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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 22 2013 15:26 GMT
#201
On April 23 2013 00:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Lots of problems across the board in both the EU and "America" WCS qualifiers.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408859#1


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408859#9
lol
Both are links which just talks about the NA qualifier part (MLG) which we already discussed above, so no point going through that again.

Blizzard hand selected both ESL and MLG with promises of a better and easier viewing experience.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/

what do ESL and MLG have in common? both hand picked by Blizzard.

The easier viewing experience that morhaime talked about in the article was regarding the WCS system and to unify all the leagues under a common point system to easier sort players real skill among the different offline events, nowhere did he say that ESL and MLG was a vital part of making improving the experience, but that the WCS system was that vital part. In fact nowhere in the article does it say that ESL or MLG even was selected as partners, they just drew parallels between all the major leagues, including GSL and Dreamhack, trying to demonstrate how the system simplifies player rankings among multiple major events.

You don't even read the stuff you post, do you?
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
April 22 2013 15:37 GMT
#202
On April 23 2013 00:26 Integra wrote:
You don't even read the stuff you post, do you?


this is an evolution of the ecosystem?
the ecosystem must've been in horrific terrible awful shape in 2010, 2011 and 2012 if this is an evolution.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 15:46:14
April 22 2013 15:44 GMT
#203
On April 23 2013 00:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 00:26 Integra wrote:
You don't even read the stuff you post, do you?


this is an evolution of the ecosystem?
the ecosystem must've been in horrific terrible awful shape in 2010, 2011 and 2012 if this is an evolution.

You mean "ladder system" because that what WCS is, a global ladder meant to grade SCII players with points based on their skill. And as for your question, there was no ladder system prior to this one. And still, we are only talking about MLG here, remember?

And how exactly was your response an answer to the question you quoted me from? Could you please elaborate because I fail to see the connection.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 15:48:07
April 22 2013 15:46 GMT
#204
again back to the interview from PCGamer.com

"MM: We recognised that we’re in a unique position to make some changes to the top level of pro eSports, and to put a system in place with seven partners in the WCS."

by Morhaime's own acknowledgement.. its their system and the 7 "partners" were selected by Blizzard...

you make a great apologist for Blizzard though.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 16:04:45
April 22 2013 15:54 GMT
#205
On April 23 2013 00:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
again back to the interview from PCGamer.com

"MM: We recognised that we’re in a unique position to make some changes to the top level of pro eSports, and to put a system in place with seven partners in the WCS."

by Morhaime's own acknowledgement.. its their system and the 7 "partners" were selected by Blizzard...

you make a great apologist for Blizzard though.

ya, and those partners would had been responsible for their each event, because that's what the partners are, the ones that actually owns and are responsible for each event, and even if WCS would not be in place, online and offline events still would had happened. and MLG would still have screwed up, like they did during 2010-2011, like you so kindly pointed out in your previous posts, regardless the involvement of WCS or not.

Btw, How does this relate to your blog again and why are you bringing this up?

EDIT: I'm taking it that you claim that MLG was a poor choice and maybe WCS should had picked someone else for NA premier qualifier, like Dreamhack or something, then again, it's fucking impossible to actually know the overall points you are trying to convey with your posts being cryptic as shit.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 17:40:14
April 22 2013 17:33 GMT
#206
More poor communication by Blizzard....

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cv39m/blizzard_tomorrow_the_wcs_eu_premier_league_will/

and a nice criticism of this entire fiasco is here...



"Blizzard rushed this out the door .... ESL and MLG were scrambling..."
"...lets not provide the logistical support..."

TotalBiscuit nails down the "blame" exactly where it belongs.

so far...
"WCS 2012" > "WCS 2013"

hands down people.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 17:40:52
April 22 2013 17:39 GMT
#207
On April 23 2013 02:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
More poor communication by Blizzard....

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cv39m/blizzard_tomorrow_the_wcs_eu_premier_league_will/

and a nice criticism of the NA premier qualifier fiasco is here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzJl8vlhWI#t=8m35s

TotalBiscuit nails down the "blame" exactly where it belongs.


"WCS 2012" > "WCS 2013"
hands down people.

WCS didn't exist in 2012 but the main event WCS did exist, so I take it you are comparing the two WCS main events, which 2013 has yet to happen...?
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
April 22 2013 17:40 GMT
#208
On April 23 2013 02:39 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 02:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
More poor communication by Blizzard....

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cv39m/blizzard_tomorrow_the_wcs_eu_premier_league_will/

and a nice criticism of the NA premier qualifier fiasco is here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzJl8vlhWI#t=8m35s

TotalBiscuit nails down the "blame" exactly where it belongs.

Show nested quote +

"WCS 2012" > "WCS 2013"
hands down people.

WCS didn't exist in 2012....


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 22 2013 17:41 GMT
#209
On April 23 2013 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 02:39 Integra wrote:
On April 23 2013 02:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
More poor communication by Blizzard....

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cv39m/blizzard_tomorrow_the_wcs_eu_premier_league_will/

and a nice criticism of the NA premier qualifier fiasco is here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzJl8vlhWI#t=8m35s

TotalBiscuit nails down the "blame" exactly where it belongs.


"WCS 2012" > "WCS 2013"
hands down people.

WCS didn't exist in 2012....


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series

It's the main event, not the ladder system, it did not exist back in 2012. So I take it you are comparing the main events which you can't since the 2013 event not yet has been done.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 17:44:29
April 22 2013 17:44 GMT
#210
here is Blizzard's own employee discussing WCS 2012 in a "text only" super edited interview with PCGamer..

IBB: We really enjoyed WCS last year – some great stories from places like Brazil. But we also came to the conclusion that it’s not our role to create the scale of community content. We should encourage the community to create that content and tournaments. But on the top level, the high quality experience, that’s where we can bring our expertise in terms of what’s best for the IP, and create storylines for people to watch.

WCS 2012 did exist

lol
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 22 2013 17:50 GMT
#211
On April 23 2013 02:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
here is Blizzard's own employee discussing WCS 2012 in a "text only" super edited interview with PCGamer..

IBB: We really enjoyed WCS last year – some great stories from places like Brazil. But we also came to the conclusion that it’s not our role to create the scale of community content. We should encourage the community to create that content and tournaments. But on the top level, the high quality experience, that’s where we can bring our expertise in terms of what’s best for the IP, and create storylines for people to watch.

WCS 2012 did exist

lol

Ya, they talked about the WSC main event held at Blizzard HQ, which I never denied that it existed back in 2012, I see no problem here
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Pedrombom
Profile Joined February 2013
Portugal4 Posts
April 22 2013 17:55 GMT
#212
It's funny you link TB's video, yet you didn't understand anything he said. Selective hearing much?
Quote from TB: "I was pretty damn worried about Blizzard getting involved in this. Yes I celebrated the notion of Blizzard just putting more money into it, that's good. Saying "hey we care aout e-sports". The problem is, when they do this, they bungle it..."
Clearly TB thinks WCS was rushed and badly organized (I do too, and noone here is saying otherwise), but he obviously believes Blizzard is supporting the game, plus what he says goes against your whole blizzard is stepping down theory.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 18:21:17
April 22 2013 18:18 GMT
#213
and i've never said Blizzard was dropping their support for SC2 esports.

The amount of resources Blizzard dedicates to the support of SC2 esports will be lower in 2013 than 2012.

Blizzard knows this.. so they have "partnered up" with several organizations and then blurred the lines of whose fault anything is by refusing to answer who is paying the prize money. Nice smear job by Blizzard.

And we are seeing the symptoms of this right now.

Horrible WCS branded events and finger pointing in every direction.

Don't worry though... the "mea culpa" Blizzard provided in 2013 about the failures of 2012....
we'll get the same thing in 2014 about 2013..
and then everything will be wonderful because the billionaire owner will talk to a bunch of big video game magazines about how good everyone feels about 2014.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 18:22:26
April 22 2013 18:21 GMT
#214
On April 23 2013 03:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
and i've never said Blizzard was dropping their support for SC2 esports.

The amount of resources Blizzard dedicates to the support of SC2 esports will be lower in 2013 than 2012.

Blizzard knows this.. so they have "partnered up" with several organizations and then blurred the lines of whose fault anything is by refusing to answer who is paying the prize money. Nice smear job by Blizzard.

And we are seeing the symptoms of this right now.

Horrible WCS branded events and finger pointing in every direction.

On February 10 2013 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports.

We are in mid February of 2013 with no clear road map for a 2013 championship other than
"there will be a big SC2 competition at the next Blizzcon". Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement. If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements. Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. GomTV, with Blizzard as a major sponsor, is down to five seasons of 1v1 play for 2013.

The makers of SC2 took a nice long run in the arena of eSports and discovered first hand its lack of profitability. And, when you are part of a company that generates almost 5 billion dollars in a quarter year profitability is a key factor in any decision. Activision-Blizzard and Blizzard proper expect mammoth revenue and profit numbers. These numbers are not forthcoming and Blizzard has quietly moved on.

Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events. I'd like to thank Blizzard for putting forth such great effort in support eSports since July 2010. I'd also like to thank them for taking a good long sustained look into eSports and not merely running 1 event and saying 'this sucks, we will never do this again'.

Competitive eSports may well become a major sport on the scale of football, baseball, or basketball,
but that is a long way off.

I won't even bother responding to the stuff you edited in afterwards since it's all made up bullshit anyway.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 22:09:32
April 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#215
On April 23 2013 03:21 Integra wrote:
Competitive eSports may well become a major sport on the scale of football, baseball, or basketball,
but that is a long way off.


correct.

where is the guy who said i'd be shocked to see ZERO hacking incidents at these online WCS things throughout 2013?

and the smear job continues.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/apology-to-the-starcraft-community-how-we-will-improve/
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KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
April 23 2013 14:06 GMT
#216
The StarCraft II WCS will give eSports fans an exciting, globe-circling story to follow throughout the year.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 14:20:56
April 23 2013 14:20 GMT
#217
it is exciting... i have to give you that.
but it really isn't even "throughout the year"...
the WCS 2013 didnt start until 1/3 of the way into the year.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 23 2013 14:35 GMT
#218
You still don't understand that the main subject of this blog is wrong. No matter how you look at it, the 'Great Blizzard eSports Experiment' is by no means over, and Blizzard are pouring more money into the scene. Yes it was incompetently done and poorly managed, however you are STILL incorrect despite that,
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 14:50:13
April 23 2013 14:49 GMT
#219
no.. Blizzard will not acknowledge how much money they are "pouring into the scene".
that is directly from Morhaime in his PCGamer.com interview.

he has been asked elsewhere.. and also refuses to comment..

it is a white wash smear job... no one really knows between these "7 partners" who is supply what money to whom.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 23 2013 14:51 GMT
#220
But they are still putting money in. Your blog says they won't anymore. Reading comprehension is a basic skill. Use it.
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