• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:12
CEST 13:12
KST 20:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup5StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)67Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2316
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? October World Ranking: herO stays #1, ByuN returns
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Fantasy returning? Sagi.gg Launcher Released Bot on ladder BSL Season 23 BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9442 users

Zerg player, need some advice!

Blogs > JayGG
Post a Reply
JayGG
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United Kingdom11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 02:34:51
June 08 2013 01:28 GMT
#1
Hi guys,

Not entirely new to RTS games but the majority of my experience lies in MOBAs currently so I'm essentially learning SC2 from the ground up.

Zerg appeals to my passive-aggressive playstyle, plus I have a love for Beinlings so it seemed like the perfect match!

Would anybody be able to help me improve at all? I get stomped (7 minute games) in unranked games and can't seem to get a win against Hard AI so I'm struggling a bit!

If you'd like some replays I have every game I've ever played saved so feel free to ask and I'll link them all in here!

Thanks in advance,
Jay.

EDIT:

BnetID: JayGG#2275

Replays: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/103048532/JayGG Zerg Games.zip

Replays are 2 AI matches and my latest ZvP (loss) match!



LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
June 08 2013 01:44 GMT
#2
You should go ahead and post your replays here, I dunno if I have the time to look at them right now, but I'm sure someone will if the links are there .
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
June 08 2013 02:17 GMT
#3
you should post your bnet ID/char code!
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
JayGG
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United Kingdom11 Posts
June 08 2013 02:30 GMT
#4
Whoops, sorry guys. Forgot there was a BnetID, used to just usernames. Updating the OP with it and a few replays
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 03:25:37
June 08 2013 03:24 GMT
#5
Gave your ZvP game a watch, some comments:

Opening:
You kind of pause at 13 food without producing/doing anything, going up to around 400 minerals, I think you were controlling your drone scout and forgot to produce while that was happening. Most openings in ZvP, you should produce drones up until 14 or 15 food and then build a pool, then expand a little afterwards.

General Mechanics:
Your macro is probably the biggest area that needs work here, which makes sense since you're coming from a MOBA background. Zerg centers around powering your economy with drone and larvae counts.

-Sometimes it's a general issue of being inefficient and not producing more workers or units when you have both the money and the larvae (eg: the issue with your opening). You can work on this by practicing "cycling" - it's a concept that Day9 introduces in one of his introduction to SC2 videos (don't remember which episode, if I remember I'll link it later), but it essentially means that you should try to be mindful of all the things you need to constantly be doing and "cycle" through them constantly via things like hotkeys. So, to avoid forgetting drone production while controlling a scout, you might "cycle" through your hatchery hotkey and your drone hotkey jumping back and forth between the two so that you remember to build drones ASAP when new larvae are available while at the same time making sure your drone is scouting.

-Injects. Injects is key for zerg macro, and throughout that game, I counted maybe five injects you did total in a 19 minute game. I recommend hotkeying all of your queens to include them in your cycle, and there are a number of little techniques that people use to do injections at all your hatcheries extremely quickly and efficiently. Here's the most recent one.

More Specific Issues:

-Why you lost:
Primary factor for the loss was that you didn't have enough gas. You were banking huuuge amounts of minerals: by 9:30 you have over 2800 minerals, and by the end of the game you had around 15000 minerals. The whole game, you only had one geyser mining - you built two more through the course of the game, but never put drones in them to mine, and even ordered a drone off the one extractor you had so that you only had 2/3 drones mining one extractor out of 3 bases. Meant that you didn't have gas to build corrupters, infestors, or hydras, all answers against the protoss' air units. Timings on when you should get gas vary depending upon what you want to do/what you need to do in response to what your opponent is doing, but as a general rule, definitely get more gas when you're running more than a 3:1 ratio of minerals to gas. But because you were so gas starved, you could only make zerglings, which can't attack air and aren't good against zealots unless you have enough of them, but because you didn't have enough injects, you didn't have enough larvae to really build enough lings to beat the zealots.

Another recommendation: sometimes it's hard to get all those injects, which is understandable. Another way to respond to having such a high mineral bank is to build an extra hatchery or two in your bases, what we call "macro hatcheries." These are solely used for their additional larvae, to help you produce additional units. And if you have, say, 10k minerals, you can definitely spare the 300 minerals for more larvae.

-Army Composition.
Banelings are fun, but they can't shoot up, so you didn't have anything to kill the air units. Furthermore, while you did kill his initial batch of zealots with banelings, you didn't replace those banelings with enough units, so the follow up wave of zealots also finished you. First, in general, roaches would probably be a better bet against zealots. Your roach warren was extremely late (~16:00) and you didn't build any. Hydras also could have taken care of the air units, and you had a hydra den relatively early that game compared to the rest of things that you got, but you only started production when the protoss was already pushing in and by then it was too late/you didn't have enough gas to make a sizable enough force because of the aforementioned gas issue.

-Tech.
Get upgrades for your units! You didn't build/use any evolution chambers that game (and not having gas would also limit you in this area).

Hope the comments help!
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
JayGG
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United Kingdom11 Posts
June 08 2013 11:28 GMT
#6
Llama thank you so much.

I was watching the WCS a few days back and realised that my macro was horrendous compared to the pros, i'd get stuck at 3k minerals (like you said) and not really do much with them.

I'll take what you said into account, for the macro and microing side, and link back a few replays in a day or so once I've tried it all out.

Thank you again
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19:00
Weekly #149 (SHIN Mod Edition)
Krystianer vs YoungYakovLIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings161
CranKy Ducklings SOOP21
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 11735
Britney 7292
FanTaSy 2054
Hyuk 880
Horang2 595
BeSt 458
Stork 257
Pusan 254
EffOrt 132
Killer 130
[ Show more ]
Zeus 123
Last 121
Mind 109
sorry 69
Hyun 61
Mini 58
PianO 53
ggaemo 52
Snow 47
ToSsGirL 35
Bale 32
Hm[arnc] 27
JYJ 25
Aegong 17
zelot 13
Sacsri 10
Noble 5
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Dota 2
XcaliburYe326
Counter-Strike
fl0m1241
byalli792
x6flipin271
Other Games
gofns30933
singsing2796
B2W.Neo404
ArmadaUGS89
Mew2King69
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick717
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream78
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 9
• FirePhoenix6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
49m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 351
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
3h 49m
MilkiCow vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
BSL Open Qualifier
7h 49m
BSL Open Qualifier
7h 49m
Replay Cast
11h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
22h 49m
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
23h 49m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 22h
Soma vs Soulkey
[ Show More ]
INu's Battles
1d 23h
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.