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woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
August 12 2013 13:20 GMT
#21
That moment when you just pray your supports just buys a courier, not even wards. And they dont
I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
August 12 2013 13:30 GMT
#22
I thought I was at the very bottom of the MMR pool. But even I havent seen dagon KOTL and 6 crys PA... Its ridiculous that the system punishes you so hard for playing a specific role
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 12 2013 13:46 GMT
#23
On August 12 2013 14:42 5-s wrote:
There's no such thing as support until you're consistently very high bracket, sorry to say it. And believe me, any of the "hard support" players on even mediocre teams will get to very high extremely easily not by playing "full support", but by either getting kills or farming.

Even in high I get supports that genuinely support.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
August 12 2013 14:52 GMT
#24
it's funny when you play single draft / random draft and everyone decides to pick hard carry instead of building a good team comp. dota isnt very fun when you don't have a party. what's your steam id?!
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 12 2013 14:53 GMT
#25
On August 12 2013 23:52 Metal[x] wrote:
it's funny when you play single draft / random draft and everyone decides to pick hard carry instead of building a good team comp. dota isnt very fun when you don't have a party. what's your steam id?!


This is why I quit Dota recently, no friends who play the game makes it one of the most frustrating experiences I have ever been a part of.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 15:09:31
August 12 2013 15:15 GMT
#26
On August 12 2013 23:53 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 23:52 Metal[x] wrote:
it's funny when you play single draft / random draft and everyone decides to pick hard carry instead of building a good team comp. dota isnt very fun when you don't have a party. what's your steam id?!


This is why I quit Dota recently, no friends who play the game makes it one of the most frustrating experiences I have ever been a part of.


This is how I feel. Theres just not enough english speakers playing on SEA at my (very low) level. I feel like I'm just gonna have to give up playing dota
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 12 2013 17:53 GMT
#27
@OP seems like the obvious (if painful for your goal) solution is to get good at one or two carries and just farm your way back into high before you start playing support again. Otherwise you will probably never reach your "appropriate" mmr.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 12 2013 18:23 GMT
#28
On August 12 2013 22:20 woreyour wrote:
That moment when you just pray your supports just buys a courier, not even wards. And they dont

You don’t play with me enough. I will buy courier and wards all day if you give me Visage. I don’t need anything but that and maybe some better boots until the match gets going. Supports who steal farm are just confused and think they can do something productive with the Dagon they are going to buy.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
August 12 2013 19:28 GMT
#29
plansix wanna play?! :D
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5257 Posts
August 13 2013 11:00 GMT
#30
If you haven't really broken into very high, you can't really have good expectations of your team, OR of yourself. I'm like mid-very-high and I still get games with no wards bought lvl 1, tri lanes that don't understand double-pulling or zoning off laners etc. The thing is, the only constant in these games is yourself. Even if you think you are playing an awesome support and it's your team that doesn't know how to play, there are 100s of little things that you could've done better. Maybe it would've resulted in a win, maybe it was unwinnable. But if you are truly playing to improve yourself you can only focus on the constants, not the uncontrollable variables.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Coledash
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland23 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:16:54
August 13 2013 19:14 GMT
#31
On August 13 2013 20:00 EchelonTee wrote:
If you haven't really broken into very high, you can't really have good expectations of your team, OR of yourself. I'm like mid-very-high and I still get games with no wards bought lvl 1, tri lanes that don't understand double-pulling or zoning off laners etc. The thing is, the only constant in these games is yourself. Even if you think you are playing an awesome support and it's your team that doesn't know how to play, there are 100s of little things that you could've done better. Maybe it would've resulted in a win, maybe it was unwinnable. But if you are truly playing to improve yourself you can only focus on the constants, not the uncontrollable variables.


This is so much true.

OP, if I understood you right your goal was to learn, not win games. If pro support players would have been in your position, do you think they would have had any problems taking out the "horrible players who are for no good reason in my matchmaking game"?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 13 2013 19:46 GMT
#32
Supporting in pubs needs some serious masochism unless you're in the upper area of very high. =P

Supporting in tmm however... just needs a bit of masochism. <3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
August 14 2013 09:00 GMT
#33
On August 14 2013 04:46 r.Evo wrote:
Supporting in pubs needs some serious masochism unless you're in the upper area of very high. =P

Supporting in tmm however... just needs a bit of masochism. <3


Not really. Just be a hero with a stun (supports without stuns pretty much suck in pubs with only a few exceptions) and walk around on the map slaying people. The lower MMR you are the lesser the chance of wards that spot you. Make sure to ping a lot before going because pub players who are farming rarely notice anything else. If people don't follow up on your stuns, start trashtalking (if you're into that) and tell yourself your team sucked when you lose. It helps.

I only play real support (you know wards, runes, all that jazz) for people I stack with or for players who communicate with me in a positive manner in game. And carry players, it's not much. "Pull plz," "tango plz." Little things that show you're aware about the game and are trying to win.

But the real secret is to just play and have fun, then the wins come on their own. IMO obsessing too much about matchmaking only makes you mad, and mad people play like shit. That is fundamental truth.
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