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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 04:15:44
March 16 2014 04:11 GMT
#1
Hey guys, this has been bugging me ever since I looked on r/Starcraft today. I'm just going to prelude this with the fact that I am a Protoss player and I wrote the guide on Macro blink for TL Strat, so take that how you will.

This community is hurting Starcraft 2. I'm just going to put that fact out there. Remember when Starcraft 2 was a game that everyone was able to enjoy without a bunch of reddit posts about how one race was imbalanced? That is something that I miss. I went on r/Starcraft today after IEM and saw that at least 15 of the 25 posts on the front pages were related to Blink in PvT. I understand that the build is strong and hard to stop. I would probably be frustrated too if I lost to an all-in like that. However, many people (I really hope that it is simply the vocal minority, but I don't know anymore) have decided to give zero credit to any of the Protoss players out there and simply say that herO and sOs won because Protoss is imbalanced. This balance whining has been going on for months and it has even been acknowledged by Blizzard that something is wrong.

You guys need to just lay back, chill, and enjoy the Starcraft. Do you guys know what my favorite game of the day was? Game 1 of sOs vs Jjakji. Yeah, the one where sOs went Phoenix-Colossus into 3 SG Carriers. That build was f**king amazing how sOs was able to pull that off. Do you know how much guts that takes in order to do something like that in a tournament? It was an incredible gamble and it would have backfired had he not thrown down perfect FFs. Where was the love for that move? I don't see it anywhere on the first 5 pages on Reddit. Come on guys, that is ridiculous. Instead of bitching about how Blink all-ins are overpowered (in your Gold League opinions), go talk about how good the games were that Polt/TaeJa/whoever won! I see a couple of people have done that with herO vs Polt Game 2, and I would like to applaud those people.

No one wins if you just sit there and post "GRRR PROTOSS IS IMBALANCED RAGE RAGE RAGE" on reddit. No one cares what your opinion is. Blizzard is not going to change its' entire game based on one post on reddit. So really, stop it. If you are getting angry by simply WATCHING a game of Starcraft, why are you even here? It's a game, you are supposed to be having fun while either playing it or watching it!

While I do agree that watching Blink plays in PvT 5 games in a row is really boring, you guys are taking it way over the line. It's perfectly fine to bitch a little bit, but the rate this community has been going, there is going to be no one left willing to interact with other SC2 players quicker than you think. Also, what does someone who wants to get into SC2 think when all they see are people raging about the game? Isn't that why we are better than the LoL community (sorry LoL guys, there are nice LoL people out there but I have bad experiences with other players there)?

Lastly, people who are in places of popularity in this community should stop pouring gasoline on the fire. I can understand people who are still in the thick of emotions and such (like TaeJa's tweet) can say things like this, but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse.

TL;DR Stop bitching about Starcraft, you are killing e-sports. Games are meant to be fun, and if you get angry just by watching a game, don't watch it. Simple as that.

/rant

Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that off of my chest.

**
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 04:21:43
March 16 2014 04:21 GMT
#2
Wow this completey changes things.

Where's the VOD to the Carriers btw, didn't catch that.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
March 16 2014 04:22 GMT
#3
the age old question
what's worse
someone who bitches about starcraft
or someone who bitches about someone who bitches about starcraft
post to be
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 16 2014 04:28 GMT
#4
On March 16 2014 13:21 Saechiis wrote:
Wow this completey changes things.

Where's the VOD to the Carriers btw, didn't catch that.


http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2/c/3891193/ Start at 30:00
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 04:33:18
March 16 2014 04:31 GMT
#5
On March 16 2014 13:11 Corazon wrote:
Hey guys, this has been bugging me ever since I looked on r/Starcraft today. I'm just going to prelude this with the fact that I am a Protoss player and I wrote the guide on Macro blink for TL Strat, so take that how you will.

This community is hurting Starcraft 2. I'm just going to put that fact out there. Remember when Starcraft 2 was a game that everyone was able to enjoy without a bunch of reddit posts about how one race was imbalanced? That is something that I miss. I went on r/Starcraft today after IEM and saw that at least 15 of the 25 posts on the front pages were related to Blink in PvT. I understand that the build is strong and hard to stop. I would probably be frustrated too if I lost to an all-in like that. However, many people (I really hope that it is simply the vocal minority, but I don't know anymore) have decided to give zero credit to any of the Protoss players out there and simply say that herO and sOs won because Protoss is imbalanced. This balance whining has been going on for months and it has even been acknowledged by Blizzard that something is wrong.

You guys need to just lay back, chill, and enjoy the Starcraft. Do you guys know what my favorite game of the day was? Game 1 of sOs vs Jjakji. Yeah, the one where sOs went Phoenix-Colossus into 3 SG Carriers. That build was f**king amazing how sOs was able to pull that off. Do you know how much guts that takes in order to do something like that in a tournament? It was an incredible gamble and it would have backfired had he not thrown down perfect FFs. Where was the love for that move? I don't see it anywhere on the first 5 pages on Reddit. Come on guys, that is ridiculous. Instead of bitching about how Blink all-ins are overpowered (in your Gold League opinions), go talk about how good the games were that Polt/TaeJa/whoever won! I see a couple of people have done that with herO vs Polt Game 2, and I would like to applaud those people.

No one wins if you just sit there and post "GRRR PROTOSS IS IMBALANCED RAGE RAGE RAGE" on reddit. No one cares what your opinion is. Blizzard is not going to change its' entire game based on one post on reddit. So really, stop it. If you are getting angry by simply WATCHING a game of Starcraft, why are you even here? It's a game, you are supposed to be having fun while either playing it or watching it!

While I do agree that watching Blink plays in PvT 5 games in a row is really boring, you guys are taking it way over the line. It's perfectly fine to bitch a little bit, but the rate this community has been going, there is going to be no one left willing to interact with other SC2 players quicker than you think. Also, what does someone who wants to get into SC2 think when all they see are people raging about the game? Isn't that why we are better than the LoL community (sorry LoL guys, there are nice LoL people out there but I have bad experiences with other players there)?

Lastly, people who are in places of popularity in this community should stop pouring gasoline on the fire. I can understand people who are still in the thick of emotions and such (like TaeJa's tweet) can say things like this, but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse.

TL;DR Stop bitching about Starcraft, you are killing e-sports. Games are meant to be fun, and if you get angry just by watching a game, don't watch it. Simple as that.

/rant

Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that off of my chest.


Then stop be so sensitive. This isn't just happening now, it was like this during the 1-1-1 era, the BL/infest or and even the HoTS hellbat drops era. So stop bitching. If you get mad just by reading Reddit and TL, don't read it, simple as that.

When you post things like 'in your Gold League opinions', it doesn't help at all.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 04:56:31
March 16 2014 04:55 GMT
#6
On March 16 2014 13:31 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 13:11 Corazon wrote:
Hey guys, this has been bugging me ever since I looked on r/Starcraft today. I'm just going to prelude this with the fact that I am a Protoss player and I wrote the guide on Macro blink for TL Strat, so take that how you will.

This community is hurting Starcraft 2. I'm just going to put that fact out there. Remember when Starcraft 2 was a game that everyone was able to enjoy without a bunch of reddit posts about how one race was imbalanced? That is something that I miss. I went on r/Starcraft today after IEM and saw that at least 15 of the 25 posts on the front pages were related to Blink in PvT. I understand that the build is strong and hard to stop. I would probably be frustrated too if I lost to an all-in like that. However, many people (I really hope that it is simply the vocal minority, but I don't know anymore) have decided to give zero credit to any of the Protoss players out there and simply say that herO and sOs won because Protoss is imbalanced. This balance whining has been going on for months and it has even been acknowledged by Blizzard that something is wrong.

You guys need to just lay back, chill, and enjoy the Starcraft. Do you guys know what my favorite game of the day was? Game 1 of sOs vs Jjakji. Yeah, the one where sOs went Phoenix-Colossus into 3 SG Carriers. That build was f**king amazing how sOs was able to pull that off. Do you know how much guts that takes in order to do something like that in a tournament? It was an incredible gamble and it would have backfired had he not thrown down perfect FFs. Where was the love for that move? I don't see it anywhere on the first 5 pages on Reddit. Come on guys, that is ridiculous. Instead of bitching about how Blink all-ins are overpowered (in your Gold League opinions), go talk about how good the games were that Polt/TaeJa/whoever won! I see a couple of people have done that with herO vs Polt Game 2, and I would like to applaud those people.

No one wins if you just sit there and post "GRRR PROTOSS IS IMBALANCED RAGE RAGE RAGE" on reddit. No one cares what your opinion is. Blizzard is not going to change its' entire game based on one post on reddit. So really, stop it. If you are getting angry by simply WATCHING a game of Starcraft, why are you even here? It's a game, you are supposed to be having fun while either playing it or watching it!

While I do agree that watching Blink plays in PvT 5 games in a row is really boring, you guys are taking it way over the line. It's perfectly fine to bitch a little bit, but the rate this community has been going, there is going to be no one left willing to interact with other SC2 players quicker than you think. Also, what does someone who wants to get into SC2 think when all they see are people raging about the game? Isn't that why we are better than the LoL community (sorry LoL guys, there are nice LoL people out there but I have bad experiences with other players there)?

Lastly, people who are in places of popularity in this community should stop pouring gasoline on the fire. I can understand people who are still in the thick of emotions and such (like TaeJa's tweet) can say things like this, but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse.

TL;DR Stop bitching about Starcraft, you are killing e-sports. Games are meant to be fun, and if you get angry just by watching a game, don't watch it. Simple as that.

/rant

Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get that off of my chest.


Then stop be so sensitive. This isn't just happening now, it was like this during the 1-1-1 era, the BL/infest or and even the HoTS hellbat drops era. So stop bitching. If you get mad just by reading Reddit and TL, don't read it, simple as that.

When you post things like 'in your Gold League opinions', it doesn't help at all.

Yes, he could've taken out the gold league part and such but this blogs intention was to tell the community to take it easy, relax, enjoy the game and let Blizzard handle the patching since they know about blink all-ins and such. You're right that there was a lot of bitching during the 1-1-1 era, Broodlord-infestor era, the hellbat era etc... but it gets tiresome for those who are enjoying the community and have to put with it. I don't watch SCII much these days but I tuned into IEM yesterday and for whatever reason today and after sOs won, there were 3-4(or 4-5?) pages in the LR with most discrediting the win, calling protoss shit etc... A little whining is fine but I think it's excessive and I know those who truly enjoy the game and hang in the LR don't like it either. I personally think the mods should be much stricter to avoid it getting out of control. Imagine if SCII was like BW where Blizzard stopped patching it, I doubt we'll see as many complaints as we do now because it would be known that complaining won't get things patched.

OP, I can understand your concern. The SCII community has become more balance whiny than usual lately. Even though some of the other eras were just as bad, for some reason, this one feels worse, dunno why. I think you should avoid using things like gold league players etc... because you are trying to reach out to people and not get them riled up. I think it will calm down eventually after Blizzard patches so can't do much but weather the storm.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 16 2014 05:10 GMT
#7
On March 16 2014 13:22 cam connor wrote:
the age old question
what's worse
someone who bitches about starcraft
or someone who bitches about someone who bitches about starcraft

All of the above
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
March 16 2014 05:21 GMT
#8
On March 16 2014 13:22 cam connor wrote:
the age old question
what's worse
someone who bitches about starcraft
or someone who bitches about someone who bitches about starcraft


The age old question, who's worse:
The guy who bitches about free ice cream
Or the guy who tells him he's an idiot.

So, yeah.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 16 2014 05:26 GMT
#9
Dunno man I just never touch reddit and try to be relentlessly positive and upbeat in the LR

I also try to disuade any balance talk by bringing up cool stuff and Harry Potter

It's made me really love the game again and introduced me to a lot of cool people. The less than cool people don't bother me.

Maybe just stay away from reddit
Zerg for Life
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
March 16 2014 05:31 GMT
#10
I don't know, dude, was there ever a time when someone was not complaining about race balance on reddit? See this another way, the complaining means that the metagame is flowing which indicates a healthy game. Also, consider that all this rage means that people are still invested in the game. I agree that the complaining can get out of hand, especially if Blizzard knee-jerk patches (I hope DK wears good ear plugs). But, overall, take a deep breath and let it go. Hope the rant helped though.

Oh yeah, and remember that SC2 is serious business!
KT best KT ~ 2014
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2014 05:41 GMT
#11
Not everyone can be a chill bro like me
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 05:55:54
March 16 2014 05:52 GMT
#12
Bah. Who cares? You know what? If you really are THAT PASSIONATE, then nothing will stop you. Not the downers, not the whining, not the drama...

True passion denies that which seeks to dampen your pride.

If you're really passionate about StarCraft, then sure, you might get angry once in awhile. You might rage. It comes with being invested heavily in something. But even so, you'll dig your heels in, fighting hard to find that special something that makes you feel alive inside. I know that when I was passionate about this game, that was sure as hell what I did. And when someone bitched or whined or tried to put a dampen on my happiness, I turned that right back around and used it to fuel myself.

And for the rest? Well, maybe their passion never was SC. Maybe it WAS their passion, at one point or another, but then that fire died.

Maybe bitching and moaning replaced that special something that SC provided.

Who gives a shit?

Also, stop with the "eSports" bullshit. That shit shouldn't be the foundation of a gaming community. The foundation is the game. The GAME, and the passion that comes with it. All these people complaining left and right, I wonder why?

Somewhere down the line the foundation shifted.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3291 Posts
March 16 2014 06:35 GMT
#13
On March 16 2014 14:41 lichter wrote:
Not everyone can be a chill bro like me


thats why i voted for lichter
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 16 2014 08:45 GMT
#14
Poll: Who is the worst

Naniwa (14)
 
50%

The person who made this poll (9)
 
32%

People who whine about people who whine about people who whine about sc2 (3)
 
11%

People who whine about sc2 (2)
 
7%

People who whine about people who whine about sc2 (0)
 
0%

28 total votes

Your vote: Who is the worst

(Vote): People who whine about sc2
(Vote): People who whine about people who whine about sc2
(Vote): People who whine about people who whine about people who whine about sc2
(Vote): Naniwa
(Vote): The person who made this poll


Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 16 2014 10:34 GMT
#15
On March 16 2014 14:41 lichter wrote:
Not everyone can be a chill bro like me


True that, how did you get so chill, do you live in a refrigerator inside of an igloo? Teach me!
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 16 2014 12:05 GMT
#16
i have a mini-fridge with booze beside my computer
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
March 16 2014 12:10 GMT
#17
On March 16 2014 21:05 lichter wrote:
i have a mini-fridge with booze beside my computer

That's brilliant! I'm definitely going to do that when I have a bigger place!
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
March 16 2014 12:28 GMT
#18
I dont know about you man , but I'm enjoying the rage and bitching , I dont do it myself since I am a noob and I have no say when it comes to balance....but thats the way I am
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
March 16 2014 14:59 GMT
#19
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you
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WikidSik
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada382 Posts
March 16 2014 15:13 GMT
#20
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you


I think the OP mis interpreted the opera thing Totalbiscuit did. That was supposed to make fun of the morons that are bitchin :/ Its kinda like how south park makes fun of dumass celebs that have a following. Its a way for sane people to band together.

And the OP should know that its like that every where and since the beggning of time. Even in broodwar people were always bitching about the top race of their times (like the time of the 6 toss dragons, or jaedongs/flash's rule). I bet people probably complained about Boxer's rushing as well.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2014 15:45 GMT
#21
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewEyes
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany113 Posts
March 16 2014 15:49 GMT
#22
On March 16 2014 14:26 KelsierSC wrote:
I also try to disuade any balance talk by bringing up cool stuff and Harry Potter


You, sir are my hero. Harry Potter > Balance !
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 16:05:53
March 16 2014 16:04 GMT
#23
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you


Corazon's just emotional and wants to see the community be positive and happy for a change. Its been horribly negative recently.

I for one know you do a lot for SC2 but I really wish not just you but others who are big figureheads in the community try to encourage positivity more actively rather than let the blind frothing circlejerk negativity that shows up not only on r/sc but also here on TL in LR and sc2gen forums stew more than it already has. Not saying you encourage negativity, but I wish more could be done by a LOT of us to encourage some positivity.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 16 2014 16:42 GMT
#24
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol
Grubby's #1 Fan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2014 17:10 GMT
#25
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol

Why are you blaming him then? What did he do beyond payrole a team of talented players? I dont' get your point, if you had any?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
March 16 2014 18:08 GMT
#26
On March 17 2014 01:04 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you


Corazon's just emotional and wants to see the community be positive and happy for a change. Its been horribly negative recently.

I for one know you do a lot for SC2 but I really wish not just you but others who are big figureheads in the community try to encourage positivity more actively rather than let the blind frothing circlejerk negativity that shows up not only on r/sc but also here on TL in LR and sc2gen forums stew more than it already has. Not saying you encourage negativity, but I wish more could be done by a LOT of us to encourage some positivity.


The other aspect is people just not expecting Protoss to be this good in HOTS. For basically most of WOL we were the turtle or all-in race (in PvT we were mostly the turtle race as we cowered in our bases till Colossus and waited for drops).

HOTS has really enabled P players to come out of their shells, explore their tech trees and develop their race. T players, particularly, are yet to come to grips with that. To be fair, Blizzard did go overboard with the PO (60 seconds is way too long) but it appears we are stuck with it for HOTS. But, I attribute a good amount of the QQ to people not being willing to adjust or just taking a long time to adjust to HOTS Protoss because they compare it to WOL Protoss as the norm. When actually, it was less than the norm. The current situation might be over the norm line, but I hope Blizzard don't give in to the stupid QQ so much as to take away the tools P players are using and exploring in advancing the race (and the game).


KT best KT ~ 2014
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 16 2014 18:21 GMT
#27
On March 17 2014 02:10 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol

Why are you blaming him then? What did he do beyond payrole a team of talented players? I dont' get your point, if you had any?

Well since you called me a clown without looking at the facts, I don't think you would understand anything intelligible I would have to say.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2014 18:48 GMT
#28
On March 17 2014 03:21 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 02:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol

Why are you blaming him then? What did he do beyond payrole a team of talented players? I dont' get your point, if you had any?

Well since you called me a clown without looking at the facts, I don't think you would understand anything intelligible I would have to say.

Good argument. Glad to see you through this one through. I take that as you know you were mistaken in calling out TB.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 16 2014 19:02 GMT
#29
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you


Stop searching for your name or we're going to have to come up with code to secretively gossip, fyi it won't be BritishCookie.
I think esports is pretty nice.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
March 16 2014 19:15 GMT
#30
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol


News just in guys, being a caster, tournament organiser and team-manager = detached.

I assume that means you as a community member are so far detached you are in fucking low orbit.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 16 2014 21:28 GMT
#31
On March 17 2014 04:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol


News just in guys, being a caster, tournament organiser and team-manager = detached.

I assume that means you as a community member are so far detached you are in fucking low orbit.


I think its getting a little unnecessary from both side at this point to bash at eachother though.

But I do want to say thank you for the soundcloud thing about SC2 being alive and well. I really do appreciate it, its really great to see someone trying to use their influence for good, sadly, its a refreshing sight (it really shouldn't need to be refreshing imo).
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 21:55:53
March 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#32
On March 17 2014 04:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol


News just in guys, being a caster, tournament organiser and team-manager = detached.

I assume that means you as a community member are so far detached you are in fucking low orbit.

I work at a Tae Kwon Do studio that teaches martial arts to children. A big part of martial arts is to not fight unless its necessary.

When you say things like "Tired of PvT? Watch Clan Wars!", it's like if I took all of my students on a field trip and randomly started beating up people they see on the street. What are the students going to do? They are going to copy me.

The same applies to you. Keep your bad opinions to yourself and unless you have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. Just as society doesn't want children who go around and punch random strangers, this community doesn't need people encouraging them to say "OMG PROTOSS IS IMBALANCED RAGE RAGE RAGE WHINE WHINE WHINE".

TL DR; You shouldn't be campaigning for "The Power of Protoss", you should be campaigning for "The Power of Positivity". Your recent SoundCloud talk about the viewer numbers was a good start, I just hope you keep going like that.

Thanks and goodbye.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 16 2014 22:14 GMT
#33
On March 17 2014 06:53 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 04:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On March 17 2014 01:42 Corazon wrote:
On March 17 2014 00:45 Plansix wrote:
On March 16 2014 23:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
but people who are completely detached from the situation (Totalbiscuit, I'm looking at you) are doing nothing but making the situation worse


I never get tired of being told by people that I'm killing eSports.

Fuck you

LoL, he thinks your detached, yet you have a SC2 team that you payrole yourself. What a clown.

In this situation, detached = not being a pro-gamer. Lol


News just in guys, being a caster, tournament organiser and team-manager = detached.

I assume that means you as a community member are so far detached you are in fucking low orbit.

I work at a Tae Kwon Do studio that teaches martial arts to children. A big part of martial arts is to not fight unless its necessary.

When you say things like "Tired of PvT? Watch Clan Wars!", it's like if I took all of my students on a field trip and randomly started beating up people they see on the street. What are the students going to do? They are going to copy me.

The same applies to you. Keep your bad opinions to yourself and unless you have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. Just as society doesn't want children who go around and punch random strangers, this community doesn't need people encouraging them to say "OMG PROTOSS IS IMBALANCED RAGE RAGE RAGE WHINE WHINE WHINE".

TL DR; You shouldn't be campaigning for "The Power of Protoss", you should be campaigning for "The Power of Positivity". Your recent SoundCloud talk about the viewer numbers was a good start, I just hope you keep going like that.

Thanks and goodbye.


Please give it a rest. You're right in that negativity brings forth more negativity, but your posting is negative as well. If you want to change something change yourself and post positive.
I think esports is pretty nice.
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