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Silhouettes: We Stand Together

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Last Edited: 2013-02-24 06:38:07
February 24 2013 05:48 GMT
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Silhouettes: We Stand Together

"No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself, or to get all the credit for doing it." —Andrew Carnegie

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Photo credit to: Kat aka "Qelix" @http://qelixlovesdota.tumblr.com/
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Recently, I've been thinking a lot about what my role as the leader is. It's been changing, evolving even, and that's scary. All the belief systems I held so dear, are slowly starting to crack and the underlying silhouettes are beginning to reveal themselves.

Fully congruent with my own experience, Eternal Envy expressed this in his recent blog post:

I take a lot of responsibility as to why the team fell into this slump. I felt that I under performed as a player/captain during this time period. Although there are a lot of underlying reasons as to my under performance which I will get into, in the end I failed. I'm so fucking bad.

During this period of time I made a lot more in-game calls than I usually do. Looking back I think there are two reasons for this:

1. As I pointed out previously, my team made a lot less decisions, and I felt that it was my duty as captain to make those decisions for them.

2. The team literally asked me "what should we do" when I wasn't ready to make a thoughtout decision, and I felt that I was forced to make that decision right there and then.

A lot of my calls felt forced and so the chances of them being correct were much less than if I was confident about my calls. My death count increased significantly as well, and I felt like the reason for this was because I was unable to focus on my game, instead I focused on thinking for my teammates a lot more than I could handle.

However, at the same time I was also a big huge coward. There were many calls I should of made but decided not to. Like when your team is about to engage in a fight, but you should tell them to get the fuck back. Sure sometimes I was like "back" but that's really not enough when it comes to a fight, instead you should be like "BACK BACK NOW, GET THE FUCK BACK." I was scared that I would make the wrong decision, and let my teammates movements dictate my decisions too much. Instead of manning up and acting like the captain when the team needs me.


I think this will happen to many captains because of the current paradigm of leadership in the western scene. In this blog I'll talk about some of my experiences and where, in my opinion, a captain's true place lies with his team. We're on a great streak at the moment, and I do realize it will come to an end at some point. This blog post serves as a momentum piece for my team.

Me, Myself, and I

For the longest time I believed that I had to do it all by myself: Create, manage, lead and support. For a long while it worked and it worked well. But, there was always a cost. It was draining at my sanity. There were a lot of times where I had completely broken down from pure exhaustion and doubt. Times when I couldn't find a way out and I kept banging my head against a wall (metaphorically). The pressure I mounted upon myself was immense, combined with all the exterior influences. I assumed total responsibility for every mistake and every failure. It felt like a dagger to the heart each time. I didn't ask for help because I had convinced myself that I had to do everything alone. One of the things that I frequently did was force creativity.

Brief History of Team FIRE:
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Team FIRE's meteoric rise to fame was a result of an innovative lineup that I created back then. We literally ran the same draft 100% of the time. It worked wonders and nobody knew how to deal with it, resulting in an impressive 98% win rate over the course of about 30 matches. I loved it. I loved the idea of strategy and methodical play. I truly believed that I could create perfect strategies and that strategy was the most important factor in Dota.

While strategy is largely important to competitive Dota, it certainly isn't the be-all and end-all. Our team's strategy started to get countered and after several defeats, I trashed the idea. Long story short, I gave up on the strategy entirely because it was losing and decided to make new ones. I began forcing myself to think up new, wild and irrational, strategies. None of them worked, and as they failed, I began to feel consumed by doubt. Along with my shattered confidence went the morale of our team.

On the back of our successes, however, team compLexity decided to sponsor our team. From there, our team swiftly fell into decline. We had some successes under our new sponsorship, but eventually we fell into a slump (Much like our inception with Liquid).


Forcing creativity is like yelling at a child to just "Grow up!" If only it were so simple, yet I needed results and desperately hoped it would just be a matter of time. I thought that if I was patient enough and focused enough, I'd find my answers. I'd just sit there and listen to music, meditate, take long showers, or go for scenic drives along the coast. They used to work for me after all. I thought, "I created team FIRE's first strategy doing those things, there's no reason why I can't do it again".

Of course I wasn't able to repeat the process because it was completely and totally forced. Here was my expectation: Create perfect strategies on my own, that I can run 100% of the time by utilizing underplayed heroes. It's silly to think of now but, back then, that was my reality and it was very real. Much of my delusion came from idea that "I have to do this alone".

A lot of this, to a much lesser degree, persists even today. These things played a major role in my decision to take an indefinite break from Dota after The International 2. The leadership mentality that I adopted back then was "The leader acts alone". There are several examples, within my post-TI2 blog, that suggest I preferred to work alone and that not trusting myself lead to our downfall.

During TI2, my drafts were really underwhelming compared to what I normally work with. We didn't seize any opportunities to use many of the lineups we had prepared due to pure timidity on my part. I believe that I was not properly asserting myself as the captain of this team. As a result, our drafts were a mix of ideas and philosophies instead of having one singular focus or direction. I think this is something that any captain can learn from.

Our manager Chappy said something to me that I'll never forget:

"Too many cooks spoil the broth".

If ever a proverb that a drafter can learn from, this is it. In essence, I gave into one of my weaknesses, which is the tendency to believe in others before myself. I feel like this is something that I need to develop further as a skill, moving into the future.

It's always hard to swallow blame and take the criticism. It's also extremely hard to assume the responsibility for your failures. However, if one is to be a successful DotA 2 captain, one must develop confidence and assume responsibility.

Puppey: Puppey is, in my mind, the best captain in the world. I admire him greatly and I aspire to reach his level of confidence and ability.

I learned, indirectly, from him that a team should be a reflection of a leader's will. It sounds arrogant and cocky at first, but it really isn't.


I'm having realizations, these days, about a different perspective.

Wise Words

*Note* Yes I realize there are a ton of quotes in this section, but the title is literally "Wise Words" What did you expect?! So bear with me, I have a point.

Words mean a lot to me. Though, much of the time, words may be powerless, they seem to transform with age. For example, cliché’s are meaningless to you as a child; Things like "The grass is always greener on the other side" or "You never know what you have until it's gone" seem completely negligible. Yet as we grow older, at least for me, those words ring so perfectly true.

When team FIRE was first sponsored by compLexity Gaming (1 year ago), we were all asked to select a quote for our profiles. I remember going through pages of quotes, looking for the perfect words to embody my attitude. After quite some time, I realized that leadership quotes meant the most to me. I actually remember looking at these two quotes and dismissing them:

The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. —Max DePree

I must follow the people. Am I not their leader? —Benjamin Disraeli


I mean they made sense and I valued them, but I was more into:

A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way. —John Maxwell


This quote was more congruent with my belief that I had to do it alone. I had the vision and it was up to me to execute it. Now, I realized that there is a common theme among leadership quotes: A leader isn't a manager, he doesn't orchestrate every task and tell people exactly what to do. Perfectly summarized in these quotes:

When I give a minister an order, I leave it to him to find the means to carry it out. —Napoleon Bonaparte

To command is to serve, nothing more and nothing less. —Andre Malraux


Much like Eternal Envy, I got very used to a leadership style that didn't give room to anyone. It was in the absence of direction, that I felt compelled to direct every action (right or wrong). I coined the term "verbal micro", which was a highly successful leadership technique earlier on. There were a lot of problems with this style of leadership however.

Several reasons why, include:
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-My own play suffered, I had to focus on so much that I wasn't performing at my potential a lot of the time.
-It didn't allow my teammates to make their own decisions, where they clearly knew more about the situations than I did.
-They were rushed and often inconsistent in success.
-I would grow restless and frustrated and go quiet for a while. My teammates were so conditioned to being told what to do, that they didn't think for themselves at times like these.


I realize, now, that it's such a short-term fix to a long-term problem. A team should have 5 fully-capable individuals who can make their own decisions, united under one philosophy or strategy.
What I was doing, was conditioning my teammates to lose their sense of free-will. In retrospect, it was a fatal blow to our team's progression to the next level. The reason why it's easier to say, "I'm going to do all of this myself" is because it's simply far less complicated and time-consuming.

Developing a dynamic of skilled and free-thinking individuals takes a LOT of time. Many teams don't recognize this and then leaders feel absolutely terrible when movements stagnate, believing it's their responsibility.

"There is no I in team"

The weeks following The International 2, left me extremely vulnerable. I didn't care to lead, in fact I lost a lot of motivation to continue playing support and being a captain. I wanted to play the Utility role (3), because I was stuck in an "I" mentality. I felt that if I wanted to succeed I had to do it in a more impactful way. I felt like this role was perfect for me to step up and initiate, gank, and get farm (something supporting couldn't do later in the game). I wanted to be special, to be given an impact beyond the subtleties of a support.

All the highlight videos were the farming roles destroying with the space that they've been given. The public doesn't read too much into the finer details. Besides, flashy plays make sense; Providing vision, sacrificing yourself and all of the fine details don't. I never cared about those things. I loved playing support, being selfless didn't bother me one bit. Losing such a big competition can do things to you and take you to dark places.

I didn't intend to even play competitive for another couple of months, while I sorted all the things out in my head. However, Team Liquid reached out to us and, with Bulba's help, I couldn't say no. I could see so much potential in our roster if we added Bulba and Korok (Korok! *Creams pants*-just kidding) to our lineup. It seemed like the most perfect arrangement (I'm glad I was right). Deciding to proceed, even though vulnerable, was a great decision.

(As you can tell, I get a little silly once I read the 5 hour mark of straight writing)

Well how did being vulnerable help me make realizations? I learned several things:

-"Just do it", action precedes your shitty(only way to describe it) thoughts. It's a lot better to fail while trying, than to ruminate in your own head. This is self-explanatory.
-Why losing is important and why your perception of loss matters (explained in last blog)
-Leadership means a lot more than I thought.

It Feels like Rain

For the first time in a year, I actually experienced what it felt like to play Dota with the absence of a leader. I mean, I was there, but mentally I wasn't. I couldn't find the words, I didn't know what to do or how to do it, I just picked. We lost, we lost some more, and I actually, kind of, didn't care. I sat idly by as our team made decisions by themselves. I felt such a strong feeling of scorn for myself. "Who am I to lead?" I thought. It looked ridiculous to me, my teammates all making actions without precision. No one was telling them what to do or how to do it, and it looked like an utter mess.

I started to realize, it wasn't a mess. It was orchestrated chaos, the very thing I sought the most during The International 2. Something that compLexity was unable to achieve, which lead to our demise versus the Chinese teams. In my blog "Blame It on the Rain", I wrote:

1. Playing the Chinese game will not win the tournament outright. (Method)
...
-I felt like it was necessary for western teams to create chaos to disrupt their calculated actions. However, many of the teams were not mentally prepared to take risks in high profile matches


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Funnily enough, the section's title has to deal with the rain as well. What a strange coincidence.


You see, compLexity's weakness was that we had TOO much leadership. Like I mentioned before, our teammates were unable to make actions by themselves by this time. We were too grounded in my leadership. One example of this is how teams instantly recognized when we were smoke ganking. The infamous "compLexity smoke gank" became "let's go hide in our base until they reappear time". Teams understood that I lead all of the smoke ganks and that we always went with our full squad. We were incapable of ganking effectively without me leading the charge. We had solid laning phases and early to mid games, but no one was able to lead ganks or late-game pick offs. This was a huge problem that we struggled with but couldn't solidify before the main event.

As I started to sit back more, I became more grounded in my own game. I didn't feel the pressure to assume every second of our match. Everyone stepped up and worked with each other separately. Not only in play, but also in draft. Each player started contributing because of my indecision. I started asking for help, for opinions, for a team. I started to feel relieved of the immense pressure I was used to and I felt more confident.

Flashback!

I must follow the people. Am I not their leader? —Benjamin Disraeli


This quotes represent the realizations that I had, and am still having, this month. I remember having a terrible moment and telling Korok and Bulba:

"I can't believe this... I'm so sorry guys, I'm not performing near my capacity. If you were on this team during compLexity, you'd see how much more vocal my leading was. I'm not usually this quiet, I don't know..."


Well, because I was feeling too weak to assert my leadership, I learned to follow. I learned what it felt like to be the one sitting back and just being a part of the team, not a leader. TC took control for a bit and I got comfortable again. Hurray! It wasn't my fault if the drafts went poorly. I could go afk and make food and browse the internet during the drafting phase (so nice, haven't been able to do this for a year). I didn't have to lead or do anything, nothing at all!

We Stand Together

The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. —Max DePree


Well, the title couldn't get any more lame. It's just how I feel, and when I feel passionate about something, nothing's off limits. I'm lame, okay let's move on.

I noticed that we could really do this, I could really do this (lead). I realized that I needed help and that I have highly talented players on my team. Everyone stepped up and I'm so grateful for that. This is my ode to them and how they've helped me grow and how I've watched them grow:

Steven aka Korok:
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Korok you're extremely talented and you've opened my eyes up to, yet another, unique perspective. I love the fact that everyone on this team looks at the game in a different light, and it totally makes sense coming from your roles. There is no way that I'd ever experience the full spectrum of perspectives to make this team run the way it is. You're one of the reasons why I understand that I can't control everything. You're a wildcard, a true anomaly. You act and perform in a way that is second-to-none. Though you love to slack off, you've been trying (I noticed, at least). Your mastery of the mid and late game far exceeds my capability to lead it. I'm so pleased that you're able to coordinate the team, as well as act alone, to utilize your heroes to their fullest potential. It relieves so much pressure from me and allows me to focus on my own game.

Mike aka ixmike88:
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Mike you've always been my right-hand man. You shatter every expectation of dedication on profound levels consistently. There aren't enough people out there with your mindset. I truly value you as a friend, a teammate, and as a teacher (Yes, I do learn from you Mike). You consistently teach me how to be true to myself, how to be confident and how to be uninhibited. There are so many laughs to be had, simply by being around you. You've really stepped it up Mike. One year ago, you never even touched support. Now, you're breaking out of the mold and making my life a hell of a lot easier. You've gone way out of your comfort zone time and time again (The results are showing). I'm so pleased to see you grow. People say "ixmike just right clicks Fluff", but, trust me, we wouldn't have gotten this far without you.

Tyler aka TC:
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TC, you balance me out. Without your guidance, I'm just a wacky sensationalist. I'm glad that you are so different from me. We'd have the "clowniest" lineups known to man, if you weren't to voice of reason. You're soft-spoken, but you've also taken steps to break out of your shell. I've noticed such a huge improvement in your confidence and your ability to speak up. You should speak up! You're completely brilliant at this game and your perspective is unparalleled. You're my second-in-command and I know that I can trust everything that you have to say, as much as it hurts my ego. You're easily the most consistent player in the West. I love the fact that you've shown leadership of your own in our games. If you learn how to master your own leadership, I can't imagine anything more powerful.

Sam aka Bulba:
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Bulba you're just like me. You have insane ideas sometimes and you definitely need to be filtered. But when you're on, you're on. When I watch you cast games it helps remind me how bright you are. You truly know how to make sense of things and vocalize your thoughts. You're a talented guy with a lot of dedication. No one, besides TC, fiends as hard as you do. I can count on you to watch every (and I mean EVERY) single important match. Nobodies as quick as you to express themselves and it means a lot. You inspire action and to many degrees your selflessness rivals Mike's. If not the first, you're always quick to watch replays and analyze situations. You're sometimes too hard on yourself, but I admire that in you. With your mentality, the skies the limit.

Finally, our manager, Robin aka Bumblebee and Team Liquid:
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Robin you've really solidified your place in our team. You're as dedicated as all of us to the success of this team. I don't even understand it, but it's insane. I can't express how grateful I am to you and your contributions thus far. You've streamlined this process for us and made it so easy for us to focus. Though, a lot of the time, you have so many ideas that it can frustrate us, I appreciate your efforts. For every 50 "Bloodseeker force staff"-type lineup ideas you have, at least one of them will be relevant and thought provoking. So, keep at it! That goes out to all of the Team Liquid as well. You're all so supportive and friendly, truly a pleasure to deal with.


Closing

I decided not to edit any of that last part and leave it how it was. It was completely uninhibited and I mean every bit of it. It's been about 7 hours now and I'm really tired. I'll probably go back for some edits later in terms of fatal mistakes. I started with something simple and it all just came to me. I'm so happy that I'm learning all the time. One of the best lessons that I continue to learn is that it's important to get out of your head and "Just do it". Hopefully everyone can appreciate this. I'm finally starting to realize what a team really is and what it means to be a leader.

Thank you to my team and everyone who supports Team Liquid.

A great leader’s courage to fulfill his vision comes from passion, not position. —John Maxwell


-FLUFF

@LiquidFLUFF

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zturchan
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada156 Posts
February 24 2013 05:56 GMT
#2
A pleasure to read - Keep up the awesome work FLUFF.
EnanoMaldito
Profile Joined February 2013
Argentina39 Posts
February 24 2013 06:08 GMT
#3
Really good article FLUFF, keep it up :D. I liked the Envy quote since it shows how many thoughts can go through a leader's decision when the time is due, and how handling the pressure can make a whole team better or worse.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
February 24 2013 06:09 GMT
#4
Haha you come off as extremely intense when i read this, it's almost scary!
FLUFFNSTUFF
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States51 Posts
February 24 2013 06:13 GMT
#5
Towards the end I just said "fuck it" and went with it. I feel really energized right now and completely grateful to my team. It's been a really long time since I felt that way.
Swampsteel
Profile Joined April 2011
United States94 Posts
February 24 2013 06:14 GMT
#6
You write the best thought-provoking and emotional blogs. <3 TL FIGHTING <3
Oh my glob!
Dr. ROCKZO
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand396 Posts
February 24 2013 06:19 GMT
#7
Great read, nice to see the articulation of a captain to his team and to the public. It holds you accountable for your words and really impresses me every time, FLUFF.

Would you ever be able to do a tutorial-esque blog on drafting? Obviously it's precious information as a lot of a team's strengths come from the personal secrets of the trade, but I really enjoy your insight and writing style, and teaching the community the intricacies of the draft (beyond predicting what the first 4 bans are going to be) would be awesome.
or something
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
February 24 2013 06:19 GMT
#8
great blog.

I laughed at "For every 50 "Bloodseeker force staff"-type lineup ideas you have, at least one of them will be relevant and thought provoking." That sounds like Bumblebee projecting Nazgul.
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cerb
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany215 Posts
February 24 2013 06:27 GMT
#9
This blog is just awesome. I can hardly describe how impressed and overwhelmed I am after reading it.
The anbelievable amount of details and insight you give is just amazing. Thank you for that.
You and the team are doing great. I wish you all the best and striking success.

On a side note: I always enjoyed watching competitive Dota, but never was a fan of a special team. Sure, I had some favorites and liked some teams more than the rest, but I was never a real dedicated 'fan'. During the last months and weeks this changed because of you, the team and the overall professional behaviour. Today I can say that I am a huge (!) fan of Team Liquid. Keep on going!
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
February 24 2013 06:37 GMT
#10
Awesome read, thanks for the blog posts Fluff!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
February 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#11
nice blog

lol@bloodseeker
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
February 24 2013 07:06 GMT
#12
Wow, great read. I'm really enjoying getting a glimpse inside TL like this. I hope you keep up the awesome blogs and the great dota!
Through victory, my chains are broken.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
February 24 2013 08:05 GMT
#13
On February 24 2013 14:48 Liquid`FLUFF wrote:
For every 50 "Bloodseeker force staff"-type lineup ideas you have, at least one of them will be relevant and thought provoking. So, keep at it!


Your blogs are always a good read, although I'm not entirely sure if thats a compliment.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
February 24 2013 08:20 GMT
#14
What a perfect way to wake up and have my coffee while reading this!

Some really good thoughts and what an endearing story. It's a pleasure following Liquid DotA; spoiler alert, I never watched a single game of DotA untill a couple of months ago when you guys formed under Liquid but I follow your games religiously at this point.

Thank you for writing this blog, it adds so much to the experience to me, when I can relate to the struggle/story behind a team as well as appreciate the level of play in the games, it all just comes together.

I hope that these thoughts will be with you, both when things are going as good as they are now but also, and especially, when things aren't going so well.

Keep it up FLUFF; and thank YOU.
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
innociv
Profile Joined April 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-24 09:16:45
February 24 2013 08:27 GMT
#15
Where is the mustache?

Fixed it for you
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I liked the Napoleon Bonaparte quote the most.
It's a leaders job to listen, and do what his people need, but it's his decision. You don't pick A-hero because Z-player wants it, but I don't agree with players being silent during draft either. A leader needs to know what they are thinking/feeling, but it's on them to make the right decision how they know best.

But when you make those picks, you need to be able to trust people to work together without speaking much, in most cases, I think. Puppey, for example, said that they're very quiet in game except for him telling people to back; everyone knows what they need to do.


It reminds me when I played Guild Wars. The leader role often sounds a lot like the "verbal micro" you spoke of.
But more than that, it reminds me of one time we lost (when we had a standin) and the leader got pretty angry but wasn't sure who to blame.
The leader was playing a healer class, a Monk, and couldn't verbal micro in that role. Our standin said they were best at Mesmer, which was my normal role, so I took up one of our two Warriors.
Our leader ended up getting mad because he initially blamed the loss on no calls, we were quieted than normal. But as it turned out, the 7 of us were playing as well as we did with no calls because we had such good feel for one another as players as we knew what everyone would do. Me on the Axe Warrior knew I had to hold my spike abilities for slightly longer and just wait for my friend on the Hammer Warrior's cooldowns so we could spike together. We knew to immediately switch to the next target when protection spells were put on our current target. We didn't need to talk.

The problem was just that our leader wasn't as good at a Monk as our usual one, and our standin was a lot worse than us(or just didn't have our team synergy).
But after that match, it was pretty telling how we needed much less of that verbal micro as it had become second nature. We became even better, with the Leader realizing he didn't need to speak as much, and the quieter vent left more room for all people to call out their own little important things when before they couldn't speak over the constant chat from the Leader.

I think if you're not playing with a standin, people shouldn't need those calls. People should be able to tell the difference when their ally is running or baiting. SD shouldn't need to tell lesh he's about to banish, Lesh should just know when SD is going to do those things. You start out with "verbal micro", but eventually people should develop that team synergy, shouldn't they? You sort of get "ESP" with people you play with enough. You know what to expect from them, and they know what to expect from you, and there is no second guessing.
checkmybutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1 Post
February 24 2013 09:05 GMT
#16
Great post, man. I think you're the only pro player at the moment to do these awesome kinds of write-ups somewhat regularly.


Keep up the good work. TL fighting!
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
February 24 2013 09:10 GMT
#17
It's like riding a bike. You need to keep trying and pick yourself up when you fall down.
But it's a nice write-up to show that there's more than one way to lead, that needs to be tried for one to develop as an effective leader.

Also, if you weren't the person to feel bad about your mistakes, dragging yourself down in self-pity and self-doubt, you wouldn't be the person to lead a team in the way you do. I have felt the same way about leadership, or management in business settings in a more generic setting. The manager is a servant to the whole and a team works best if the subordinates have this genuine feeling of their manager.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
deejayy
Profile Joined October 2010
United States38 Posts
February 24 2013 09:22 GMT
#18
good read. nice insight into how the team dynamic sort-of works
stalpno
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia9 Posts
February 24 2013 09:30 GMT
#19
Really inspiring read, I hope you continue to captain TL with the integrity you have shown over the past few months. You are doing a brilliant job. Keep it up! Team Liquid fighting!
maturity is the greatest strength
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
February 24 2013 10:04 GMT
#20
Inspiring. What was the FIRE lineup you won straight 30 games with?
keep it deep! @zulison
Restless-
Profile Joined May 2010
Malaysia86 Posts
February 24 2013 10:10 GMT
#21
Seriously, so far no one else have a much better write-ups with deep insights about the whole competitive DotA and its team nature than you. You are truly awe-inspiring and your blogs are always my go-to for my self motivation and improvement, especially during a phase where I'm currently having troubles of organizing myself with my team. I will always support you no matter what and I'm proud that you are part of team Liquid, a team that I always admire ever since I started Starcraft 2 (now focused more on DotA 2 though ). I truly believe Team Liquid couldn't have gotten a much better DotA 2 team than this. The whole of Team Liquid are truly remarkable, be it the DotA 2 team, the SC2 team, or even the management and its community. It's a team that I'm always proud to cheer on.

All the best and keep up the great posts! LIQUID HWAITING!!
Huh?
Battleaxe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States843 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-24 10:12:49
February 24 2013 10:11 GMT
#22
Cool pic, cooler blog. Great to see you guys tearing it up and thanks for sharing your perspective
Without a community, we're all just a bunch of geeks.
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
February 24 2013 10:32 GMT
#23
Very good read! So much passion for the game, and every aspect of it!

TL all the way, keep on dominating! FIGHTING!~
Liquid
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
February 24 2013 11:24 GMT
#24
Such an amazing blog entry.

Best so far yet, imo. I hope TL sticks together for a long time, the biggest bane of dota teams seems to be the constant shuffling of members...

When can we expect 5-forcestaff BS lineup?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
inn5013orecl
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States227 Posts
February 24 2013 11:37 GMT
#25
Naz has the best eyes for awesome players to bring into the fold...LIQUID FIGHTING!!!
i live with a korean who doesnt play sc...wtf
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
February 24 2013 11:49 GMT
#26
Great read. TL Dota got me to take a break following SC2 and start following DOTA (as someone who's never touched any MOBA before) and its been terrific to be able to follow you guys since your inception as TL to the present and see you grow and learn together (which is so abundantly clear even to people who've had to develop game-sense alongside spectating). Congrats on coming so far, and nothing but the best for the future
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
February 24 2013 12:13 GMT
#27
You forgot yourself on the list, thanks to you Fluff, for being a quirky sensationalist introspective leader baws.
I think esports is pretty nice.
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
February 24 2013 13:17 GMT
#28
this stuff is just way to cool. No words I can say right now can praise what you wrote.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
February 24 2013 13:23 GMT
#29
Nice!
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
February 24 2013 14:15 GMT
#30
Great read!

Keep it up! it's awesome seeing you guys evolve together like that
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 24 2013 14:41 GMT
#31
I find it really amazing how someone so young is so mature and able to look inward to improve.
Wikt
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Poland226 Posts
February 24 2013 14:44 GMT
#32
Yet another amazing blog. Your passion and your evolution as a player and captain shine through.

Also - sick job on the enormous winning streak to the entirety of Team Liquid.
Rest your copper eyes on heavens low. Let the radio waves carry you home.
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
February 24 2013 15:12 GMT
#33
So, we can look forward to a bloodseeker centric lineup is what you're saying?

Great blog, love the insight into the team. Liquid fighting!
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DrLovecraft
Profile Joined November 2012
United States108 Posts
February 24 2013 15:27 GMT
#34
On February 24 2013 19:04 zul wrote:
Inspiring. What was the FIRE lineup you won straight 30 games with?

Abusing DS Aghs Wall
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
February 24 2013 16:18 GMT
#35
A really great read, thoroughly enjoy your bloggs fluff and the insights it brings in your play and in liquid! Looking forward to the next one!
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
February 24 2013 16:19 GMT
#36
As always fluff, sick sick blog! Ty for your writings it's a pleasure to read.
Haxity
Profile Joined February 2013
United States119 Posts
February 24 2013 16:33 GMT
#37
You blogs are easily the best insight into the pro scene atm. Thanks for the posts and hard work, TL and coL are/were awesome :D
One regrets the loss even of one's worst habits. Perhaps one regrets them the most. They are such an essential part of one's personality.
thragar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada450 Posts
February 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#38
This was a fantastic post! Having been a manager of a software department, I can definitely understand your misconception of leadership. They sent me to a Dale Carnegie course though, and I learned a bit there. But mostly it was experience.

Also, if you're interested, read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. That also has some nice concepts about leadership, I recall.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
February 24 2013 16:40 GMT
#39
Fluff, you are an inspiration. Your drive to improve and never be content with where you are, no matter how good you may recognize it to be at the time, is a trait that is so rare in the world. You've made me a loyal Liquid'DotA fan, and I have no doubt you'll continue to lead your team to good results!
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-24 18:49:40
February 24 2013 18:45 GMT
#40
Great blog yet again, Fluff, and a testament to the fact that you are a good leader. TL has the tools of dynamism, which I never thought Fire or coL had, at least not to the same degree.
LiangHao
EHOME
Profile Joined August 2012
Ukraine98 Posts
February 24 2013 20:02 GMT
#41
wow babe
Laplaces_imp
Profile Joined January 2012
368 Posts
February 24 2013 20:31 GMT
#42
clearly that bloodseeker force staff idea needs a venge for swaping, a bat rider for towing, and a spirit breaker for knock backs. just a force staff is clearly not enough guys. its a legit strategy ^^
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
February 24 2013 20:41 GMT
#43
These blogs really give a deep insight into the team that is TeamLiquid. It gives the team a voice, a perspective and a personality. It makes you accountable and responsible by having you share your thoughts, failures and successes. Much appreciated. Keep going. Your games are a blast to watch.

thundertoss
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1166 Posts
February 24 2013 21:10 GMT
#44
If I had a sister... I'd let fluff date her.
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Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
February 25 2013 00:27 GMT
#45
Awesome blog, kinda struck a cord with some things that are going on with me. These blogs are really insightful and I am really grateful that you take all the time you do to write them. Thanks, and I look forward to the next.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
February 25 2013 00:57 GMT
#46
Good Post, something that caught my eye about Leadership relates to how the Canadian Military trains (known for their intelligence-training) - Although there are officers who lead the squads, every member is drilled upon to think and adapt in any situation for the best of the troop, not just from directives from the commander. They teach us so much about leadership, in and out of operations/fields, regardless of what job you have (for instance, I sit behind a desk all day) - but I feel like I would excel in a leadership position if forced into one. One thing that caught my attention once when being trained was when a Chief Warrant Officer (one of the highest ranks) said "Everyone has their specific strengths; if we were in a situation where there was a Private who happened to have a medic background in the field, and someone became injured, regardless of my rank opposed to his, I will let him take charge because he knows more than I do in this situation"

So I do think its smart, to train everyone on the team to be capable to think for themselves in-game situations; Korok obviously has a unique mindset with his "on-the-edge" playstyle that if you did indeed make more calls in game, would ruin that flare he brings. No team should be mindless drones with one leader, they should be 5 capable individuals with strengths to fill each others weaknesses.
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SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
February 25 2013 00:59 GMT
#47
I also want to say, from someone whos been around Liquid/the website since 2000 back in the Ladder Challenges days of Nazgul, Meat, Drone, etc.. They could not have picked a more mature leader to start off the Dota section of the team. Definitely fits into the Liquid "mold" that Nazgul expects from his members.
Favorites: Moon, Grubby, Naniwa, TAiLS, viOLeT, DongRaeGu
PuroStrife
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (North)199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-25 01:15:33
February 25 2013 01:11 GMT
#48
The insight you have into your own position and ability to lead is amazing, I knew there was a reason I liked you.

gl hf in the future TL, with this leader you will go far.

I find it really amazing how someone so young is so mature and able to look inward to improve.

I second this.
The legendary OG 5: Anathan, Jesse, Johan, Sebastien and Topias.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
February 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#49
Good on you, Fluff, you guys are doing great. Set your sights high, you could seriously take The International this year the way you're playing now.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28087 Posts
February 25 2013 06:36 GMT
#50
This is a very nice blog. Keep writing because you are very good at it

Also, congrats on the 15-0 match winstreak you guys are on.
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Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
February 25 2013 09:55 GMT
#51
Great read! Really makes you want to stand up and cheer for Team Liquid! Good luck in the future.
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
Rampager
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia1007 Posts
February 25 2013 12:35 GMT
#52
Fantastic read, I've read all of your blogs to date and I love reading your perspective as you've grown as a captain and a leader. TL DotA2 are incredibly entertaining to watch, I'm glad it's working out for you.
GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
February 25 2013 15:03 GMT
#53
A lot of times just writing out and organizing all your thoughts is enough to clear some stress and get you to a much better mental state. No homo.
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
February 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#54
Excellent blog. Its impressive how well you are able to lay your thoughts down so well. I really enjoy hearing about the dynamics of a professional team. I look forward to future blog posts.

Liquid Fighting!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
FLUFFNSTUFF
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States51 Posts
February 25 2013 17:17 GMT
#55
Thanks for the kind words everyone.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
February 25 2013 20:35 GMT
#56
Great blog. It has helped me a lot in finding what kind of a player I want to be.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
MidgetExplosion
Profile Joined February 2013
United States137 Posts
February 26 2013 16:56 GMT
#57
Thanks for the great read, FLUFF. I was very excited when Liquid`DOTA formed and have absolutely not been disappointed! I was up screaming when Korok and TC took the throne from MOUZ in game 3 of The Defense Loser Bracket match-up, my wife thought I was dying! Haha...

Can't wait for more Liquid`DOTA!
Mr_Kzimir
Profile Joined August 2010
France268 Posts
February 27 2013 16:54 GMT
#58
Guess I am a bit late, but hey kinda need to evacuate all those toughs.

As the captain of a team , I must say this blog post talks to me quite a lot.

And even "quite a lot" is an understatement, cause hell I know how it feels to be the (5), to sacrifice your whole game to give space to the others to shine.

Hell I know , this feeling of having to "Think" everything on your own, believing that you just need to come with a bright idea or strategy to make your team rise from the bottom
to the top of the ladder.

That, you should take the blame for every failure and that in the end, but that in the end acting as if your opinion doesn't matter as much as your teammate.
Or as you also said , having this mentality which drives you to believe that other idea are "always" better then your own.

Leading in such way that you end up dictating your teammates how they should think and act, and cause your own performance to drop at the same time.

Seriously ... This is so hard ... So hard to endure , and yet so ineffective.

So, although I haven't found my answer yet as I still struggle with those inner questions, I want to thank you for this enlightening post and those quotation which allow me to put things
into perspective and give me hope that I will someday fine my answer as well as long as I keep my passion for the game.

From the bottom of my heart , thank you for this blog and best of luck to you and Liquid, FLUFF
"Infantry , it's all about it"
climax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1088 Posts
February 28 2013 03:44 GMT
#59
Again, fluff's blogs are always such a great read. I've played captain and I can relate to those points of trying to command your team and thinking, Damn, I got to make every call but now I can't even focus on my own gameplay.

Fluff, I eagerly wait for your next blog. They are gifts that I could never pay you back for.
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BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
March 08 2013 00:55 GMT
#60
Great read! Thank you for this Fluff!
SigmaFiE
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States333 Posts
March 08 2013 22:50 GMT
#61
This is a very interesting and good read. Thank you Fluff. It is a difficult step to learn to let go enough that you can regain your vitality and attitude while your team develops from the controlled chaos.
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