had ladder anxiety back then when I played SC2, and I took a while to get past that one. It's just not a fun experience to play if, in the worst half of your games, you're going to get flamed by some weird dude who thinks it's okay to do so despite your best effort to win the game. Maybe someday, I don't know. I was waiting for vacations to finally just do it, but... I can't. Oh, well.
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 13 2014 17:22 GMT
#27
I enjoyed this blog. thanks
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
June 13 2014 18:00 GMT
#28
I'm pretty sure I won more than I lost with you Brindled. Something something about having anti-brindle effect cookies.
Jigsy
Profile Joined June 2011
21 Posts
June 13 2014 18:54 GMT
#29
Their ranked system is just shit. People don't give a shit at all. My 3,5k elo games look just like yours. People don't listen are noobish and i feel like the outcome of most of my games are determined by who has less idiots.

I just had a game where i won my lane 1v2 as offlane lc and we had a farmed ls that was then thrown because our bm and lich stole each others items and fed them back into the game.

People that work against their own team making it really hard to climb up the mmr ladder. I think that winning/losing streaks are the key to get drastic changes in the mmr.
Looking at me, I got an mmr of 3600 after the placement matches, worked myself up to 3700 then got a winnning streak up to 3900, stayed there for some time and then got a massive losing stream back to 3500 where im currently recovering from.

Since because of idiots you are guaranteed to win/lose 50% of your games anyway and the mmr only lets you get +-23-27 points anyway. And the individual skill between 3-4k differes only very little...
AbatedFir
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom1 Post
June 13 2014 19:55 GMT
#30
Solo queuing can be so hit or miss, even at 3200 MMR, although half the time I get uncooperative teammates we win anyway.

Best just create a "reking cru" of the good players you encounter and get a stack going, always good fun.
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
June 13 2014 20:04 GMT
#31
I enjoyed this blog.

I find the amount of flame doesn't change with MMR. The only time I saw a large increase in flaming is when I moved to Europe and had to play on EU West instead of Aus.
Road to 6sange
Krasnikof
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg2 Posts
June 13 2014 22:47 GMT
#32
its actually infuriating reading these posts and comments about how you all think that you are better than the people you play with and they are all dragging you down. Its a FACT that its statistically impossible for mmr hell to exist If you are a good player playing among 9 worse players then the chances a feeder will be on your team is 4/9 and the chances he is on the enemy team is 5/9 how can you not understand that? I love how the OP talks about how all the players he is matched with will stay bad because they dont realize they are bad and its funny because it seems OP doesnt realize how bad he is... Sure you say at the start that you a bad and stuff like that and you think it grants you immunity from criticism but the thing is you are worse than you think you are all the people you make fun of in your post... you are just as bad as them. Ive seen your play and I have no doubt that you are at an mmr you deserve just like the people you get matched with. Maybe the people that tell you that you are better in the inhouses say so because you actually play better in the inhouses maybe you have a more positive attitude there since its obvious you have a terrible attitude towards pubs. or maybe they were just trying to be nice whatever the case and whatever the reason your play in pubs is bad and you deserve a bad mmr.
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 23:16:50
June 13 2014 23:16 GMT
#33
On June 14 2014 03:00 pahndah wrote:
I'm pretty sure I won more than I lost with you Brindled. Something something about having anti-brindle effect cookies.

THE ANTI BRINDLED EFFECT COOKIES! So thankful of you and bluegarfield of reminding me of those. Now they may play a part in part 2...

On June 14 2014 07:47 Krasnikof wrote:
its actually infuriating reading these posts and comments about how you all think that you are better than the people you play with and they are all dragging you down. Its a FACT that its statistically impossible for mmr hell to exist If you are a good player playing among 9 worse players then the chances a feeder will be on your team is 4/9 and the chances he is on the enemy team is 5/9 how can you not understand that? I love how the OP talks about how all the players he is matched with will stay bad because they dont realize they are bad and its funny because it seems OP doesnt realize how bad he is... Sure you say at the start that you a bad and stuff like that and you think it grants you immunity from criticism but the thing is you are worse than you think you are all the people you make fun of in your post... you are just as bad as them. Ive seen your play and I have no doubt that you are at an mmr you deserve just like the people you get matched with. Maybe the people that tell you that you are better in the inhouses say so because you actually play better in the inhouses maybe you have a more positive attitude there since its obvious you have a terrible attitude towards pubs. or maybe they were just trying to be nice whatever the case and whatever the reason your play in pubs is bad and you deserve a bad mmr.

I'm sorry it makes you feel that way. Perhaps you would be best served reading something else.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
Krasnikof
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg2 Posts
June 14 2014 00:18 GMT
#34
I'm sorry it makes you feel that way. Perhaps you would be best served reading something else.


Yes you are right. It would probably be best for you to learn the game instead of pretending to know the game as well.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 14 2014 01:08 GMT
#35
My first 20 games were 5 wins and 15 losses. Back when we used the IXDL client, I was literally THE WORST player, stats-wise, in our whole inhouse league.


so its you who was below me
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-14 01:50:40
June 14 2014 01:21 GMT
#36
On June 14 2014 10:08 Targe wrote:
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My first 20 games were 5 wins and 15 losses. Back when we used the IXDL client, I was literally THE WORST player, stats-wise, in our whole inhouse league.


so its you who was below me


Yessir. Nice to meet you.

On June 14 2014 09:18 Krasnikof wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm sorry it makes you feel that way. Perhaps you would be best served reading something else.


Yes you are right. It would probably be best for you to learn the game instead of pretending to know the game as well.


You wound me sir
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
RookerS
Profile Joined May 2013
Ivory Coast75 Posts
June 14 2014 04:37 GMT
#37
sven needs more cleave imo aswell
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
June 15 2014 11:06 GMT
#38
On June 14 2014 09:18 Krasnikof wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm sorry it makes you feel that way. Perhaps you would be best served reading something else.


Yes you are right. It would probably be best for you to learn the game instead of pretending to know the game as well.

Lol I love it when these people decide it's a good idea to come in and pick fights. What if you are good at offlane and support? At trench level, you NEVER get to solo offlane, and if you support, you most likely have to do it solo because of the mid/carry/pudge/bloodcyka fetish that everyone has. Good luck having lots of game impact while having fun then!

Anyways I loved reading this blog since I just had 3 straight games where my whole team was filled with Zatokars. All I want is to reach the promised land where I can be given solo offlane in peace, or support people who can actually farm 4 items when given 40 minutes of free farm.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
June 17 2014 00:40 GMT
#39
On June 14 2014 09:18 Krasnikof wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm sorry it makes you feel that way. Perhaps you would be best served reading something else.


Yes you are right. It would probably be best for you to learn the game instead of pretending to know the game as well.

Nice of you to share your thoughts. Dont let the door hit you on the way out if you continue posting in that manner.

Brindle I can feel your pain lol. Retards are everywhere, the hard thing is finding retards that actually does their best to listen and improve instead of feeling their way is the best way.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 17 2014 08:01 GMT
#40
It was a pleasure to read. I was thinking to create a similar blog but this piece of art would outshine it hard.

I'll not bother to give "advice" or criticize what you wrote there like others because this is not the case here.

If you'd like to extend the topic by sharing a few games with me, it'd be great. You have a talent in writing.
Even with that Japanese philosophy should bring you to 3K imho
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