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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 11 2013 21:02 GMT
#1
Really simple topic, I'm doing my final essay of my university degree on Escalators. I get the monumental importance of this: how the study of the importance of escalators anthropologically and sociologically could mean thousands of people can understand why I am dwelling on this today but...

I am stumped. I guess in essence this is a homework topic that everyone will frown upon and probably get closed, but as trivial as this is, why do we have the escalator when we have the elevator?

While yes: I want to answer this question to get past this paper, I was also personally curious about this. The elevator was once an amusement ride and despite being built over 80 years after the first modern elevator was built in Russia (I believe), I cannot see any real importance on the escalator when we have the elevator.

Personally speaking, the escalator is just more efficient when climbing small quantities of floors (up or down), plus the choice of how fast or slow you want to travel up/down these floors. The elevators always take so long and require patience. I've written all of this down already.

But why is it important? If we remove all personal factors, the escalator can achieve what the elevator does for more people (the handicapped, construction workers & materials) and it is just simply better. So why do we have the escalator and why was it needed despite the elevator having practical use for so long?

My only stretch of logic here is that it is like the iPad, we had palm pilots, touch-screen phones, notebooks, laptops and even computers and yet making a convenience of an already convenient world is somehow marketably good (I mean shit, they're making a mini iPad, how stupid is that shit?).

So yeah, I guess you're helping my homework, but has anyone else wondered this yet? I suppose the symbolism of escalators is the luxury of moving stairs (and the avoidance of being too fucking close to people you don't know).

Anyways, funny thought. The other funny thought was that I spent over 20 years of my life in school to write a final sociological paper on the escalator (this is a 400-level sociology course). It's funny and yet, so sad.

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Sixthworld
Profile Joined April 2011
United States7 Posts
February 11 2013 21:11 GMT
#2
I think the real benefit in using an escalator comes from being able to move large quantities of people continuously whereas this same outcome could not be achieved with an elevator unless it was very large or operated at an extreme speed. Of course, escalator utility value is negatively correlated to the number of floors, if I'm using my statistic mind correctly.
Artisian
Profile Joined October 2010
United States115 Posts
February 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#3
consider us claustrophobic people? elevators are metal boxes closed to the world, it's not particularly relaxing, and i'm fairly certain claustrophobia is common enough to compete with the disabled, as well as those who just want to move materials. the aesthetic differences really are notable as well.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 21:29:20
February 11 2013 21:24 GMT
#4
elevators are more a form of transportation up and down where as escalators are used as means of "herding" people to where they should go. Just think of spaces with allot of people, like airports, subways, rail stations, or other buildings that need to engineer the space so that people flow in particular directions. It would be utter chaos otherwise.

Also sometimes it's the sheer distance that makes escalators good, just imagine if you would walk a distance of 500 meters or more, in this case a escalators is preferred since the walkers otherwise might get tired and slow down thus blocking everyone else from getting to the destination. Escalators are (believe it or not) incredible useful and really helps people to know where they are suppose to go and their purposes are vastly different compared to elevators.
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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
February 11 2013 21:38 GMT
#5
The benefits of escalators is that they waste very little space, allow a natural flow of traffic, are open air, and are perfectly usable even if they break. And they can transfer people many times more efficiently than elevators.

i think the fact that elevators are wait-stop-go and escalators are just -go- has something to do with it. Escalators are just much more pleasing to use, for some reason.
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
February 11 2013 21:42 GMT
#6
Continuous flow of masses of people

Compare 100 people going up a floor on a single elevator to 100 on an escalator
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 21:46:33
February 11 2013 21:45 GMT
#7
Yeah, I figured that'd be a good idea to study where the escalator can carry about 10,000 people an hour.
Can an elevator do that? Depends on the elevator I suppose.

Anyone else find how trivial and funny this whole discussion is on the escalator? We're basically discussing the pros and cons of an escalator, an everyday object of technology that represents nothing more than the ordered direction of transportation that has a set pace you can either choose to follow or go faster in exchange for physical exertion.

In any case, you guys are laying out some ideas I didn't consider. I still find it hard to make sense of sociologically examining an escalator. Everyone else chose easy subjects such as the Wii-Mote, touchpads and things we associate with new-age technology [more or less].
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Delwack
Profile Joined December 2011
123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 21:59:55
February 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#8
As others have mentioned here already: the primary benefit of escalators are the potential volume they can move. That is to say, the primarially benefit large quantites that need to be moved automatically. Often it is goods that benefit from this more than people (we more commonly call those conveyor belts), but can be very useful in specific high-density areas that do not require high buildings, but support extreme amounts of human traffic. Good examples are sports stadiums, airports, and metro/subway stations.

Also, escalators that don't actually change your elevation (like the ones you sometimes see at airports) are very useful for keeping lots of traffic moving on in an orderly fashion.

Edit: Elevators are much better for moving extreme vertical distances, but come at the cost of not being able to really move all that much per unit space taken up and having higher transaction costs (that is higher costs in loading and unloading). They're meant to move significantly fewer people, but can move those fewer people faster once on the device itself. (if this is a net benefit depends on how far if you take loading/unloading costs into account).

Both clearly have areas where each is better applied.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 11 2013 21:54 GMT
#9
People have legitimate aversions to elevators, if nothing else.

However, my idea lies in "threshold of utility". (Like the term? I just made it up).

Essentially, if I want to go up 1 floor, I prefer stairs to an elevator. And I always prefer an escalator to stairs. So the threshold of utility for an escalator is very low.

However, If I want to go up 5 floors, obviously I'd prefer an elevator to stairs, and in my case I'd prefer an elevator to an escalator too. So where is the threshold where I don't care if its an elevator or escalator? Probably at 2 or 3 floors. More, and I prefer elevator. Less, and I prefer escalator. The concept is similar to two different phone contracts. One costs only $10/mo but also costs 50cents a minute. The other costs $50/mo but only 1cent a minute. The preference then depends on your usage scenario.
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tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
February 11 2013 22:03 GMT
#10
I wish we could write an essay on something a toddler could analyze in 400 level physics courses...
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
February 11 2013 22:09 GMT
#11
Why do we have those moving airport walk ways (seen some in Vegas too) when people can also ride around on the airport carts?

Elevators will give you a specific destination faster but will often require a period of wait. An escalator's function is actually exactly like a staircase (or a freeway on-ramp). Also, escalators give more of a "standing in line" (going somewhere) feeling vs possibly having to face each other or simply share the same space with other people.

I'd be curious about power consumption and building space needed for each (but that's less a sociological issue).

An interesting note about escalators in Finland: you always stand on the right and let people walk past on the left.

hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
February 11 2013 22:19 GMT
#12
Torte, have you ever been in a big skyscraper in a big city? Like New York for example, in the Empire State Building there are like 20 express elevators. They all hold maybe 20 people each and they go zoom zoom zoom and your ears pop when you ride them. You can go from the bottom to the top in a few seconds!
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
February 11 2013 22:23 GMT
#13
Also, when an elevator breaks its fairly useless. When an escalator breaks, they're just stairs.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
February 11 2013 22:28 GMT
#14
On February 12 2013 07:23 ZeaL. wrote:
Also, when an elevator breaks its fairly useless. When an escalator breaks, they're just stairs.


hah! great point.

and anybody who thinks that thinking very hard about ordinary things is useless and trivial does not have the properly philosophical mindset
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rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 22:31:09
February 11 2013 22:30 GMT
#15
Batch process vs Continuous process. Continuous processes usually have much higher throughput. When not constrained by the need to traverse many levels, escalators are usually more efficient.

I guess you've never been in a lineup to get into an elevator?
(shit sucks, cause you're sitting there waiting on doors to open and you're not making any progress to take your mind off the boredom)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 22:31:11
February 11 2013 22:30 GMT
#16
On February 12 2013 07:28 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 07:23 ZeaL. wrote:
Also, when an elevator breaks its fairly useless. When an escalator breaks, they're just stairs.


hah! great point.

and anybody who thinks that thinking very hard about ordinary things is useless and trivial does not have the properly philosophical mindset


I don't think it's trivial or useless, but it's definitely different than what we typically focus on everyday, eh?
Finding articles about the sociological context of escalators (that are peer-reviewed) is pretty tough though haha
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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 22:40:22
February 11 2013 22:40 GMT
#17
here's something


Now consider the escalators and elevators. Given their very real pleasures in Portman, particularly the latter, which the artist has termed ‘gigantic kinetic sculptures’ and which certainly account for much of the spectacle and excitement of the hotel interior— particularly in the Hyatts, where like great Japanese lanterns or gondolas they ceaselessly rise and fall—given such a deliberate marking and foregrounding in their own right, I believe one has to see such ‘people movers’ (Portman’s own term, adapted from Disney) as somewhat more significant than mere functions and engineering components. We know in any case that recent architectural theory has begun to borrow from narrative analysis in other fields and to attempt to see our physical trajectories through such buildings as virtual narratives or stories, as dynamic paths and narrative paradigms which we as visitors are asked to fulfil and to complete with our own bodies and movements. In the Bonaventure, however, we find a dialectical heightening of this process: it seems to me that the escalators and elevators here henceforth replace movement but also, and above all, designate themselves as new reflexive signs and emblems of movement proper (something which will become evident when we come to the question of what remains of older forms of movement in this building, most notably walking itself). Here the narrative stroll has been underscored, symbolized, reified and replaced by a transportation machine which becomes the allegorical signifier of that older promenade we are no longer allowed to conduct on our own: and this is a dialectical intensification of the autoreferentiality of all modern culture, which tends to turn upon itself and designate its own cultural production as its content.
I am more at a loss when it comes to conveying the thing itself, the experience of space you undergo when you step off such allegorical devices into the lobby or atrium, with its great central column surrounded by a miniature lake, the whole positioned between the four symmetrical residential towers with their elevators, and surrounded by rising balconies capped by a kind of greenhouse roof at the sixth level. I am tempted to say that such space makes it impossible for us to use the language of volume or volumes any longer, since these are impossible to seize. Hanging streamers indeed suffuse this empty space in such a way as to distract systematically and deliberately from whatever form it might be supposed to have, while a constant busyness gives the feeling that emptiness is here absolutely packed, that it is an element within which you yourself are immersed, without any of that distance that formerly enabled the perception of perspective or volume. You are in this hyperspace up to your eyes and your body: and if it seemed before that that suppression of depth I spoke of in postmodern painting or literature would necessarily be difficult to achieve in architecture itself, perhaps this bewildering immersion may now serve as the formal equivalent in the new medium.
Yet escalator and elevator are also in this context dialectical opposites: and we may suggest that the glorious movement of the elevator gondola is also a dialectical compensation for this filled space of the atrium—it gives us the chance at a radically different, but complementary, spatial experience: that of rapidly shooting up through the ceiling and outside, along one of the four symmetrical towers, with the referent, Los Angeles itself, spread out breath-takingly and even alarmingly before us. But even this vertical movement is contained: the elevator lifts you to one of those revolving cocktail lounges, in which, seated, you are again passively rotated about and offered a contemplative spectacle of the city itself, now transformed into its own images by the glass windows through which you view it.


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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 23:04:54
February 11 2013 22:53 GMT
#18
Don't use escalators

Use the stairs.

It's almost funny sad when I'm the only one on the stairs and there is a line in front of the escalator.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
February 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#19
Hmm. Lots of good points brought up here, and while I agree with most, I think another factor to look at is the psychological framework between the two devices. Regardless of any pathological issues (claustrophobia vs agoraphobia) that might be present, at a subconscious level there are two different mechanisms that may be at play. An elevator, no matter how poshly appointed or quick to its task, is essentially a large cage in which a person enters and is then held at the mercy of mechanical or computerized controls. Once the door closes, the amount of control you have over when those doors opens is debatable. You cannot control where you are going, you often cannot see where you are going, and your body receives conflicting information. (Your eyes tell you everything is stationary. Your ears tell you you are moving.)
With an escalator, you instead have visual and physical agreement between the senses, and a sense of control. You can, if you want, turn around, or move quicker towards the bottom. (Turning around, of course, is inefficient and annoying to the people behind you.) If you absolutely have to, you may be able to get off the escalator entirely. Once in an elevator, you are in it until it stops. An escalator more closely matches a common experience for humans, the one of climbing up a steep hil or set of stairs, which may give them an advantage at a subconscious level. An elevator, on the other hand, could be a dissonant experience, something that you would not often find a parallel to in a more natural world. (And the only one that comes to my mind is not a positive one - falling.)
There is also a common perception of an elevator being a box hung by wires - although most of the elevators I see in 2-4 floor range are hydraulic piston driven boxes. But if you get into a conventional elevator, it doesn't feel as solid. (The 7-story elevator in my dorm could, quite literally, bounce or down about half a floor. I think. I couldn't see to measure it, but the damn thing was not comforting.) So there is, in the spectres hanging out in the subconscious, the image from films, TV, and stories of a cable snapping, and suddenly plummiting to a very quick stop. (I don't have statistics, but I think elevators are probably actually safer than escalators.)

There are pros and cons between the two - for example, I'd rather take an elevator over three floors than an open air, steep escalator - but the above is just an off the cuff bit of thinking of how they may compare at a subconscious level.

Oh, and probably cost. Economic considerations are usually paramount. (AKA, when in doubt, it's probably because of money.)
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 23:12:32
February 11 2013 23:09 GMT
#20
The only reason elevators were invented was soo that people (delinquient teenage boys like myself) can run down elevators that are going up or run up elevators that are going down. can you go down on an elevator that is going up. Nope...

Also are moving walkways considered escalators? You know the one you find at some airports to help people walk down the tremendously long hallways between terminals. If you consider moving walkways as elevators then it helps transport people straight instead of up and down.
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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
February 11 2013 23:11 GMT
#21
"But on voyage 34 he finally met himself coming down an up-staircase, and the encounter was crushing."
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kierpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States757 Posts
February 11 2013 23:13 GMT
#22
On February 12 2013 07:53 Thorakh wrote:
Don't use escalators

Use the stairs.

It's almost funny sad when I'm the only one on the stairs and there is a line in front of the escalator.


I'd rather take an escalator of I'm carrying a bunch of stuff (i.e., when I'm shopping at the mall and I pick up a big box of stuff). Carrying stuff up stairs is a little bit more challenging!

You don't necessarily have that room in an elevator either.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 12 2013 00:18 GMT
#23
On February 12 2013 07:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 07:28 sam!zdat wrote:
On February 12 2013 07:23 ZeaL. wrote:
Also, when an elevator breaks its fairly useless. When an escalator breaks, they're just stairs.


hah! great point.

and anybody who thinks that thinking very hard about ordinary things is useless and trivial does not have the properly philosophical mindset


I don't think it's trivial or useless, but it's definitely different than what we typically focus on everyday, eh?
Finding articles about the sociological context of escalators (that are peer-reviewed) is pretty tough though haha

wait what... does sociological oriented research around escalator actually exist? I think my head just exploded.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
February 12 2013 01:23 GMT
#24
People have addressed how escalators can be used for mischief, and that that is a detraction. Unfortunately, elevators can be abused as well:



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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 12 2013 01:27 GMT
#25
I hate people that stand on the left side of the escalator.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 02:52:06
February 12 2013 02:42 GMT
#26
On February 12 2013 06:24 Integra wrote:
elevators are more a form of transportation up and down where as escalators are used as means of "herding" people to where they should go. Just think of spaces with allot of people, like airports, subways, rail stations, or other buildings that need to engineer the space so that people flow in particular directions. It would be utter chaos otherwise.

Also sometimes it's the sheer distance that makes escalators good, just imagine if you would walk a distance of 500 meters or more, in this case a escalators is preferred since the walkers otherwise might get tired and slow down thus blocking everyone else from getting to the destination. Escalators are (believe it or not) incredible useful and really helps people to know where they are suppose to go and their purposes are vastly different compared to elevators.


Honestly I feel like this was one of the best points raised, I never considered it before but escalators really do serve as a useful means for "herding" people. People have a tendency to go towards the easiest path, so even if they have to walk a little farther, they will search for that down escalator (or more likely, the up escalator). So it creates a natural, organizational structure everyone *wants* to follow as opposed to requiring signs or other means of making sure people follow an organizational scheme.

I do wish I could understand what Sam!zdat's quoted person is talking about, but it would take time and patience. I would say its probably true that escalators *can* play some crazy psychological-artistic role in helping people go through some kind of "adventure" in a hotel (lol), but honestly I think someone did a little too much thinking, and the answer is simply about throughput, organizing, assisting the elderly and generally making things easier for people, and once in a while, when its convenient, involving the person in some grand meta-narrative about the autoreferentiality of all modern culture (lol).

Incidentally I think your topic is kind of fascinating. Escalators actually can make life a lot easier, and more fun (I still love going up escalators to this day), and may play a significant impact on the consumer's shopping experience; at least to me, it would play nearly an equivalent (or greater) role to the standard advertisement outside of any store window in terms of motivating me to continue shopping. I think on the flip side, it has also reinforced a culture of laziness and ease, which may have some drawbacks (not just escalators, now moving floors!).

With the ubiquity of escalators, I guess you can ask when is enough enough? How far will society go? Are escalators just the first "step" in a series of mobility-assisting devices? Honestly I think you could make your research go very very deep if you wanted it to, it just needs lots of analysis.

Edit: Aaah that's probably just a silly slippery-slope idea. I doubt they will install anything more in malls i.e. moving floors. OR WILL THEY? Hmm...I guess to assist the elderly they have to. But then it will be abused by everyone! Just like escalators? Or were they designed for everyone from the start? Probably.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 03:21:44
February 12 2013 03:19 GMT
#27
Here's something a little different. Rather than looking at the function of the escalator, you can look at the design of the building around the escalator. I don't know if this will take you anywhere, but it may give you something to think about.

Think about a big staircase as an architectural feature. An escalator is a way of maintaining that architectural feature while enabling easy transport. (compared to the elevator, which eliminates that feature in place of different ones. you get tall buildings with elevators and tight winding staircases, instead of wide buildings with long staircases etc. There is an artistic/architect aspect to consider, entirely separate from efficiency/function/facility). Maybe the importance of the staircase as an architectural feature could help you get started on a "sociological" angle.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 12 2013 03:26 GMT
#28
Holy balls, 2 pages on escalators!
You guys should be in this class!
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
February 12 2013 04:32 GMT
#29
i have a bs in bs torte!
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
February 12 2013 06:17 GMT
#30
On February 12 2013 12:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
Holy balls, 2 pages on escalators!
You guys should be in this class!


I think I missed the pre-requisites, and there may be a hold on me at the registrar for not paying them. -_-

Also, c'mon. It's TL. Full of people that like to talk out of a different orifice than normally used.
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
February 12 2013 06:18 GMT
#31
Yeah, obligatory Mitch Hedberg quotation+the fact that escalators can continuously move masses of people quickly from floor to floor.

On February 12 2013 06:45 Torte de Lini wrote:
Anyone else find how trivial and funny this whole discussion is on the escalator? We're basically discussing the pros and cons of an escalator, an everyday object of technology that represents nothing more than the ordered direction of transportation that has a set pace you can either choose to follow or go faster in exchange for physical exertion.

Well, I mean you started it, we're just elaborating on it since you asked
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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
February 12 2013 06:23 GMT
#32
Personally, I use escalators. Why? Trauma.

As a young child (8-9 years old), I was in an elevator when it got stuck between floors. I was in there for what seemed like an eternity, telling myself to breathe calmly in order to conserve oxygen (not the usual thought process of 8-9-year-olds I think ). Meanwhile, I was panicking pretty badly.

I called the elevator support people but no one answered. I kept trying until finally, they answered. Then, it seemed to take forever for them to arrive. Finally, they did. They had no clue how to open it. I was really freaking out until suddenly the elevator doors opened.

My relief was palpable.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 08:46:29
February 12 2013 08:41 GMT
#33
I think escalators also serve a marketing purpose in malls, since it allows you to view goods that you pass by (in an elevator you would see nothing) and often makes you walk through a small section of a floor to get to the next escalator.

It's interesting because most malls in China feature escalators where the entrance to the next escalator is right next to where you get off of the previous one whereas in America you have to walk to the other side to get back on the escalator going in the same direction. (USA = / / / and China = /\/\/ .. the latter is obviously more convenient for the consumer who knows the thing he wants is on the 5th floor, but the former allows for more advertisement of goods)
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munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
February 12 2013 08:50 GMT
#34
If you go to a busy multi-level airport, it's pretty obvious that escalators are better than elevators for high volume situations.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 12 2013 12:39 GMT
#35
Just in terms of safety and evacuations escalators are way more useful and are still just stairs if the power goes out. Elevators are unreliable deathtraps by comparison. You could also look at which is more energy efficient. The escalators with sensors that turn off when noone's riding are probably better in that way. Escalators are also way faster if you have one side for standing, one for walking/running.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
February 12 2013 15:58 GMT
#36
I suppose the reason they exist, is to give weary shoppers a break from using their legs when they are moving between levels of the mall. Granted I try to avoid them cause its faster to walk up the stairs lol
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
February 13 2013 21:00 GMT
#37
The problem of elevator vs escalator is aptly extended in the Sim Tower game. While elevators can reach great lengths and hold moderate amounts of people, the escalator does this much faster and more efficiently. The escalator also holds a great psychological advantage to the elevator in that it allows the transported to view the scenery of the mall while increasing altitude and remaining immersed in the environment. This achieves a certain level of vertigo unattainable with elevators lest they become more dangerous. As we see in the Sim Tower example, there seems to be an optimal mix between elevator and escalator saturation. One accomplishes the goal of speed and length for lesser efficiency, as the elevator can only hold so many cars in the shaft, along with the fact of all the downtime and overhead involved. The other accomplishes the goal of immersion and relaxation for the simple price of height-distance. Let's take a more in depth look at the elevator and escalator.

The escalator can make up for this obvious draw back, though not completely. The more escalators results in more downtime in walking from one to the next, as well as cost.

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Accidents can and will happen

On January 7, 2013, at least 6 people were injured when the crowded escalator at the Exchange Place PATH station suddenly reversed direction. On August 30, 2012, a man was killed when he fell 5 stories off of an escalator rail at Reliant Stadium during a Texans game. Francisco Portillo died after being strangled when his sweatshirt got caught in an escalator at the Porter Square MBTA station in Cambridge, Massachusetts on February 21, 2005. He was allegedly drunk at the time. On December 31, 2004, escalators at the Taipei City Hall Station kept moving commuters onto the overcrowded island platform. A woman whose hair got caught in the escalator received 20 stitches to the scalp

So as we've seen, the escalator can be severely dangerous because of its obvious flaws in design. But the elevator has its share of pit-falls as well. In 1998, it was estimated that approximately eight millionths of one percent (1 in 12 million) of elevator rides result in an anomaly, and the vast majority of these were minor things such as the doors failing to open. Of the 20 to 30 elevator-related deaths each year, most of them are maintenance-related — for example, technicians leaning too far into the shaft or getting caught between moving parts, and most of the rest are attributed to other kinds of accidents, such as people stepping blindly through doors that open into empty shafts or being strangled by scarves caught in the doors.

Let's take another look at psychological variables. The escalator also fulfills certain social aspects. One, it allows people to remain close, but not too close. In other words it lets you have some contact or interaction with others outside your circle but retains the open environment not available in the elevator. This is a very important psychological factor. It may be that there is some aversion towards spaces with too little extra room. Agoraphobia and claustrophobia are common and may play into the preference of escalators. There may as well be some undesirable effect of walking into a "new" room, that, when combined with spatial-volume issues, turn the person away from the elevator.

Of course this is a very narrow window into the lives and uses of escalators, but perhaps it sheds some light on the many aspects of these inventions and their functions.

Next week we'll take a look at the quickening race to expand sliding door operators.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 13 2013 21:12 GMT
#38
All done with part 1.

I read a paper by Bruno Latour revolving around the analogy of the a door-closer, it was incredibly weird and seemingly irrelevant (by Johnson).
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remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
February 13 2013 21:41 GMT
#39
You should investigate elevator etiquette - in Boston people get really cranky if you don't actively walk whilst using the escalator.
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kierpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States757 Posts
February 13 2013 22:51 GMT
#40
On February 12 2013 15:23 Entirety wrote:
Personally, I use escalators. Why? Trauma.

As a young child (8-9 years old), I was in an elevator when it got stuck between floors. I was in there for what seemed like an eternity, telling myself to breathe calmly in order to conserve oxygen (not the usual thought process of 8-9-year-olds I think ). Meanwhile, I was panicking pretty badly.

I called the elevator support people but no one answered. I kept trying until finally, they answered. Then, it seemed to take forever for them to arrive. Finally, they did. They had no clue how to open it. I was really freaking out until suddenly the elevator doors opened.

My relief was palpable.


At my old job, someone got stuck in one of the elevators for a good hour and a half. There was a lot of panicked calls by HR to the building owners.

The owners responded by telling HR to "call the elevator company". When HR called them, they said "sorry, our maintenance guy is in San Diego, so he can't drive up to San Francisco to fix it".

The fire department was finally called and they attempted to gently pry open the doors. Eventually, they managed to get into the elevator control room, cut the power to that elevator, and rescue the poor guy.

I don't think anyone wanted to ride that elevator for a while.
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I_Love_Katheryn
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
United States41 Posts
February 14 2013 01:13 GMT
#41
Elevators are basically moving stairs. So for the lazy, the elderly, the sick or nursing, the pregnant, or for the mortally obese, elevators are an ideal solution since walking up the stairs could often be an inconvenience. Also some people are afraid of elevators (confined spaces and claustrophobia and all that). Besides, I like standing on an escalator especially at the mall and see the people down below get smaller and smaller while I go higher and higher.
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