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On February 09 2014 07:19 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 04:49 vOdToasT wrote:On February 09 2014 04:28 AiurZ wrote: 1. he was a talented young person who was a nobody & then became really successful and rich so ppl are jealous.
2. now that he is successful and rich he gets a lot of media attention and ppl are free to scrutinize everything that he does during a time in his life in which most ppl invariably do stupid things, which is compounded by the fact that he is now successful and rich. His music sucks, yet he is popular. Therefor, he is a reminder to us that the rest of humanity has depressingly shit taste, not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music. He is a symbol of many things that are wrong with humanity, and what our societies reward. He's also a "christian" moron with stupid values, and a terrible neighbour (asshole). I don't understand who you are to say that "people have shit taste". There are no objective ways to define some music "beautiful", it's purely subjective, so you may think that his music sucks, but if most people like it, it becomes beautiful by definition. Disclaimer: I don't like his music either so I simply ignore him. However, this isn't even the case as >90% of his popularity is due to people insulting him. If you would just respect other people's tastes he wouldn't be nearly as famous. I like how you say that there is no objective way to define beauty in music, and continue to define beauty in music by an objective measure, namely the portion of people liking it.
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A) His following of 14 year old girls is reminiscent of a religious cult. They'll do anything for him/ support him no matter what he does. (I think I remember one specific case when people posted pictures of them cutting themselves on twitter for him?? not exactly sure though.)
B) Some view him as a role-model. Objectively, this is shitty because of his general contempt for authority and the law.
C) His Ego (it deserves its own capital letter at this point) is absolutely insane.
D) People like hating people.
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Because he's Canadian, clearly.
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On February 09 2014 04:49 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 04:28 AiurZ wrote: 1. he was a talented young person who was a nobody & then became really successful and rich so ppl are jealous.
2. now that he is successful and rich he gets a lot of media attention and ppl are free to scrutinize everything that he does during a time in his life in which most ppl invariably do stupid things, which is compounded by the fact that he is now successful and rich. His music sucks, yet he is popular. Therefor, he is a reminder to us that the rest of humanity has depressingly shit taste, not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music. He is a symbol of many things that are wrong with humanity, and what our societies reward. He's also a "christian" moron with stupid values, and a terrible neighbour (asshole).
Maybe aside from having stupid values, all the things you listed are TERRIBLE reasons for hating someone.
You don't like his music? Listen to something else. Don't like the fact that other people like his music? So what? Why would make such a big deal of what other people listen to? Don't like that people like him for his looks rather than his music? That has been the case with hundreds of performers for the past few decades. It's nothing new.
And if your problem with a person is that he reminds you of other people having bad taste, why blame him for it?
That said though, there are legitimate reasons not to like him - he was recently arrested for Drunk Driving, for example - but the whole "OMG BIEBER IS THE ANTICHRIST"-BS bandwagon has been old since 2010.
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On February 09 2014 08:24 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 04:49 vOdToasT wrote:On February 09 2014 04:28 AiurZ wrote: 1. he was a talented young person who was a nobody & then became really successful and rich so ppl are jealous.
2. now that he is successful and rich he gets a lot of media attention and ppl are free to scrutinize everything that he does during a time in his life in which most ppl invariably do stupid things, which is compounded by the fact that he is now successful and rich. His music sucks, yet he is popular. Therefor, he is a reminder to us that the rest of humanity has depressingly shit taste, not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music. He is a symbol of many things that are wrong with humanity, and what our societies reward. He's also a "christian" moron with stupid values, and a terrible neighbour (asshole). Maybe aside from having stupid values, all the things you listed are TERRIBLE reasons for hating someone. You don't like his music? Listen to something else. Don't like the fact that other people like his music? So what? Why would make such a big deal of what other people listen to? Don't like that people like him for his looks rather than his music? That has been the case with hundreds of performers for the past few decades. It's nothing new. And if your problem with a person is that he reminds you of other people having bad taste, why blame him for it? That said though, there are legitimate reasons not to like him - he was recently arrested for Drunk Driving, for example - but the whole "OMG BIEBER IS THE ANTICHRIST"-BS bandwagon has been old since 2010. Antichrist would actually be a compliment, if you know what i mean.
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I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that
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On February 09 2014 07:16 docvoc wrote: The hate is excessive, but the kid does stupid things and is just generally not incredibly smart. The way he got famous was brilliant, but all manufactured by his mom who seems to be failing at her job as being a mom while being great at reaping the rewards of her son. It's just generally a really bad symbol to have, a family like that, in my opinion. The dude does dumb stuff, but the reason people really dislike him is the fact that his music is the poster-child for general consumption, safe pop music. People can dislike him for his success, or because he's "out there," but what I normally see is people disliking him because all of that is undeserved. The way he got popular was with small girls who latched onto how cute he was, not how good of an artist he was, which, at least for the crowd I'm around, is the most frustrating thing. It's not that the method takes no skill, but that it's so random and ridiculously chance based that he may as well have just drawn lots to see if he'd become popular. That's the view I see a lot in the South. i dont think its fair to say "the only reason he got popular is because people thought he was attractive". its also not fair to diminish what justin accomplished by trying to say that it was completely random etc.
im pretty sure justin bieber did a lot of work to get to where he is today.
have u watched never say never?
how come people dont get mad at the president of nabisco for making delicious oreo cookies that are safe, and for general consumption? get it together nabisco! make some cookies that arent delicious!
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not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music.
I don t think this is only a "little girl" problem. I always see how girls are confused whit singers, they say "i love the music" but they like the singer. The same happend whit sport, famous guys, actor, .... Iit reminds me t how female animals have sex whit the stronger. Its like "he can take care of me and my childrens" attitude. Can t call it love.
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Instant five stars for spelling his name wrong.
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On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote: I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least.
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On February 09 2014 10:41 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote: I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least. Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls.
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On February 09 2014 11:17 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:41 BigFan wrote:On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote: I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least. Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls.
It seems like you should be directing your anger at the world for being so superficial though, its not Bieber's fault that so many teenage girls like him . He just does what he does, it might not be fair that so many talented artists are ignored in favour of his music, but its certainly not Bieber's fault that that's the way things are.
I really feel like there's no real reason anyone should hate Bieber before all of his dramatic episodes occurred. But certainly now it just seems like he feels he's too good for society and can skirt all of the laws, I dislike that elitism generally. I don't think its going to have much of an effect on children though, they're smart enough to figure out what reasonable behaviour is from stupid behaviour. They have their parents, friends, and whoever else they have a close relationship with to guide them so I think any influence on Bieber's part is minimal.
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I actually think one should make a difference between (dis)liking someone as a person or as a musician. I think one big reason people here are disagreeing with eachother, or even misunderstanding eachother, is because that distinction isn't made clearly.
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Don't hate the player.
Justin Bieber and other artists made the decision of filtering girls much easier!
A women w/ true grace, allure, and is intelligent won't be attracted to artists like him, they would rather be w/ the OTHER Canadian pop sensation that is Michael Bubble. If a girl listen to poppy music that consists of detrimental lyrics of partying, drinking, getting high on drugs while being promiscuous, then it is the absolute truth that she is incredibly stupid and isn't marriage material.
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I was just thinking (always a bad sign)- We want to make sense of everything. We don't want to hear something about something and then not form an opinion about it. Consequently, we often form tentative opinions on some things that we have very little information about. Now think about this in terms of media: We know about the existence of hundreds of people that we might only hear a few snippets about a month. I have to make sense of Emma Watson, Chris Christie, and Kim Jong Il with paltry information. This conditions the unwary into making snap judgments and usually of an extreme binary sort. I like this thing. I don't like this thing.
I don't want to believe that the mode of humanity is what's represented on twitter, but many people use pop culture as an arena where they don't have to be critical and just let out some petty emotion. I suspect that most of the 'hate' is pretty superficial, but twitter, etc. encourages its users to spew literally everything that crosses their mind. There is also a large subset of people who dislike Bieber because they don't want to hear about it 24/7. Of course, if not him, then someone else.
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hes talented and rich, but also extremely spoiled.
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On February 09 2014 11:17 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:41 BigFan wrote:On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote: I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least. Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls. maybe it's the most extreme since his rise to fame was fast but I can't say much on his musical talent since I'm not a musician even though I like to listen to some music here and there. Well, whatever image he's selling, it's obviously helped him get to where he is.
On February 09 2014 12:24 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 11:17 Muffloe wrote:On February 09 2014 10:41 BigFan wrote:On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote: I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least. Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls. It seems like you should be directing your anger at the world for being so superficial though, its not Bieber's fault that so many teenage girls like him . He just does what he does, it might not be fair that so many talented artists are ignored in favour of his music, but its certainly not Bieber's fault that that's the way things are. I really feel like there's no real reason anyone should hate Bieber before all of his dramatic episodes occurred. But certainly now it just seems like he feels he's too good for society and can skirt all of the laws, I dislike that elitism generally. I don't think its going to have much of an effect on children though, they're smart enough to figure out what reasonable behaviour is from stupid behaviour. They have their parents, friends, and whoever else they have a close relationship with to guide them so I think any influence on Bieber's part is minimal. this pretty much. I can't see anything that Bieber did wrong when he first started. It's only when he began breaking the law and such that I can understand why people can dislike him. Disliking him before he started having a big ego and break the law seems like only jealousy imo. I mean, you can say he got lucky, it's not fair etc... but guess what? life isn't fair overall so using that as the basis to hate him is not right.
On February 09 2014 13:10 Jerubaal wrote: I was just thinking (always a bad sign)- We want to make sense of everything. We don't want to hear something about something and then not form an opinion about it. Consequently, we often form tentative opinions on some things that we have very little information about. Now think about this in terms of media: We know about the existence of hundreds of people that we might only hear a few snippets about a month. I have to make sense of Emma Watson, Chris Christie, and Kim Jong Il with paltry information. This conditions the unwary into making snap judgments and usually of an extreme binary sort. I like this thing. I don't like this thing.
I don't want to believe that the mode of humanity is what's represented on twitter, but many people use pop culture as an arena where they don't have to be critical and just let out some petty emotion. I suspect that most of the 'hate' is pretty superficial, but twitter, etc. encourages its users to spew literally everything that crosses their mind. There is also a large subset of people who dislike Bieber because they don't want to hear about it 24/7. Of course, if not him, then someone else.
thinking is a good thing and you make a good point. Lots of people make judgement with very little information and changing that is very difficult in more cases than not since it gets rooted as time passes on.
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I feel kind of bad for him. You see the same thing happen over and over... Mike Tyson, Brittney Spears, Michael Jackson. Basically talented young people who get surrounded by people getting rich off them. Everyone tells them what they wanna hear and never tells them no because there's big $$$ to be made off of them. They get stuck in the dumb teenager stage until they're old and washed out and broke. Children shouldn't be in "show business".
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I don't have a problem with his career in itself. His music is shit but it makes him money, so more power to him if he's happy with that.
What I hate is that the kid's a giant douche. He spits on his fans, gets drunk and obnoxious in public places, vandalizes buildings across the world, pissed on the memory of Anne Frank, and probably paid off his friend to take the fall in the whole cocaine incident a while back.
Otherwise, I've never had a problem with him before all this. I had a problem with his fans because they were all vapid and deluded and probably would have (and still would) defend him if he committed an act of bloody murder, but otherwise, it's just because he's a dick.
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