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The feeling of wanting to die - being suicidal

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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:22:10
April 22 2013 22:13 GMT
#1
Hello, before i begin i want to start of saying that while i am feeling bad i am in no immediate danger of killing myself, i will explain why further down. This is also not a way to gain any form of sympathy, it is however slightly therapeutic for myself to write about this for the first time and also maybe an interesting discussion of what i am about to write.

Background - why am i suicidal?(can be skipped)

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Almost six years ago i moved to a different country(Norway) to live with my girlfriend. I graduated from college last summer(June 2012) while in autumn 2011 our first child, a daughter, was born. Now the main issue is that i have been unemployed since i graduated. At first i was just home with my daughter until she got into kindergarden(have to wait in queue for a spot, takes a while) and she didn´t get in until January 2013, so up until then i wasn´t able to work, i had to be home with her.

We moved to a different city the summer i graduated and my girlfriend got a job fairly quickly(working in IT, she has a masters degree). After my daughter started kindergarden i simply put was looking for a job. I have a bachelors in various media stuff so i was looking for anything like that, design, producing, holding a mic - whatever, anything i was qualified for. The city we live in is a bit smaller then the capitol where we lived earlier, Oslo. And needless to say it´s in Oslo my entire industry operates and i even had an internship for six months during college at one of the best VFX studios and i am quite sure i could´ve landed a job there once i graduated had i still lived there. This has made me hate the decision to move her but also made me hate my stupid decision of going into media, i should´ve gone into comp sci or some other IT stuff.

So i didn´t get a job, and weeks turned into months - still no job. People didn´t reject me based on qualification it was simply that the few small businesses that did what i was qualified to do, weren´t hiring and the market wasn´t that big here. Now anyone who has been unemployed, and doesn´t want to be unemployed, knows that it sucks. After a while you feel terrible, you feel like a burden to your family and your self confidence starts to slip away(mine is completely gone by now). My girlfriend has been working all through my college period since she was done with her masters and scored a nice job asap. I like to believe we just about did 50/50 on the bills at this time since i worked part time and had student loans and scholarship that went to just living simply put. However when we had to travel and such she would chip in more since i simply wasn´t very able to. As such she has been semi supporting me for pretty much our entire relationship. She has atleast made the most money so to say.

Now, i understand her when she says that she has difficulty dealing with being with someone who's unemployed, she struggles to cope with it, it annoys her and whatnot. I get this, it would annoy me to probably. However, when we argue, and we argue more and more about me not having a job the longer time goes on, it's like that Dane Cook clip about women being brain ninjas. She loses all sense of restraint and just says a bunch of stuff, hurtfull things that degrade me and stomps on my confidence(she knows i feel like shit for being unemployed for instance) and i know she doesn´t mean these things, i say stupid shit when i´m angry too. But the problem is i have started to believe these things she says. Just tonight she said that she was ashamed of me infront of her coworkers and lies to them saying i have a job, when i infact don´t. This hurt, tremendously. Hearing that the one you love is ashamed of you, that they lie about who you are - that's just killer.

I already feel like her entire family(whom we spend a lot of time with) thinks i´m a useless piece of shit for being unemployed. All of these feelings now got "verified" in my mind and i feel even more like garbage. My self confidence is just rock bottom. So in short i feel useless, like a burden and us arguing doesn´t really help either, infact it makes it ten times worse since i feel so guilty affecting my family with it and all that. If i was single and had no kid this wouldn´t bring me down this much. But the guilt coupled with everything else has just destroyed me and i have constant anxiety, can´t sleep and i don´t want to socialize either since i feel that everyone just thinks i´m a useless piece of shit. I also have no friends whatsoever since i went to college far away by commute so i didn't socialize much(2,5 hours by train - one way) and i´m not home in Sweden much so all my friends there have simply moved on and faded away from my radar.

The good news is that this is an easy fix, i am very certain that once i get a job i will feel a lot better and the arguing will stop. Just today i´ve applied for four jobs so i am fairly active in the job hunt and have lowered my standards considerably, i´m just one step away from scrubbing toilets. Yet i have done this for some time now and still no job which kills me. Now i am not some conspiracy theorist thinking the entire world is against me, the government sucks, recession is at fault bla bla etc, i know i will eventually get a job. I just need to get a little bit lucky and have them pick up my application out of 50 applications.


The feeling of wanting to die

I've always been of those that consider suicide to be a selfish way out, always thinking and believing that no matter how hard things get, how bad you might feel, that death will not solve anything but only cause misery for your loved ones.

Now as mentioned in the background part, i´ve been feeling very very bad for a long period of time and an argument with my girlfriend triggered this in me for real, for the first time about three weeks ago but also tonight after yet another argument. First i will try to explain how this felt and the morbid fascination i have for it but also what made me feel a lot better.

First of all, imagine you have a knot in your stomach, a problem brewing(you have an important assignment due tomorrow which you´re gonna fail since you procastrinated, your car is broken and you dont have the cash to fix it etc) and multiply that a few times and that´s a depression. Now imagine the feeling we´ve all had when this weight disappears, the problem is solved and all the weight comes of your shoulders. The feeling of relief when your'e done with your university exams and you did fine, now comes summer holidays for a while - that feeling. Now, when i thought of killing myself this feeling came to me. Like a calm breeze it swept over me, the feeling that this would end all the pain and all my problems. I would finally be "free", and after constant anxiety and worrying this was a great feeling to have.

Normally when i have thought the thought "maybe i should just kill myself" a couple of "defenses" have always turned up in my mind. The strongest being that this would affect my daughter(she's 1,5 years old). Not that i won't see her again for my own sake(thinking of oneself is the first thing that goes away so to say) but more for her sake, that i would cause her pain. And as anyone that´s a parent can attest you cannot even bear the thought of causing your child pain, even the mere thought hurts you almost physically - it's that strong. However what made me realize that i was in bad shape was that when i thought of this affecting my daughter - i felt nothing. I did not feel this pain or empathy for her. It was just nothing, i did not care. I cared in a logical sense but emotionally there was nothing. Hence this "line of defense" was gone.

Then there is logic. Now i imagine if some people do not have a very strong logical sense that when the first lines, the emotional lines fail then they act upon their impulse. However mine hasn´t failed me yet.

So as i was sitting here, emotionally trashed and weirdly aware of my situation somehow logic came into play to stop me from doing anything. There was a logical voice in my head just going "you actually enjoy living even if you don´t feel like it now". And i truly did not feel like living atm, all the joys of life just made me feel nothing. I was still feeling terrible, i was still getting the feeling and sensation of relief thinking about it and i wanted nothing but the pain to end, but the reasoning made sense. I do normally enjoy living, i know i do i just can´t feel it right at this moment. It's logical hence it must be true.

So i started googling along the lines "how to let someone know you're suicidal" - something like that. Since i felt that i had to talk to someone about this but i wasn´t sure how to do so, internet to the rescue. And it did in fact turn out to be an actual rescue. The site that gave me comfort was this: http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ it's just a short post but it's very non emotional, it´s a bunch of logical arguments and statements. The first thing that started to ease it over was this passage:

Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.

That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could.


This talked to the logical sense i had a few moments before and it built on it, so being suicdal doesn´t neccessarilly mean i want to die? Everything piling up also made sense. That helped a lot and i connected that to my logical voice so to say since it was still there and this part also connected how that reasoning in my mind had gone "i dont want to live right now but i normaly enjoy living"

The post then continues with a few more arguments about why you shouldn´t kill yourself and what sealed it for me was this:

People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.

Again, logic. When i read this i sorta woke up. I was still feeling bad, i still felt suicidal but my "emotional defense" came right back. Sure killing myself would end the pain, but i would not be around to feel the relief now would i? I literally said this to myself in my head going "my god, that i actually didn´t think about that, how stupid of me".


Now was this page worded this way on purpose, to intentionally avoid all the "oh but you have so much to live for!" crap and instead speak to a persons logical sense? Does everyone have this logical and rational voice of reason in the back of their heads but it simply doesn´t always shout louder then the emotional one?

I am quite fascinated by the split in my mind on this. How one part has all but abandoned hope yet through sheer reasoning self preservation prevails. Because if this logical sense or voice or whatever you prefer to call it would not exist, i am fairly certain something would have happened to me or rather me to myself. Whether it´d be an attempt to simply get attention or to actually end things i am not sure but i am sure of the fact that yes, something would have happened. One can also discuss that i really don´t want to die based on this voice which is obvious, i don´t want to die, nobody actually wants to stop living. But at times it feels like it´s the only way out.

So here i am, still feeling like killing myself, albeit a bit less then before emotionally so to say, but the logic in my mind is strong and prevents me from doing it which again is morbidly fascinating. Writing this felt good, it´s the first time i actually mention it to anyone, even if it's just strangers on the internet, so thank you for reading.

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where
Profile Joined February 2011
144 Posts
April 22 2013 23:07 GMT
#2
Hang in there man. A prominent theme in Miyazaki's films is that "as long as you are alive, there is hope".

Here's a suggestion. Get out a sheet of paper and a pen. Write down a list of everything you need to do, and sort it by difficulty from easiest to hardest. Circle the first thing and ignore everything else on the list. Break this task down into smaller subtasks if you need to. Something simple and achievable, like organizing your space or cleaning your desk. Go do it.

One step at a time. Small victories are important.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
April 22 2013 23:16 GMT
#3
Logical speaking, you might not feel the relief. So you won't be "rewarded", but you also won`t have to suffer anylonger. There is tons of suffering ahead, isn`t the point of suicide to finally end this suffering?

Your Girlfriend seems terrible, your relationship seems to be a nightmare. Calling someone still just girlfriend, even when you have a kid together I find very strange. How can you be ashamed for someone you love???, that does not qualify as love in my book. She seems to be a really uptight person, brainwashed to obey societie's rules.

i don´t want to die, nobody actually wants to stop living.


To me, these are two very different things. I am not that afraid of dying, I am afraid of not living, because you can be alive and be already dead inside. This comes very close to the feeling of nothingness you describe.

I think there are terrible hard decisions ahead of you. You might wanna think about finding someone who really loves you, and staying together for the sake of your daughter won`t be good for her either. You might have to move to a place where you can find a decent job.

My personal experience: When on a train station, get a little closer to the rails, wait for the train, and in that very moment, you won`t need a logical voice, you will most likely realise that suicide is just not an option.

If you can establish that suicide is not an option, you start to make the transition. When I lost everything, everyone and all beliefs, I started to finally respect myself again. I realised something about the depressing social form we humans decided to live in together, all they can take away from you is your life. There is nothing else, you are still you. Respect yourself is what I wanna say, learn to love yourself and treat yourself as if you were a decent person.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 00:09:43
April 22 2013 23:53 GMT
#4
On April 23 2013 08:16 HaRuHi wrote:
Logical speaking, you might not feel the relief. So you won't be "rewarded", but you also won`t have to suffer anylonger. There is tons of suffering ahead, isn`t the point of suicide to finally end this suffering?


To end it, to get relief both are valid i guess. Many i guess does not actually want to stop living, they just want to feel better - get the pain to go away and suicide is the only way out. I know it´s a bit contradicting but in a weird sense it does make sense that the reward is what you seek, it´s what drew me towards it - to have it all go away. But i won't feel it going away, i´ll be dead hence what´s the point?

Your Girlfriend seems terrible, your relationship seems to be a nightmare. Calling someone still just girlfriend, even when you have a kid together I find very strange. How can you be ashamed for someone you love???, that does not qualify as love in my book. She seems to be a really uptight person, brainwashed to obey societie's rules.


I want to say that this was an argument, us being angry at one another. I wouldn't be with her if i didn´t know that she loved me, i am very sure that she does. However i cannot explain a relationship in a single paragraph, there´s always more to it and then you have her side of it aswell. She has that flaw however, that when she get´s really angry she just loses it verbally. While i tend to just want to walk away when things get too heated which can be equally provoking. But there are always apologies and such from both ends eventually. My situation has also brought out the worst in both of us and it is by far our most trying period in our relationship so far. But i say this because i don´t want you to judge her harshly since she is indeed a nice and wonderful person.

She also doesn´t know i feel this way obviously, i simply cannot find it in me to tell her. Since i feel like im shit for even considering it. Or that it's a distraction from me being a useless piece of shit. And to call her girlfriend, well we aren´t married so wouldn't girlfriend be the term? There's a term for it in norwegian, living together but not married, but i don´t know the english word for it.

If you can establish that suicide is not an option, you start to make the transition. When I lost everything, everyone and all beliefs, I started to finally respect myself again. I realised something about the depressing social form we humans decided to live in together, all they can take away from you is your life. There is nothing else, you are still you. Respect yourself is what I wanna say, learn to love yourself and treat yourself as if you were a decent person.


That last part is the hard part. Thank you for posting.
Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
April 23 2013 02:08 GMT
#5
Maybe you should just start your own business. That way you'd at least be employed.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
April 23 2013 03:42 GMT
#6
i know how you feel... having a job sucks but not having one somehow sucks more and leaves you inexplicably exhausted every night. 4 apps in a day is pretty good though - keep it up. i have no idea how i'd deal with your gf though. her shit is absolutely unnecessary because you're probably harder on yourself than she is. have you considered murder? i'm just kidding, figured you could use some laughs right now. i guess just know that we're cheering for you and hopefully one day you'll see a blog like this and be like 'yea i was in that spot recently, just don't give up and it'll work out!' for the next guy =)))))

gl buddy!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24774 Posts
April 23 2013 04:41 GMT
#7
Damn man, just want to say that your post really got to me. Will have a proper re-read and response tomorrow when I am less fucking knackered
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 23 2013 05:18 GMT
#8
On April 23 2013 11:08 Nymphaceae wrote:
Maybe you should just start your own business. That way you'd at least be employed.


Thought about this but starting a business with no experience, no real contacts and not to mention the money required just feels way too rough of a start.
{Mr.X}
Profile Joined April 2005
United States95 Posts
April 23 2013 05:52 GMT
#9
I found your post to be fascinating, and I sympathize with your difficulty in finding work. It's an unfortunately common problem with our generation, and I hope you know that there are many, many people in your shoes who go on to be just fine.

Keep going. Your work situation will improve, there will always be a need for work to be done on this planet. As long as you're willing and looking, you will eventually find work to do.

We're cheering for you!
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NukeTheStars
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States277 Posts
April 23 2013 06:00 GMT
#10
Life is an amazing gift, my friend. Even a crappy one!

unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 12:36:26
April 23 2013 12:35 GMT
#11
I've gotten a few PM´s with people offering encouraging words and sharing experiences, thank you for those. It is very kind of you. There are also requests that i talk to someone, something i know logicaly makes sense but for whatever reason it feels very hard to do. I feel stupid for feeling this way, i´m not supposed to feel like this is how i experience it. And i am actually afraid of people around me finding out how i feel. It´s hard to describe but... i don´t want to be pitied or treated differently, i don´t want people to treat me like im made of porcelaine(spelling?). And then i'd be the unemployed, depressed and suicidal piece of shit. I normaly do not care what people think of me, i honestly usually couldn´t care less. But the past few months i dread what others think of me for some reason.

It's quite odd really, i know i should talk to somebody but, it feels very uncomfortable to even think the thought of doing so.

And cheers for the Louie CK clip, made me laugh. He always has a few good points on just about anything.
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
April 23 2013 13:59 GMT
#12
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1byxkl/best_option_to_use_to_commit_suicide/

I read the top rated post today and thought it was good(I am not recommending suicide).


You need help man, there is no shame in it. Also, speak to your girlfriend. It's sounds like she is not very supportive, but I'm just going by your blog post.

If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right.

Henry Ford


I use that quote in regards to getting a job or accomplishing life goals, not suicide!

Cultivate healthy habits and seek help..

^_^
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
April 23 2013 19:22 GMT
#13
I thought about making my own company once. We were going to make cardboard space shuttles, and hire people on craigslist. The job minimum requirements for the astronaughts would be just a GED. We would have them sign a waiver before getting into our space shuttle, and then we'd try to send them to space.
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