On April 13 2013 11:05 rezoacken wrote: Today I received an email from the university for a poll regarding gender equality at the university. To answer the poll I must be a woman...
How come they are getting a real study about gender!!S!! equality if they interrogate only half of the studied population ?
PS: and last time I checked there is more women in the university than men... and they are performing better.
LOL. At my school it does seem that there are far more women than men. There is a special women's center on campus. We've had numerous events like "walk a mile in her shoes", "the vagina monologues", and the group "men of strength", where men can show they oppose rape and domestic violence toward women.
@rezoacken: I suspect the poll regarding gender equality was looking to make sure there wasn't an overt discrimination against women at the university. If you have been discriminated against as a woman while being a man I'm sure they'd like to hear your input. If you think that men are being discriminated against, it might be worthwhile to bring up the idea with your school's administration. Given western society's history of oppression of women and not men, though, it doesn't seem at all unreasonable that a poll might specifically be targeted at women.
@Mothra: The reason for these events you're talking about is in part to prevent rape. The easiest way to prevent rapes is to educate people how to not rape, and to change culture so that our ideas of consent, power, and gender dynamics discourages rather than encourages young men to rape. The Vagina Monologues and groups of men who actively show that raping a woman is unmanly are exactly what we need as a society to move towards a better world.
The feminist critique of society doesn't just point out how women are damaged by the system-- it also points out how men are damaged by the system. The way our gender roles exist and the way our society treats men and women differently harms us all. We've made great strides in creating a better world than we've had before-- and perhaps because of these strides, some of the momentum feminism used to have has diminished. The most overt examples of sexism and damaging gender norms (to both men and women) have been eradicated. But there is still much work to do.
Feminism is like many other cultural marxist theories: insidiuous, intended to instigate conflict amongst separate classes and completely unrooted in reality, evidence or reason.
There is every reason to campaign for women's rights, but absolutely none to endorse feminism. I am very happy that many people that I talk to in the real world are beginning to understand this.
@rezoacken: I suspect the poll regarding gender equality was looking to make sure there wasn't an overt discrimination against women at the university. If you have been discriminated against as a woman while being a man I'm sure they'd like to hear your input. If you think that men are being discriminated against, it might be worthwhile to bring up the idea with your school's administration. Given western society's history of oppression of women and not men, though, it doesn't seem at all unreasonable that a poll might specifically be targeted at women.
Oh I understand where they are coming from and I encourage them finding out if there is discrimination against anybody. But I work in statistics, and making a study regarding 2 groups while ignoring one of those group based on an assumption that is 50 to 20 years old... makes no sense to me. This is just not serious work. + Show Spoiler +
I have also to point out that the study is not titled ''discrimination" but "equality", which are very distinct things, discrimination implies an action from somebody that favors one gender over the other while equality is a larger term that does not necessarily involve a malicious action (for example, maths class being 75% men is not equality but this is not due to discrimination, but enough semantics.)
Or... your study is not about gender equality but about "how women feel". I have nothing against that in itself, I'm just tired because I have a feeling how they "feel" will be considered as being the whole picture. It's like breast cancer, the only cancer the university send e-mails for. In my life, I know (personally) one woman that got a breast removed due to cancer at 27, one guy that died from testicles cancer at 22, and my dad got a colon cancer... So you can understand how I really don't understand why the general population walk around with pink signs on their cloth/cars supporting breast cancer when it should be only about cancer in general (at least the most promoted one).
Anyway, don't worry, its not like I'm angry over it. I'm just annoyed because all this feels like another example of people following the mass without really thinking about it. And even more when its at university level.
On April 13 2013 22:35 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote: Feminism is like many other cultural marxist theories: insidiuous, intended to instigate conflict amongst separate classes and completely unrooted in reality, evidence or reason.
There is every reason to campaign for women's rights, but absolutely none to endorse feminism. I am very happy that many people that I talk to in the real world are beginning to understand this.
I don't see what's so insidious about questioning certain cultural norms, the difficulty in finding 'evidence' for such things is that such things are complex and attitudes are influenced by a multitude of influences.
On April 13 2013 22:35 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote: Feminism is like many other cultural marxist theories: insidiuous, intended to instigate conflict amongst separate classes and completely unrooted in reality, evidence or reason.
There is every reason to campaign for women's rights, but absolutely none to endorse feminism. I am very happy that many people that I talk to in the real world are beginning to understand this.
Tell me, what other "cultural marxist theories" are you familiar with?
I know that the UoT protests have been posted here, but idk if this one specifically has.
I don't agree with feminism at all, but I respect their rights to assemble and voice their opinions like everyone else.
What I don't respect is hatemongering cunts like this woman, who haven't the slightest idea that the lack of respect they get isn't because they're a woman but because they're forcing their opinions down others' throats in the most ironic way possible. Ditto for doing it right outside of a men's rights rally.
I don't agree with feminism at all, but I respect their rights to assemble and voice their opinions like everyone else.
What I don't respect is hatemongering cunts like this woman, who haven't the slightest idea that the lack of respect they get isn't because they're a woman but because they're forcing their opinions down others' throats in the most ironic way possible. Ditto for doing it right outside of a men's rights rally.
Although the red-haired woman seems angry her ideas are fine. I don't think prison rape is good, I don't think blaming rape victims is good, I don't think false accusations of rape are good. All of what she said on those subjects is entirely correct. Might she be out of line counter-protesting at some other event? Maybe. But are her ideas seem reasonable to me. The older woman and her friends who argue about the definition of consent seem like they have a good point. The idea that some rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very misleading idea. Like, a LOT of the time, people who are straight-up raped and wait a few days before pressing charges or telling someone are accused of just regretting the sex. The man in the hat calls him out pretty hard when he asks him, "have you ever seen that happen?"
Basically, it's an idea that's used to silence and shame rape victims, and although the feminists didn't articulate that idea particularly well, I doubt I'd be able to do so if I were in an emotional state protesting against people who I thought were actively (if unintentionally) promoting rape culture.
In any case, although that interaction looks emotionally charged for sure, I think it's highly inappropriate to refer to these people as "hatemongering cunts" and unbecoming of your standing as my friend and a fellow member of TL. Cunt is a word that is used to remove power from women, and using it specifically to denigrate feminists should be below you, man. Think about what you say before you say it.
EDIT: I'll also note that counter-protest is a legitimate form of expression. When the Westboro Baptist Church came to my high school in the wake of a suicide to protest, we organized a counter-protest and sang songs of love and unity to drown out their hate and disrespect. If I were a woman with skin in the game and had been, or knew people who had been, raped, and I saw the MRA movement as promoting rape culture (intentionally or not) I am absolutely sure I'd be there counter-protesting.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are leeches in the system, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly believe you are locked in a titanic struggle for your ideas or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on. Also, because of the way the US justice system works, the typical outcome of a false claim of rape is "no outcome", whereas the typical outcome of an unreported rape is "someone has been raped"
Most of the feminists I know (myself included) do not deny the truth of the fact that there are false claims of rape. But, just like the truth that there were black men who were racist against white men in like 1970 or whatever, it's like super irrelevant compared to other things going on.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are Welfare Queens, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly belief you are locked in a titanic struggle for your beliefs or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on.
While I agree with your general sentiment, I do not think declaring it a "profoundly tiny problem" is all that fair. If we are talking national Feminism, the sort that is so zoomed out so as to render its members mere numbers, then I guess it applies. But when you tell a man who is serving a prison sentence or is unable to get a job due to a wrongful felony sexual assault conviction that his is a "profoundly small problem", you are discounting a great deal of the philosophical and ethical underpinnings of authentic Feminism.
My point is that Feminism is, in part, about demystifying cultural norms and breaking them down, and to then suggest that a cultural norm posited by Feminism is then somehow able to rely on typicality when others are not is silly.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are Welfare Queens, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly belief you are locked in a titanic struggle for your beliefs or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on.
While I agree with your general sentiment, I do not think declaring it a "profoundly tiny problem" is all that fair. If we are talking national Feminism, the sort that is so zoomed out so as to render its members mere numbers, then I guess it applies. But when you tell a man who is serving a prison sentence or is unable to get a job due to a wrongful felony sexual assault conviction that his is a "profoundly small problem", you are discounting a great deal of the philosophical and ethical underpinnings of authentic Feminism.
I'm gonna be real here, wrongful conviction sucks. People get railroaded all the time and it's bullshit. That being said, it literally is true that the human suffering caused by wrongful rape convictions in the US is like way less than the human suffering caused by rape. I don't think I'm discounting any philosophical and ethical underpinnings of any legitimate sort by saying that it's not unreasonable to try to deal with rape culture and not devote effort to dealing with the very small number of people who falsely get accused of rape.
E: It's also worth noting that "helping people who get falsely accused of rape" is probably just under the umbrella category of like civil liberties and stuff, since it's probably more helpful to handle it as a reform of the justice system. Prosecutorial overreach, the reliance of our system on plea bargains and the lack of good defense attorneys and respect for civil rights are all important.
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My point is that Feminism is, in part, about demystifying cultural norms and breaking them down, and to then suggest that a cultural norm posited by Feminism is then somehow able to rely on typicality when others are not is silly.
That would definitely be silly! But I don't think that's what I say. I don't say "it's totally chillbro swaggins if people get falsely accused of rape" or even "false accusations of rape do not exist". I make the factual claim that such accusations are rare, and I make the prescriptive statement that our time is best spent worrying about unreported rapes or the shaming of rape victims. I add in this post that false accusations of rape, like false accusations of anything, are a serious problem in our society, but they should be addressed within that context.
E3: Not sure if this is a helpful analogy, but maybe it will shed some light on my thought process. I am an atheist, and a common critique I deal with of my atheism is "well, you say I can't be sure of god, but how can you be so sure of not-god? Aren't you just making the same mistake in the wrong direction?" or "Aren't you worried about atheists who want to make it illegal to worship god? These people aren't just atheists, they actually hate all religion!"
I view these critiques and questions as like a very clever form of being wrong. They point at real things (such as the fact that you can't be sure of things, or that yes, atheists can be dicks just like religious people) that are also real problems, but they are just not super relevant. The idea that by promoting my atheist, I could be supporting those who would make worship illegal, or that by doubting god I have to be doubting everything, is the same bad idea. It's the idea that attacking and critiquing rape culture very aggressively while not taking actions on other fronts is conceding, or even supporting those fronts. This is a false dichotomy.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are Welfare Queens, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly belief you are locked in a titanic struggle for your beliefs or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on.
While I agree with your general sentiment, I do not think declaring it a "profoundly tiny problem" is all that fair. If we are talking national Feminism, the sort that is so zoomed out so as to render its members mere numbers, then I guess it applies. But when you tell a man who is serving a prison sentence or is unable to get a job due to a wrongful felony sexual assault conviction that his is a "profoundly small problem", you are discounting a great deal of the philosophical and ethical underpinnings of authentic Feminism.
I'm gonna be real here, wrongful conviction sucks. People get railroaded all the time and it's bullshit. That being said, it literally is true that the human suffering caused by wrongful rape convictions in the US is like way less than the human suffering caused by rape. I don't think I'm discounting any philosophical and ethical underpinnings of any legitimate sort by saying that it's not unreasonable to try to deal with rape culture and not devote effort to dealing with the very small number of people who falsely get accused of rape.
Ahh, but on what basis are you able to extract the phenomena of falsely accused rape from "rape culture" without entirely discounting any negative role on the part of women in this whole mess? I happen to be of the opinion that many women play an active role in encouraging "rape culture" (certainly not as much as men, but still), and the occurrence, however quantitatively small, of falsely accused rape is worthy of consideration insofar as progress and moving forward are concerned.
Now before you start thinking that I'm blaming women for dressing sexy and the like, allow me to clarify. I'm referencing particular attitudes many women seem to have in regards to gender norms and relationships, many of which are not nominatively harmful. Specifically, there seems to be a straddling of Feminism and traditional gender roles, a "best of both worlds" operation in which a female collects sexually interested male partners with the veneer of the potential for a traditional relationship. More casually referred to as the "friendzone", this phenomena is relatively new as a cultural norm, and although it seems harmless enough, it encourages a sort of "push-pull" in regards to male-female interaction that is patently unhealthy to all involved. While I can see the poetic justice in women celebrating this sort of "power", I think it directly conflicts with Feminism's stated goal of an egalitarian society.
In view of your edits, I'll simply add that I think mainstream Feminism is over reductionist in how it approaches these problems. We can pretend that we can separate out all these gender relations and neatly address them, but I do not think that true progress is found in such a way.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are Welfare Queens, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly belief you are locked in a titanic struggle for your beliefs or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on.
While I agree with your general sentiment, I do not think declaring it a "profoundly tiny problem" is all that fair. If we are talking national Feminism, the sort that is so zoomed out so as to render its members mere numbers, then I guess it applies. But when you tell a man who is serving a prison sentence or is unable to get a job due to a wrongful felony sexual assault conviction that his is a "profoundly small problem", you are discounting a great deal of the philosophical and ethical underpinnings of authentic Feminism.
I'm gonna be real here, wrongful conviction sucks. People get railroaded all the time and it's bullshit. That being said, it literally is true that the human suffering caused by wrongful rape convictions in the US is like way less than the human suffering caused by rape. I don't think I'm discounting any philosophical and ethical underpinnings of any legitimate sort by saying that it's not unreasonable to try to deal with rape culture and not devote effort to dealing with the very small number of people who falsely get accused of rape.
Ahh, but on what basis are you able to extract the phenomena of falsely accused rape from "rape culture" without entirely discounting any negative role on the part of women in this whole mess? I happen to be of the opinion that many women play an active role in encouraging "rape culture" (certainly not as much as men, but still), and the occurrence, however quantitatively small, of falsely accused rape is worthy of consideration insofar as progress and moving forward are concerned.
Now before you start thinking that I'm blaming women for dressing sexy and the like, allow me to clarify. I'm referencing particular attitudes many women seem to have in regards to gender norms and relationships, many of which are not nominatively harmful. Specifically, there seems to be a straddling of Feminism and traditional gender roles, a "best of both worlds" operation in which a female collects sexually interested male partners with the veneer of the potential for a traditional relationship. More casually referred to as the "friendzone", this phenomena is relatively new as a cultural norm, and although it seems harmless enough, it encourages a sort of "push-pull" in regards to male-female interaction that is patently unhealthy to all involved. While I can see the poetic justice in women celebrating this sort of "power", I think it directly conflicts with Feminism's stated goal of an egalitarian society.
I think it's probably true that the vast majority of people support and/or are complicit in rape culture, because that's what we are raised in. I don't believe I discount the negative role of women in rape culture, though I could have misrepresented myself, so I will do my best to clarify: rape culture is culture, it is not just some idea pushed by a small number of people. It's simply the way the society we live in currently operates. Without turning a critical eye to our assumptions and our upbringing, whether we are male or female we are complicit in and support rape culture. Not having a penis doesn't magically make you an ally of the feminist movement.
In any case, I do believe the false accusations of rape are worthy of consideration! I considered them, and having done so, I do not believe it is a priority for me in any way more than general false accusations are. And, getting back to the original thing, the red-haired woman in the video actually disagrees with me. In her statement of values she strongly comes out against false accusations of rape and states it is a priority of hers. Sentinel's use of sexist language to put her down, in addition to being inappropriate, is also misleading.
On April 15 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: The idea that rape victims are just people who "regret" having had sex consensually is a very dangerous idea.
I definitely agree with this, but it raises an interesting issue. In my experience, a large number of feminists (definitely the more radical sort) refuse to believe that there are women who falsely accuse men of rape due to regret. While it is clear that this scenario is frequently used as a basis for "slut shaming" amongst a host of other victim blaming strategies, these things most certainly happen, and I'm always left scratching my head when it comes to reconciling a refusal to give public air to such a thought and the actual notion of progress.
The reason for this is the same as the reason that people on the far left don't admit that there are Welfare Queens, or people on the far right don't admit that there are elements of the social safety net that are good. If you truly belief you are locked in a titanic struggle for your beliefs or for justice, you don't want to give any ground. That being said, the red-haired woman in the video above explicitly states that false accusations of rape are bad, and most feminists I know are aware that there are in fact some false accusations of rape. It is a profoundly tiny problem compared to the number of rapes that go unreported or the number of rapes that are not acted on.
While I agree with your general sentiment, I do not think declaring it a "profoundly tiny problem" is all that fair. If we are talking national Feminism, the sort that is so zoomed out so as to render its members mere numbers, then I guess it applies. But when you tell a man who is serving a prison sentence or is unable to get a job due to a wrongful felony sexual assault conviction that his is a "profoundly small problem", you are discounting a great deal of the philosophical and ethical underpinnings of authentic Feminism.
I'm gonna be real here, wrongful conviction sucks. People get railroaded all the time and it's bullshit. That being said, it literally is true that the human suffering caused by wrongful rape convictions in the US is like way less than the human suffering caused by rape. I don't think I'm discounting any philosophical and ethical underpinnings of any legitimate sort by saying that it's not unreasonable to try to deal with rape culture and not devote effort to dealing with the very small number of people who falsely get accused of rape.
Ahh, but on what basis are you able to extract the phenomena of falsely accused rape from "rape culture" without entirely discounting any negative role on the part of women in this whole mess? I happen to be of the opinion that many women play an active role in encouraging "rape culture" (certainly not as much as men, but still), and the occurrence, however quantitatively small, of falsely accused rape is worthy of consideration insofar as progress and moving forward are concerned.
Now before you start thinking that I'm blaming women for dressing sexy and the like, allow me to clarify. I'm referencing particular attitudes many women seem to have in regards to gender norms and relationships, many of which are not nominatively harmful. Specifically, there seems to be a straddling of Feminism and traditional gender roles, a "best of both worlds" operation in which a female collects sexually interested male partners with the veneer of the potential for a traditional relationship. More casually referred to as the "friendzone", this phenomena is relatively new as a cultural norm, and although it seems harmless enough, it encourages a sort of "push-pull" in regards to male-female interaction that is patently unhealthy to all involved. While I can see the poetic justice in women celebrating this sort of "power", I think it directly conflicts with Feminism's stated goal of an egalitarian society.
I think it's probably true that the vast majority of people support and/or are complicit in rape culture, because that's what we are raised in. I don't believe I discount the negative role of women in rape culture, though I could have misrepresented myself, so I will do my best to clarify: rape culture is culture, it is not just some idea pushed by a small number of people. It's simply the way the society we live in currently operates. Without turning a critical eye to our assumptions and our upbringing, whether we are male or female we are complicit in and support rape culture. Not having a penis doesn't magically make you an ally of the feminist movement.
In any case, I do believe the false accusations of rape are worthy of consideration! I considered them, and having done so, I do not believe it is a priority for me in any way more than general false accusations are. And, getting back to the original thing, the red-haired woman in the video actually disagrees with me. In her statement of values she strongly comes out against false accusations of rape and states it is a priority of hers. Sentinel's use of sexist language to put her down, in addition to being inappropriate, is also misleading.
Ahh yeah, well don't lump me in with Sentinel please I'd definitely still call myself a feminist, I just think the movement needs to, at the risk of sounding silly, become less gendered
I think what people suggested was rather sensibilize the population that wrongful accusations are both real and a crime (with all the criminal charges that come with defamation ?). And what people criticize is that some feminists (of course not all) do not believe its even real and that hiding the fact is just not right.
Let's prevent the problem before it becomes a big one, there is no reason to believe real rapes prevention would suffer from it.
Well I've never really understood the whole "equality" aspect of it because men and women aren't "equal." And what's the deal with "equal" anyway? Nobody is equal stop saying that we are equal for god's sake.
I think women are cool and I know how different they are from men. It's why I love their company (SOMETIMES, depends on the girl).
I just remember growing up in school and being told that women could do everything men could do blah blah blah we're all equal blah blah blah race and ethnicity don't mean a thing blah blah blah PC bullshit all day long.
On April 16 2013 03:50 JadeFist wrote: Well I've never really understood the whole "equality" aspect of it because men and women aren't "equal." And what's the deal with "equal" anyway? Nobody is equal stop saying that we are equal for god's sake.
I think women are cool and I know how different they are from men. It's why I love their company (SOMETIMES, depends on the girl).
I just remember growing up in school and being told that women could do everything men could do blah blah blah we're all equal blah blah blah race and ethnicity don't mean a thing blah blah blah PC bullshit all day long.
The joy of life is to revel in our differences.
Sure, but knowing exactly what those differences are and how to revel in them without subjugating or infringing on others is not exactly a simple process. Folks can be equal yet different ya know.
On April 16 2013 03:50 JadeFist wrote: Well I've never really understood the whole "equality" aspect of it because men and women aren't "equal." And what's the deal with "equal" anyway? Nobody is equal stop saying that we are equal for god's sake.
I think women are cool and I know how different they are from men. It's why I love their company (SOMETIMES, depends on the girl).
I just remember growing up in school and being told that women could do everything men could do blah blah blah we're all equal blah blah blah race and ethnicity don't mean a thing blah blah blah PC bullshit all day long.
The joy of life is to revel in our differences.
Sure, but knowing exactly what those differences are and how to revel in them without subjugating or infringing on others is not exactly a simple process. Folks can be equal yet different ya know.
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