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RHWY
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Ireland43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 12:02:26
May 16 2013 12:01 GMT
#1
Sportsmanship/Behaviour

The storylines in esports are most vibrant and potent when the players themselves are the focal point. This is where fans are spoilt for choice. There are a multitude of players with various personalities as well as public persona's (some of which do not mirror each other). Players in esports as well as any other mainstream sport can be the subject of round the clock virtual paparazzi. A guaranteed way of remaining ‘relevant’ is to stand out from the crowd and either exude a nonchalant demeanour, overtly well-mannered personality or conversely a bad mannered trash talking player. There are a lot of different facets to this and people can fall into different personality spectrum's. Love them or hate them these people are the most talked about and most sought after. They single-handedly can write headlines through what they do, what they say and also what they don’t do or say. They are marketable commodities that appeal to the instant gratification market segment that primarily are the most vocal.

There is nothing untoward with this type of culture. Esports is perfectly structured to accentuate this effect. In fact the difference in players and how they mix in situations is what makes sport dynamic and interesting, capturing the attention of the audience. When people tune in to watch an esports personality that they know, they can be reasonably certain of what to expect. More often than not you will know in advance that the player will act a certain way and say certain things. For the mannered player you do not tune in to watch something sensational and out of character. Any deviation from this player’s perceived persona will make headlines as it ticks the ‘out of character’ box. On the other side of the personality spectrum you have players that attract different types of people. While most people will take time to cheer a player in their endeavours, some will congregate awaiting majorly controversial sound bites. It is only a matter of time before something newsworthy will come along usually the result of a poor lapse in judgement. The only thing better than a winner is a winner with a blatant disregard for the rules. A lot of fans are looking for entertainment and those players that can fill this niche tend to get more exposure regardless of skill level. Once again this is not a slight on the players but merely an observation on the state of the industry.

As esports becomes more and more global, it garners increased popularity and coverage. With this added exposure we will have an ever growing cultural melting pot. Generally this is excellent for a growing sport to increase notoriety but with this influx comes problems. How do we expect people that are not familiar with ‘our’ culture to act and how tolerant are we when faced with theirs. To take it down one social level, how tolerant and understanding are we of people’s individual preferences and subsequent actions.

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Incidentally there needs to be lines drawn in the sand that outline the differences between professionalism and individual behavioural quirks. An amalgamation of the two above statements loosely fit into the ‘sportsmanship’ bracket. Players from certain regions and dispositions will have their own interpretations of what exactly is acceptable. Some players will uphold vintage ideals of sportsmanship while others will hold true to zany personal notions. There can be no middle ground as long as some people believe they already stand on the high ground. There has been a call recently for more trash talk to occur, a throwback to a competitive scene that was equal parts raw and exciting. While there is no need to facilitate monkish behaviour we can instead create an environment that adheres to some principals of sportsmanship while not inhibiting the player’s personalities.

For a lot of top athletes competitiveness and sportsmanship can sometimes conflict with each other. It is the job of one side to make the other side the loser. Sport is just about winning. Some studies have shown that the higher the level of an athlete the lower the emphasis of sportsmanship over success. For many top players success is something that they will use to define themselves. Winning and success can be used to validate feelings of self-worth. Perhaps the initial emotional trauma affects confidence to such an extent that until an extenuation for losing can be attributed, potential ramifications of perceived negative behaviour cannot be processed in real time. There are a lot of cases of retrospective remorse that occur publicly usually accompanied with a heavy slap on the wrist or monetary fine. The player appears remorseful, apologises for inappropriate behaviour that disrespects the sport, the team and the fans. With the advent of twitter, facebook and other instant social media platforms the chances of something controversial not being noticed is so minuscule. As previously stated, players should not have their individuality dampened but they should be held accountable for their actions and ability to uphold a basic semblance of respect and sportsmanship.

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*When an unreturned handshake causes so much discussion there is obviously something wrong. Generally the loser may view the handshake as bad mannered and some people believe the onus is on the loser to instigate the handshake. There should be no distinction between winning and losing. If you play against someone that you can walk to after a match then you have the option to shake their hand. If you are of the disposition whereby you do not shake hands after a match and your opponent approaches you then you should return his gesture, out of respect. If you don’t agree with other peoples customs you should at the very least respect the person.

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Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 16 2013 12:55 GMT
#2
As a big MMA fan I agree. If you can shake someone's hand after they literally kicked your fucking head in, you can do it after a game of StarCraft.

Not particularly talking about Naniwa, it's not that big a deal. It's kind of a shame that the SC community feeds off drama so much. More emphasis on that than the game sometimes.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
May 16 2013 13:31 GMT
#3
I wonder if Totally.Not.EG.NaNiwa.RC will read this.
RHWY
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Ireland43 Posts
May 16 2013 13:35 GMT
#4
On May 16 2013 22:31 Netsky wrote:
I wonder if Totally.Not.EG.NaNiwa.RC will read this.


IF he did, it is not a piece on what he did wrong, moreso on what he can do better next time.
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ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
May 16 2013 14:35 GMT
#5
I'm pretty sure Naniwa can't read, he dropped out of school for SC2.

User was temp banned for this post.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
May 16 2013 15:34 GMT
#6
On May 16 2013 23:35 ne0lith wrote:
I'm pretty sure Naniwa can't read, he dropped out of school for SC2.

User was temp banned for this post.


Stop being ignorant, he even reads German fluently
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Mefaso
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany27 Posts
May 16 2013 15:57 GMT
#7
On May 17 2013 00:34 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:35 ne0lith wrote:
I'm pretty sure Naniwa can't read, he dropped out of school for SC2.

User was temp banned for this post.


Stop being ignorant, he even reads German fluently


Well, to read a language fluently you only have to know how to pronounce it, reading and understanding are two different things.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 16:01:37
May 16 2013 16:01 GMT
#8
On May 17 2013 00:57 Mefaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:34 Facultyadjutant wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:35 ne0lith wrote:
I'm pretty sure Naniwa can't read, he dropped out of school for SC2.

User was temp banned for this post.


Stop being ignorant, he even reads German fluently


Well, to read a language fluently you only have to know how to pronounce it, reading and understanding are two different things.


He can read German

Reading

As in reading a book

Not ''he can read German out-loud''
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 16 2013 16:55 GMT
#9
Well written and well put.
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HeavyCross
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada21 Posts
May 16 2013 17:15 GMT
#10
I do believe there is a distinction between bad sportsmanship, and friendly BM. Naniwa not shaking Vortix's hand after that game is definitely leaning toward the bad sportsmanship side
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#11
Very good article/blog.

Completely agree with everything, especially the last paragraph.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 16 2013 19:29 GMT
#12
I took the meaning of your title completely differently, as in: We will tolerate any amount of bullshit as long as you are successful.

Sounds about right.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Sekijitsu
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States47 Posts
May 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#13
This year during the Masters final round, Adam Scott and Angel Cabrerra conducted themselves with real sportsmanship. They clapped for each other, acknowledged good shots, and in the end embraced each other in mutual recognition of the good job they both had done to get to that point.

I always love to see two competitors going head to head (or team to team) that respect the game they are playing as well as one another. It makes me happy as a fan to see that kind of thing.
"Yield and overcome; Bend and be straight; Empty and be full; Wear out and be new; Have little and gain; Have much and be confused" - Lao Tsu
Volsere
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland5 Posts
May 17 2013 11:30 GMT
#14
On May 17 2013 00:57 Mefaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:34 Facultyadjutant wrote:
On May 16 2013 23:35 ne0lith wrote:
I'm pretty sure Naniwa can't read, he dropped out of school for SC2.

User was temp banned for this post.


Stop being ignorant, he even reads German fluently


Well, to read a language fluently you only have to know how to pronounce it, reading and understanding are two different things.



I can't even believe this post lmao
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