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People are bodies, connected to the earth and to the air. They move with a purpose appearing to be the pursuit of an arbitrary desire. Do this. Be like that. The first link in the chain of reason remains unknown and the result never lasting. As the bodies shift the entire universe molds around them, rearranging and becoming something new. Every single thing is affected by the movements, and vice versa. When something else moves you will move as well. It all moves together, therefore it is all one thing.
People are minds. Who knows if there is a soul? Better yet, who knows what a soul is? Thoughts and feelings are vivid when they are awake, and sometimes they are more awake than others. Memories leave a record of what has been experienced, validating that it really happened, but much happens that isn't remembered. Thoughts and feelings flow through the mind and form labels and shapes by which people view the world. People tend to have thoughts based on the feelings and take actions based on the thoughts. Some people feel more than they think and some think more than they feel, but think or feel their mind is a filter to reality.
You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
Watch the person, watch it grow and understand and love because with understanding comes love. See the faults and weaknesses in the person and witness the person do their best in this world against their shortcomings, as all people do. Know that what you see in the person is what is in all people, that we are all the watcher and we are all struggling to understand and love ourselves. And through this learn to love all people and be released from negativity.
  
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have you ever tripped on acid?
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You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
This sounds like thinly veiled solipsistic apathy, and I'm not buying it.
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Have you ever tripped on reality?
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On August 31 2013 03:47 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
This sounds like thinly veiled solipsistic apathy, and I'm not buying it.
Why not?
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On August 31 2013 05:00 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:47 farvacola wrote:You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
This sounds like thinly veiled solipsistic apathy, and I'm not buying it. Why not?
Well, in some sense, because I simply choose not to. What we can or cannot do certainly has it's valence, but in many cases, one has a choice.
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I think whether or not we have free will is in how we describe it and irrelevant to what we actually do. I think by having a view that you can do nothing more than the best with what you've been given makes it easier to accept those things that are outside of your control.
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Well sure, but it is knowing what is and isn't in your control that can prove difficult.
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I don't even care about the philosophical stance. I thought it was cool writing. Cool beans~
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On August 31 2013 05:14 travis wrote:
I think whether or not we have free will is in how we describe it and irrelevant to what we actually do. I think by having a view that you can do nothing more than the best with what you've been given makes it easier to accept those things that are outside of your control.
Is it possible to have a view that you can do more than the best with what you've been given? The best is already a superlative (and therefore not even possible to reach), the question you would ask yourself is whether or not you already reached the best or if you can still reach further and try to do better. Which you always can, because superlative. (that said, doing "better" is pretty subjective and relative and only has any meaning in your own understanding of yourself and your surroundings)
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I for one am not buying it because you hardly put forth any arguments for your view, and the few arguments that you do put forth are quite vague and not very well thought out. So with that I don't have any reason to accept any of your statements. But then again, I guess the purpose of this post was not to argue for a certain view, but to just write a few sentences on what you think is the case. That's nice and all, but we all have some idea of what is the case - the difference between good and bad views is that the good ones are supported by good arguments, the bad ones are not.
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yeah, i am pretty sure i am a person, not a watcher.
but was not a bad read
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On August 31 2013 05:59 Sauwelios wrote:
I for one am not buying it because you hardly put forth any arguments for your view, and the few arguments that you do put forth are quite vague and not very well thought out. So with that I don't have any reason to accept any of your statements. But then again, I guess the purpose of this post was not to argue for a certain view, but to just write a few sentences on what you think is the case. That's nice and all, but we all have some idea of what is the case - the difference between good and bad views is that the good ones are supported by good arguments, the bad ones are not.
Well people can think about or debate what I am saying if they want to. If they think about it then awesome! If they debate it that can be even more fun. I wrote what I wrote, if people simply dismiss it without thinking about it then that's their business not mine. They can say it's because I didn't provide enough supporting argument, I could say it's because of laziness or disinterest. It would be very difficult to objectively claim one of us as being right.
To say it's not well thought out would be ridiculous as you have no idea how much thought went into it.
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I thought it was a pretty good read.
You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
If there is a god it would very likely to be more knowledgeable than any one person. Thus you could only claim to be a part of god at best and not the complete thing. It does bring up an interesting point; can a perfectly knowledgeable being have any power at all, or would it only have predetermined actions based on some initial input?
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On August 31 2013 05:53 Bommes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:14 travis wrote:
I think whether or not we have free will is in how we describe it and irrelevant to what we actually do. I think by having a view that you can do nothing more than the best with what you've been given makes it easier to accept those things that are outside of your control. Is it possible to have a view that you can do more than the best with what you've been given? The best is already a superlative (and therefore not even possible to reach), the question you would ask yourself is whether or not you already reached the best or if you can still reach further and try to do better. Which you always can, because superlative. (that said, doing "better" is pretty subjective and relative and only has any meaning in your own understanding of yourself and your surroundings)
My point is that everyone does the best they can because that is our nature, and that we need to be understanding of that. Our performance or the actions we take in life is not based on fundamental changes in what we are, rather it is based on changes in our circumstances.
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On August 31 2013 07:17 Awesomedrifter wrote:I thought it was a pretty good read. Show nested quote +You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock. If there is a god it would very likely to be more knowledgeable than any one person. Thus you could only claim to be a part of god at best and not the complete thing. It does bring up an interesting point; can a perfectly knowledgeable being have any power at all, or would it only have predetermined actions based on some initial input?
Why would something that has total awareness/understanding want power?
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Why would something that has total awareness/understanding want power?
True, but suppose it did want power, could it get it? Or would it know that power itself is impossible to obtain for any being and our views of having power are illusory?
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What do you mean by love, exactly?
I think there are a lot of people who when I learn more about them and come to understand them better, I start to hate them.
I think love is something we feel for select people, perhaps because it is an emotional necessity, or perhaps because just something in our brain gives us pleasure at thinking of certain people as more valuable to us than others. It gives us the perception of meaning, that we aren't just gross bodies meaninglessly bobbling thru space, but there is a meaning for our existence and that is to make these special people happy.
In my mind loving everybody makes love meaningless. You cease to have an opinion. There ceases to be a scale of emotion to give variety to our lives. You can't help everybody or make everybody happy, so you devalue your own love. Or if you love some people more than others, maybe those people you love less you don't really love at all.
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You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You are the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men.
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My dad told me when I was 4 that the gods made us out of mud, and I believe him to this day. Mud people!
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On August 31 2013 03:25 travis wrote:
You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock.
I have experienced this multiple times. The first time I was really really tired from being physically overworked and had I not learned how to release control and just enter flow state, moving my body without thinking, well. I might have passed out. The way I see it is almost like you are allowing spirit to take control, resting your mind which in turn rests your body, because if the mind is not controlling the body then the body doesn't feel like it is tiring.
Watch the person, watch it grow and understand and love because with understanding comes love. See the faults and weaknesses in the person and witness the person do their best in this world against their shortcomings, as all people do. Know that what you see in the person is what is in all people, that we are all the watcher and we are all struggling to understand and love ourselves. And through this learn to love all people and be released from negativity.
This is really sublime insight. I would ask what motivated you to begin when there are all these distractions? How do you focus on long-term fulfillment instead of instant or shorter-term satisfaction? I feel like an instant gratification junkie, never sober enough where I can actually muster enough willpower to even BEGIN to move toward fulfillment. And when I do it is a short-lived effort.
I had thoughts about the concept of an "oversoul" recently. I thought I may write a blog about it but I don't think it would be the best place for it as I'm not sure I want to talk about it beyond mentioning the idea.
Let's pretend that humans have souls that are separate due to the separation of consciousness from each body to the next. The goal of each soul is to grow and develop into something stronger and greater than it is. Now there is also an oversoul, which I'll call "the collective group of souls within an arbitrarily defined area like a star system or galaxy, which remain separated by consciousness but are connected by the sub/unconscious." If all the souls in the oversoul were to suddenly realize, unconditionally, that they are connected to each other in every way, the result would be the oversoul.
So the oversoul's goal is, much like its separate souls, to grow and develop into something stronger and greater than it is. How it does this is by the interactions the subsouls (=souls) have on the whole. People like Buddha (if he existed) and Ghandi and Hitler, Tutankhamen and da Vinci, Pope Boniface VIII and Galileo Galilei have made large impacts on the collective experience in this realm. It is the growth of individual souls that both impacts and creates growth in the oversoul. So this kind of quality of life is something we should all be striving for, for if we believe in souls, the apparent best way to grow is by impacting the oversoul.
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There was definitely a real Gautama Buddha. Whether or not he reached perfect enlightenment I'm not so sure 
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On August 31 2013 07:15 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 05:59 Sauwelios wrote:
I for one am not buying it because you hardly put forth any arguments for your view, and the few arguments that you do put forth are quite vague and not very well thought out. So with that I don't have any reason to accept any of your statements. But then again, I guess the purpose of this post was not to argue for a certain view, but to just write a few sentences on what you think is the case. That's nice and all, but we all have some idea of what is the case - the difference between good and bad views is that the good ones are supported by good arguments, the bad ones are not. Well people can think about or debate what I am saying if they want to. If they think about it then awesome! If they debate it that can be even more fun. I wrote what I wrote, if people simply dismiss it without thinking about it then that's their business not mine. They can say it's because I didn't provide enough supporting argument, I could say it's because of laziness or disinterest. It would be very difficult to objectively claim one of us as being right. Oh I see, so if I make a bad argument and fail to convince people, then they must all To say it's not well thought out would be ridiculous as you have no idea how much thought went into it. I don't need to know how much thought went into an argument to know whether it's well thought out or not. If the argument is bad, it's not well thought; if it is good, then it is well thought out. I can have a true insight into something, but as long as I cannot give arguments for my view, people won't be convinced that the thing I know is really the case. Claiming that people who are not convinced by bad arguments are simply 'lazy' or 'disinterested' is like being in gold league and blaming imbalance for losing you games - maybe the fault lies with you?
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On August 31 2013 12:00 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:25 travis wrote:
You are a watcher, not a person. You watch the person. You watch the mind. You watch the universe. If there is a god you are it and it is you. There is only one thing, how could it be any other way. You cannot control things you can only experience them. How can you control one thing when everything is connected. You cannot change things already set in motion just as you cannot stop the seconds from counting down on the clock. I have experienced this multiple times. The first time I was really really tired from being physically overworked and had I not learned how to release control and just enter flow state, moving my body without thinking, well. I might have passed out. The way I see it is almost like you are allowing spirit to take control, resting your mind which in turn rests your body, because if the mind is not controlling the body then the body doesn't feel like it is tiring. Show nested quote +Watch the person, watch it grow and understand and love because with understanding comes love. See the faults and weaknesses in the person and witness the person do their best in this world against their shortcomings, as all people do. Know that what you see in the person is what is in all people, that we are all the watcher and we are all struggling to understand and love ourselves. And through this learn to love all people and be released from negativity. This is really sublime insight. I would ask what motivated you to begin when there are all these distractions? How do you focus on long-term fulfillment instead of instant or shorter-term satisfaction? I feel like an instant gratification junkie, never sober enough where I can actually muster enough willpower to even BEGIN to move toward fulfillment. And when I do it is a short-lived effort. I had thoughts about the concept of an "oversoul" recently. I thought I may write a blog about it but I don't think it would be the best place for it as I'm not sure I want to talk about it beyond mentioning the idea. Let's pretend that humans have souls that are separate due to the separation of consciousness from each body to the next. The goal of each soul is to grow and develop into something stronger and greater than it is. Now there is also an oversoul, which I'll call "the collective group of souls within an arbitrarily defined area like a star system or galaxy, which remain separated by consciousness but are connected by the sub/unconscious." If all the souls in the oversoul were to suddenly realize, unconditionally, that they are connected to each other in every way, the result would be the oversoul. So the oversoul's goal is, much like its separate souls, to grow and develop into something stronger and greater than it is. How it does this is by the interactions the subsouls (=souls) have on the whole. People like Buddha (if he existed) and Ghandi and Hitler, Tutankhamen and da Vinci, Pope Boniface VIII and Galileo Galilei have made large impacts on the collective experience in this realm. It is the growth of individual souls that both impacts and creates growth in the oversoul. So this kind of quality of life is something we should all be striving for, for if we believe in souls, the apparent best way to grow is by impacting the oversoul.
Hitler? He killed families for no reason. William Blake says "if others were not foolish then we should be so" or somthing..so maybe that would be "the over souls" intent with that person? Because if there were an over mind or something it'd have intent I think.
But Buddhism in my understanding would inherently disagree with this idea because one of the core ideas is that there is no good or bad to be reached because everythign is already perfect. *shrug* i only care about this stuff occasionally.
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