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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407158#1 this whole thing is way too rushed. to top it all off.. if at the end of the day less prize money is handed out than in 2012... its hard to call this "better support for the scene". and now of course we have this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407201#1 ouch. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
Your entire OP is debunked and now youre just grasping for straws | ||
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
We call him 'JimmyTryHard' for a reason  | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 11 2013 04:10 mdb wrote: From what I`ve seen Jimmy is right. What Blizzard has created is just big mess. He is right in that it's a mess right now, but he is still wrong in his original claim that Blizzard would scale back their support. They're supporting the scene more right now, just not doing a good job at it. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On April 11 2013 00:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the confusion and contradictory statements from Blizzard continue as per the comments of TotalBiscuit and Liquid^Nazgul http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407158#1 this whole thing is way too rushed. to top it all off.. if at the end of the day less prize money is handed out than in 2012... its hard to call this "better support for the scene". and now of course we have this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407201#1 ouch. Allot of the problems are one time problems since it's related to the fact that the system just has been put in into place and we will not see these problems next year. And regarding the remaining problem of Koreans picking other regions than KR it's just a matter of adjusting the price pool after the atmount of competition in each region. KR should have a higher price pool since it is harder so that's not hard to fix either. And again, you are not god, you don't get to dictate or re-define what something means for everyone else, we had this discussion before, just because you don't think this is Blizzard being supportive doesn't mean it isn't. On April 11 2013 06:06 eviltomahawk wrote: He is right in that it's a mess right now, but he is still wrong in his original claim that Blizzard would scale back their support. They're supporting the scene more right now, just not doing a good job at it. No he is not right in anything. Problem is that the system just has been implemented and that there is some confusion and some people are in a tough spot due to them being stuck between the old and the new system. All these problems goes away by next year when everyone knows how it works and all the players transition from the old to the new system is completed. The second problem is the distribution of the overall price money of the regions which can be adjusted in favour of KR since it has the most competition. He hasn't pointed out any of this, he doesn't know shit and never has, period. | ||
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Brindled
United States508 Posts
Bow to me. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/my-thoughts-on-wcs | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On April 11 2013 12:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The anarchy continues... https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/my-thoughts-on-wcs You mean confusion, anarchy implies no rules or government. At least use the proper wording when describing something. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 11 2013 13:41 Integra wrote: You mean confusion, anarchy implies no rules or government. At least use the proper wording when describing something. Yeah, he was looking for chaos or bedlam. Just an FYI Jimmy, every bad thing that someone says about Blizzard does not count as evidence that you were correct. In fact, you were already proven wrong and even you amended prediction is not 100% correct. Admitting you are wrong is the first step to recovery. We have 11 others, but we should start with step one. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
too bad Blizzard just slammed this together with even less preparation than WCS 2012. the players themselves realize there is less money to be won this year. " the fans " get wow-ed by big announcements and TV Studios. Blizzard did a great job of white-washing all events together... smearing the issue ... and then leaving the real news of a lowered GSL prize pool weeks later during the entire uproar after WCS 2013 was announced hardly any "fans" brought up the lower prize pool during the "active debate" here on TL.Net. i must tip my hat to Blizzard for doing a great PR job.... what is it PT Barnum said... "there is a sucker born every minute". ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VEukqjE.png) | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On April 17 2013 22:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: lower prize pool for GSL. too bad Blizzard just slammed this together with even less preparation than WCS 2012. the players themselves realize there is less money to be won this year. " the fans " get wow-ed by big announcements and TV Studios. Blizzard did a great job of white-washing all events together... smearing the issue ... and then leaving the real news of a lowered GSL prize pool weeks later during the entire uproar after WCS 2013 was announced hardly any "fans" brought up the lower prize pool during the "active debate" here on TL.Net. i must tip my hat to Blizzard for doing a great PR job.... what is it PT Barnum said... "there is a suck born every minute". Yes, GSL has a lower price pool... what exactly does this has to with your blog again? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
ok. less prize money for 2013 and fewer events in 2013. (compared to 2012) less support from Blizzard than in 2012. GSL's #1 sponsor is Blizzard. Why was there so much chaos after the incomplete and rushed announcement? Blizzard did not put the resources forward. WCS 2012 looks like the superbowl compared to the WCS 2013 mess. I didn't think it would get this ugly or be this rushed though. just silly. lowering the prize pool in the middle of the event.... sad. Blizzard is making Ilja Rotelli look like a hero it will take 1 full year probably.. when WCS 2014 is announced look for a complete "mea culpa" announcement from Blizzard regarding WCS 2013. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On April 17 2013 22:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you want to hear that again? ok. less prize money for 2013 and fewer events in 2013. (compared to 2012) less support from Blizzard than in 2012. GSL's #1 sponsor is Blizzard. Why was there so much chaos after the incomplete and rushed announcement? Blizzard did not put the resources forward. WCS 2012 looks like the superbowl compared to the WCS 2013 mess. I didn't think it would get this ugly or be this rushed though. https://twitter.com/sc2_translator/status/324427436940984320 just silly. lowering the prize pool in the middle of the event.... sad. Blizzard is making Ilja Rotelli look like a hero it will take 1 full year probably.. when WCS 2014 is announced look for a complete "mea culpa" announcement from Blizzard regarding WCS 2013. And I'm asking you again, how exactly does all of this relate to your blog? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events. good post from redditor Gatesleeper " For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. " i say lower. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On April 18 2013 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if u can't figure that out then u r not reading the post... total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events. good post from redditor Gatesleeper " For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. " i say lower. I can't figure it out because of your ramblings, in fact this whole sentence: total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events. It's a huge mess and makes zero sense, only reason why you typed it like that is because you don't want anyone to understand what you are trying to say. Here I'll help you so you know what to write in response to this post: Start your post with: "This connects with my blog 'The Great Blizzard eSports Experiment Is Over' because.... [Insert simple to understand coherent motivational arguments here free from any jargon or other sensational wording] and once you are done with this, please continue with: ... and as you can see this leads to... [insert the content of the two previous posts along with comments which clearly shows the link between your earlier argumentation with actual content of your previous two postings. ] I think this will help you to better explain your point of view in a more rational understandably way. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2013 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if u can't figure that out then u r not reading the post... total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events. good post from redditor Gatesleeper " For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. " i say lower. Jimmy, I got bad new for you. In your OP, where you made this grand theory, you never said that prize pools would be lower this year. I mean, if you want to make that new argument now, you can. But we are already up to 1.6 million and you didn't count the recent MLG or IEM. We have a long way to go before December, with several more MLGs, IEMs, Dreamhacks and NASL. But I am holding you to the number listed above, so don't try to change it. Also, there was no one who expect the switch to WCS to go smoothly. Players are going to whine, along with teams and other community members. However, Riot had the same problem with LCS when they started it too. People are doing the math for GSL and the top 5 players for Korea can earn about the game amount for winning the season finals as last years GSL finals. You can cite all the selective math you want, but Blizzard is behind Esports, even if the opening is a bit rough(which it was going to be and has been for every world wide league). You were wrong on that front and there is no denying that. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
because Blizzard refused to answer the money questions when the announcement was made the only thing we can use... as an imprecise broad yardstick is examine total prize pool versus what was handed out in 2012 in all the events Blizzard rolled up into "WCS 2013". so now we can only discuss "support level". and WCS 2013 is just a disorganized mess that was hastily thrown together and at this point ... poorly executed. even more chaos.... yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv.... no more... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cjg2j/nasl_not_allowed_by_blizzard_to_cover_wcs/ WCS 2013 continues to be a mess. i thought the days of "testie" were over. with all this online qualifying its only a matter of time before another "testie" type of guy knocks out a legit player. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 18 2013 03:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: we can't debate money any longer as an indicator of Blizzard's support because Blizzard refused to answer the money questions when the announcement was made so now we can only discuss "support level". and WCS 2013 is just a disorganized mess that was hastily thrown together and at this point ... poorly executed. even more chaos.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cjg2j/nasl_not_allowed_by_blizzard_to_cover_wcs/ WCS 2013 continues to be a mess. i thought the days of "testie" were over. with all this online qualifying its only a matter of time before another "testie" type of guy knocks out a legit player. You mean that you can't debate money any more because you lost that argument. Got it. Lets move on to your next point. You are really grasping at straws and are pretty bad at arguing. That link you just posted only proves that you don't read and aren't are just trying to find anything you think supports your point. If you go to the post in the Reddit thread, Mr. Bitter points out that Blizzard DID NOT TELL THEM TO STOP BROADCASTING WCS EU. Mr. Bitter said that NASL told them not to continue the broadcast because it was costing them to much money with no return. If you go to Mr. Bitter's twitter, he says that WCS is awesome and he is only bummed that he has to wait to cast some SC2. That post does not support your point in any way. Once again, a world wide league was never going to work out flawlessly. It was going to be improved and refined over time. People who thought it was all going to be an instant, smooth transition with no confusion at all had very unrealistic expectations. | ||
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