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On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason)
It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works?
Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters.
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Also this could be the aftermath of blizzard severely shrinking the master league, because people were complaining the skill variance was too big. So the result created this mess.
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I made a thread about this.
Basically because MMR decay is so steep, a bunch of ex masters and diamonds who havent played for a little are now in plat (like me). Because there are so many people in plat, we can't actually get out of it because we can't get to a win rate significantly higher than 50% (because we're facing similar skill opponents who also used to be Masters).
Blizzard has basically aknowledged that there is a problem and are working to fix it.
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On November 23 2013 07:00 DinoMight wrote:
I made a thread about this.
Basically because MMR decay is so steep, a bunch of ex masters and diamonds who havent played for a little are now in plat (like me). Because there are so many people in plat, we can't actually get out of it because we can't get to a win rate significantly higher than 50% (because we're facing similar skill opponents who also used to be Masters).
Blizzard has basically aknowledged that there is a problem and are working to fix it.
Well if they won't be able to solve the problem until the next season, why bother playing now? it's just frustrating =(
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On November 23 2013 06:59 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason) It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works? Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters.
Yes, I'll play more games so I can lose to more Masters' players stuck in Platinum.
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On November 23 2013 07:01 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:00 DinoMight wrote:
I made a thread about this.
Basically because MMR decay is so steep, a bunch of ex masters and diamonds who havent played for a little are now in plat (like me). Because there are so many people in plat, we can't actually get out of it because we can't get to a win rate significantly higher than 50% (because we're facing similar skill opponents who also used to be Masters).
Blizzard has basically aknowledged that there is a problem and are working to fix it.
Well if they won't be able to solve the problem until the next season, why bother playing now? it's just frustrating =(
Well If you don't play you will decay to gold 
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There have been many people complaining about this. I was like a 7-8x masters (can't confirm this exact number, but was sinsce WoL, a long time), took a break cuz gf and life, came back and now I'm stuck in plat league playing ex-masters only.
It's happening to everyone.
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On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work.
I think only Excalibur_Z can make that claim outside Blizzard employees 
Also, please take a look at this chart before you make more claims.
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZaXMeoCMAEd2k3.png)
MMR decay is not the only reason why you are facing past Master players in diamonds and platinums.
Just accept it and try to get better.
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If I was in Platinum and I was facing former Master players, I would see it as an opportunity for me to practice against these players who technically have more experience than myself and try to become better rather than whining about it. I highly doubt the skill gap is so vast that people in platinum will find it impossible to beat these former master players.
I am a grandmaster top 75 zerg right now and let me tell you, the masters you are playing right now have never been anywhere near high or mid master level. They were the low masters who basically just got by. There was a huge skill gap between low and high masters, I don't know if its still there because I've been GM the past 3 seasons.
If I were you guys, i'd see this as an opportunity to get free games vs people that technically are better than me and test myself if I have the prowess to take them down. #KeepLaddering
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Master league doesn't need more players in it, but for fuck sake try to tune down the fucking decay, Blizzard :D
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On November 23 2013 07:07 Days wrote:
If I was in Platinum and I was facing former Master players, I would see it as an opportunity for me to practice against these players who technically have more experience than myself and try to become better rather than whining about it. I highly doubt the skill gap is so vast that people in platinum will find it impossible to beat these former master players.
I am a grandmaster top 75 zerg right now and let me tell you, the masters you are playing right now have never been anywhere near high or mid master level. They were the low masters who basically just got by. There was a huge skill gap between low and high masters, I don't know if its still there because I've been GM the past 3 seasons.
If I were you guys, i'd see this as an opportunity to get free games vs people that technically are better than me and test myself if I have the prowess to take them down. #KeepLaddering
I agree that's definitely the right mentality to have, but you should also think about the people you face whos skill is below your own that you have to face after demotion. You never know what skill level you face, it could be master league or gold, and if your own skill is above regular gold/plat level, that's what I would consider a waste of time.
I do however think it will sort itself out eventually, right now its a mess though.
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On November 23 2013 07:03 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:01 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 07:00 DinoMight wrote:
I made a thread about this.
Basically because MMR decay is so steep, a bunch of ex masters and diamonds who havent played for a little are now in plat (like me). Because there are so many people in plat, we can't actually get out of it because we can't get to a win rate significantly higher than 50% (because we're facing similar skill opponents who also used to be Masters).
Blizzard has basically aknowledged that there is a problem and are working to fix it.
Well if they won't be able to solve the problem until the next season, why bother playing now? it's just frustrating =( Well If you don't play you will decay to gold
TROLOLOLOLOL
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On November 23 2013 06:58 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:49 MyNameisYueY wrote:
Tbh I understand what you're saying, but the thing is if you're a masters league player then you will get masters. For example I started playing on europe this season for the first time and I got masters in 20 games. So yeah you may play people who are former master players, but not everybody is going to be a former masters player just here and there, you deserve whatever league you get. Just practice up and you will get masters back. But if I'm a diamond player, shouldn't I get diamond? Your advice is sound but it is frustrating to lose over and over again to players who shouldn't be in Platinum. If I was losing to true diamond/plat players, I would be fine and I would accept the fact that I suck. But if I'm playing the same players as I was when I was trying to get to Masters' league, shouldn't I be in diamond league?
Yeah you should if your skill level is truly diamond, the only 2 reasons why you aren't diamond if you are like I said truly diamond skill level at this very moment is you didn't play enough games yet to get promoted so your mmr still might be trying to stabilize or you just aren't playing enough throughout the week or however fast the decay rate is to time. I have no idea what the formula actually is so I can't give you a specific time period, but yeah either way both possibilities I named just deal with playing more so yeah gogo ladder and you will get diamond no problem, gl~
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On November 23 2013 06:32 Ben... wrote:
I don't really care about rank, but matchmaking has been straight up busted since they implemented these changes. I just played someone who was an 8 time Master player (high master for some seasons) who was sitting in mid-Platinum with a W/L of 56-9. He completely leveled me. It could not have been fun for him and it definitely wasn't fun for me. Next game was the opposite, I was up in supply on my opponent the entire game and won with minimal effort.
They need to bring the old system back. The new system is not fun in any way. I never get matched equally anymore. It always results in either me getting completely stomped or me completely stomping someone. No close games, no way to improve or figure things out.
Edit: Yup, just played a 12 time Master Terran. Got rolled one sided yet again. This is not fun. And they wonder why people are quitting. This guy had 9 wins in a row today but prior to today hadn't played for 2 weeks.
Blame inactive players, that are good ^_^
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On November 23 2013 07:07 Days wrote:
If I was in Platinum and I was facing former Master players, I would see it as an opportunity for me to practice against these players who technically have more experience than myself and try to become better rather than whining about it. I highly doubt the skill gap is so vast that people in platinum will find it impossible to beat these former master players.
I am a grandmaster top 75 zerg right now and let me tell you, the masters you are playing right now have never been anywhere near high or mid master level. They were the low masters who basically just got by. There was a huge skill gap between low and high masters, I don't know if its still there because I've been GM the past 3 seasons.
If I were you guys, i'd see this as an opportunity to get free games vs people that technically are better than me and test myself if I have the prowess to take them down. #KeepLaddering
Yeah I was actually going to say this exactly, but I was too lazy <3 I completely agree with all of this ty
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On November 23 2013 07:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 06:59 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason) It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works? Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters. Yes, I'll play more games so I can lose to more Masters' players stuck in Platinum.
If you're losing to masters then why are you complaining that you can't get back in?
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On November 23 2013 07:54 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:59 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason) It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works? Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters. Yes, I'll play more games so I can lose to more Masters' players stuck in Platinum. If you're losing to masters then why are you complaining that you can't get back in?
Why can't I get into Diamond?
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On November 23 2013 07:54 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:59 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason) It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works? Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters. Yes, I'll play more games so I can lose to more Masters' players stuck in Platinum. If you're losing to masters then why are you complaining that you can't get back in?
He means losing to players that USED to be in Masters but now are in the same league as him because of how messed up the ladder is.
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On November 23 2013 07:07 Days wrote:
If I was in Platinum and I was facing former Master players, I would see it as an opportunity for me to practice against these players who technically have more experience than myself and try to become better rather than whining about it. I highly doubt the skill gap is so vast that people in platinum will find it impossible to beat these former master players.
I am a grandmaster top 75 zerg right now and let me tell you, the masters you are playing right now have never been anywhere near high or mid master level. They were the low masters who basically just got by. There was a huge skill gap between low and high masters, I don't know if its still there because I've been GM the past 3 seasons.
If I were you guys, i'd see this as an opportunity to get free games vs people that technically are better than me and test myself if I have the prowess to take them down. #KeepLaddering
I can confirm regarding the master's thing, I'm mid-high master's at the moment (top ~15, still a long way from GM MMR) and I've never had any trouble getting out of lower leagues on decayed accounts. I had an account that decayed all the way down to bronze as of a couple weeks ago. I played the placement, got put in bronze, and I was already back up to diamond after going 21-0. All the ex-master's I played on the way up (there were maybe 6 or 7 total out of the 21) were very clearly not currently master's level. To be honest, I wouldn't even have been able to guess during the game that they were ex-masters. IMO the only real way to deal with MMR decay is to just focus on improving your game; the rest is just noise and will take care of iteslf.
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On November 23 2013 08:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:54 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 07:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:59 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:55 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:47 rd wrote:On November 23 2013 06:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 23 2013 06:31 rd wrote:
How many games have you even played in total? 40 is not nearly enough to get promoted unless you won 90%+ of them. Rather than immediately assume the system is broken and that you aren't at fault, why not humble yourself and simply ask how it works first? I've been playing this game for 3 years. I understand how ladders work. I was a high diamond player before they changed the MMR decay. I could say that my skill went down a little bit, but to say it went from high-diamond to mid-platinum is a long shot. On my second account (where I play random), I'm currently around 16-5 and went from silver to gold (after having the account in Platinum last season) and I'm playing true gold players and stomping them with both my Zerg and Terran (which are way outclassed by my Protoss). I've played about 4-5 players that have never been higher than Platinum and I've beaten them all. My losses are to 3-time Masters, 4-time Masters, even a 13-time Masters' player. I'm 1-1 vs current Masters' players and about 2-3 to current Diamond players. It's ridiculous. That doesn't answer my question. How many total games have you played without seeing promotion, and at what winrate? That should not matter. If I was diamond before and I got demoted to platinum, I should be playing Diamond players and a quick win-streak should allow me to get back to diamond. If it makes you feel better, I'm 11-16 right now. My Bnet profile (I can't update SC2 ranks for whatever reason) It does matter. Because it takes more games to get promoted now, unless you go on insane win streaks. Didn't you just say you knew how it works? Rather than spend your energy here ranting on the forums, why don't you go play some more games? If you play 200 games with a positive win rate against masters players and don't get promoted, then maybe I might concede that you've earned the entitlement to announce that the system is broken, and that it isn't infact just you that can't get into Masters. Yes, I'll play more games so I can lose to more Masters' players stuck in Platinum. If you're losing to masters then why are you complaining that you can't get back in? Why can't I get into Diamond?
Play more games. If you can't get to diamond within 100 at a >50% win ratio then you're justified in bitching. (assuming you really are fighting at masters mmr and winning.
On November 23 2013 08:10 DueleR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 07:07 Days wrote:
If I was in Platinum and I was facing former Master players, I would see it as an opportunity for me to practice against these players who technically have more experience than myself and try to become better rather than whining about it. I highly doubt the skill gap is so vast that people in platinum will find it impossible to beat these former master players.
I am a grandmaster top 75 zerg right now and let me tell you, the masters you are playing right now have never been anywhere near high or mid master level. They were the low masters who basically just got by. There was a huge skill gap between low and high masters, I don't know if its still there because I've been GM the past 3 seasons.
If I were you guys, i'd see this as an opportunity to get free games vs people that technically are better than me and test myself if I have the prowess to take them down. #KeepLaddering I can confirm regarding the master's thing, I'm mid-high master's at the moment (top ~15, still a long way from GM MMR) and I've never had any trouble getting out of lower leagues on decayed accounts. I had an account that decayed all the way down to bronze as of a couple weeks ago. I played the placement, got put in bronze, and I was already back up to diamond after going 21-0. All the ex-master's I played on the way up (there were maybe 6 or 7 total out of the 21) were very clearly not currently master's level. To be honest, I wouldn't even have been able to guess during the game that they were ex-masters. IMO the only real way to deal with MMR decay is to just focus on improving your game; the rest is just noise and will take care of iteslf.
Double confirm; Half of diamond was probably masters at some point. It's pretty common for everyone to be a former masters, but that really means nothing when evaluating their current mmr (by checking their opponents), and how good they actually play.
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