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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 18 2013 17:17 GMT
#1
Hey TL, I'm a bit confused.

      Right now, as I write this blog, I'm reading The Counterfeiters by Gide. After reading about 17 books this summer, and I'm hoping to read about 21 before returning to school where my reading will slow to a book a week rather than 2-3, most likely, I have realized that great books often have great prose. The prose in the Le Monde Top 100 books list + the extra books I read tends to be different in a couple ways, and I'm confused on how to construct tight or natural-feeling prose like that in these books.

      In some of the books, the prose is archaic. In the The Counterfeiters the prose feels tight, somewhat archaic, and absurdly formal for a ragtag group of kids who can't be more than 18 and just raped some girl (I think? I'm only 30 pages in...). The prose in these books, books that tend to feel ultra-formal, exact a clenching, rough touch on my reading; this kind of prose makes me yearn for latitude, and maybe a little less exactitude. The formality isn't just constraining on the reader, it's constraining on the prose. The feel is more like Oulipo constrained writing, or poetic constraint, except that the constraint occurs because of societal considerations rather than just a choice to constrain oneself. I can appreciate this writing, but I don't want to write "in this manner" - yeah imagine someone saying that constantly instead of "like that" - because it makes the reader feel tense all the time, or at least that's the effect it has on me.

      In some of the books, the prose is modern (or ultra-modern if you're David Foster Wallace or Tao Lin). The text feels casual at some points, tense in others, and has a range of emotions and voices that permeate the characters. I enjoy this style more, but it seems so much harder to pull off. The grammar-engineering, the novel style of constructing the novel to interrupt the linearity of it (whether by end note or by asterisk), and even the emotional aspect of the text seem either too simple or too difficult to pull off. In truth, this style seems more for the genius, and less for the experiencialist. Creating prose in the transgressive or post-modern (is it dead yet? Like for real?) style seems so much more fun, but so much more difficult to create exactly what I want. I'm not even talking about adding Oulipo levels of constraint to my writing.


      Often times I find that while writing in my journal of ideas for a book, I think of brilliant scenes that could be tear-jerking or cathartic or befuddling or what have you; just as often, I have no idea how I'd write the prose to convey the emotions that surround the images of said scenes in my head. I'm just confused. It seems that all the authors I've read have figured it out. How do I figure it out.


Also, I'll make a real 4k blog soon, when I'm back from Las Vegas. 'Till then, I'd like to thank Micronesia for just generally being a great guy to me; I really appreciate it Micro . I'd like to thank all the helpful people who comment in my blogs with help or suggestions. Also, special thanks to AuirZ for telling me about Tao Lin (I think that was you) and for suggesting poetry books for me :D. I'll do a real 4k blog soon, but yeah, this will work for now haha.

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AiurZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States429 Posts
July 19 2013 09:33 GMT
#2
writing-editing-rewriting helps you get a feel for prose

reading too, because you can sort of feel like you know what you what to do by having read things before

a lot of times ill read something and think "i want to write something like that" so i do

just write a lot, re-write a lot, and keep trying to improve, your own taste/style will guide u and emerge eventually

i feel unhappy about everything i write to the point of anxiety towards sharing it, other people reading it, etc., i think this is normal if you feel it. i usually feel hopeless and shitty, i almost never feel positively towards writing, towards what i write, towards the act of writing, always lost and never sure what i am doing. i think that this is normal and ok and that this is what humans feel.

just write. write good or something.
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Japhybaby
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 13:34:09
July 19 2013 13:33 GMT
#3
Just cut out everything that is not completely necessary. Do not write something you cannot verify to be true, or at least true enough.

I think your writing is ok. Know why you write what you write. That will help you decide how to structure the piece.

Some of your sentences are difficult to read and interpret. Make them simpler and easier to follow. Tell us what you mean truly.

Unless you have a reason to write with language that is beautiful, your prose ought to just say what it means.
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T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
July 19 2013 18:00 GMT
#4
I think the benefit of "absurdly formal" prose, when used by a talented writer, is that it allows extremely precise expression of ideas. Very formal-sounding writing frequently uses unusual verbiage and constructions, which makes it sound unnatural unless it's coming from a highly educated character. You might notice that Dickens' books often feature a narrator and characters that either are or become highly educated at some point, so that his wit and formality come off as being more natural.

I think that the looser writing style you're talking about requires a narrator that is also a well-developed character of some kind, so that inexact expressions that are common in everyday speech become more meaningful. Mark Twain is brilliant for that sort of thing. He is able to write effectively using a lot of common or "low" wording because the speaker's character adds to the meaning.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 18:57:18
July 19 2013 18:52 GMT
#5
I actually find modern, looser prose some of the easiest prose to write. You can word-vomit all over the place in your natural voice, and it'll all sound passable.

Far harder is producing an engaging style of (more restrictive) writing.

I wish I could explain the difference, but all I can suggest is to try to imitate authors' writing styles. I think you'll find that you gravitate more naturally towards a particular type than the other (more often the natural). Another way to do it is to just put yourself in the shoes of some characters and just word-vomit a scene from their POV (either in third-limited for first-person). It'll give you a better grasp on creating different voices.

EDIT: I actually just went back through my story file to find examples, and I stumbled upon an 11k word long short story that I apparently wrote last September; I have absolutely no memory of writing it ... funny how that happens. You exorcise a story, and it just disappears from your brain.
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