• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:51
CEST 20:51
KST 03:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation9$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced4Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles6[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66
StarCraft 2
General
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation TL Team Map Contest #4: Winners Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps [G] Progamer Settings [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall SC uni coach streams logging into betting site
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Positive Thoughts on Setting Up a Dual-Caliber FX
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 682 users

On changing of sponsors SS->Razer - Page 5

Blogs > iNcontroL
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Eskiya23
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands105 Posts
February 05 2013 13:44 GMT
#81
On February 05 2013 12:55 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 12:34 Eskiya23 wrote:
On February 05 2013 08:44 BlaineMono wrote:
Marketing dominates TL recently. It's either discussion about awesome Asus commercial, or sponsorship changes or buying LG monitors. Noone really seems to give a shit about the game. It's all about the show.

People like Incontrol shouldn't even be relevant to ANYONE on this site. Who the fuck is this guy? I don't hate him, nor do I like him. I just don't give a fuck. He's totally irrelevant. If you think otherwise, please realize that you don't give a shit about this game, you care about the show. And that's fine, but please realize this and say up front that you're in for the show. Please don't take this as a hate towards Incontrol, cause it's not. In terms of competitive SC2 he doesn't exist, there is nothing that will change that. He is 100% talk, PR and marketing and he himself knows that.

Truth means little to TL folk, it seems. Yes, marketing rules the world. Yes, a man has to pay his bills. But taking part in that is nothing to be proud of. Please don't say that it's perfectly normal, don't justify it.

A statement can either be true or false. So simple...

User was warned for this post


Quoted for truth. Incontrol with his ''0-5'' in every group and hogging up MLG slots, he became quite the thorn in the eye for most competitive players. The whole drama of Incontrol vs Destiny, or TotalBiscuit is only in SC2 for the money and many other incidents doest exactly help. CombatEX is very vocal about his opinion on this matter, but every other StarCraft 2 player already knew.

People forget that he is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands or whathaveyou.

Of course he will play things off as a joke, tell you to buy Razer now instead of SS and just purely market the brand and/or himself. Dont expect him to act otherwise.

I suggest you guys to read Animal Farm by George Orwell, a great book about this kind of corporate occurences.
Playing the victim role isnt going to help either. There is a fine line between selling and selling out.

1) You don't know any players. At all. Maybe some signed some autographs. Maybe some responded to a few of your post. But to pretend that you speak on behalf of them is sheer arrogance.

2) No one forgot InControl's job. Perhaps these "people" you refer to are goldfish. In which case, I wouldn't recommend using them for an argument.

3) Name dropping a famous book does make your rant any more coherent. I suggest you read War and Peace to figure out why.

4) Clearly you despise any organization that accepts money from, and promotes, any sponsor. This is why you would never post on TeamLiquid, a team that would dare to market Razer products to you despite being non-committal in their gaming gear preferences prior to big fat checks.

5) "Fine line between selling and selling out" is a cute line. Very poetic. However, if it was supposed to mean something, I suggest actually writing some content instead of a tagline. I suppose InControl is selling his noble integrity, because now he gags on his own vomit every time he promotes Razer? Clearly he believed that Razer was the devil one week ago, and he now has no soul left.


First of all, whoa Incontrol defence force ! I dont know any players? At all? Quite some big assumptions you are making there. Just accusing me of arrogance (ad hominem) isnt going to take away that Incontrol had (alot) of incidents in the past, which just seems to add up. There are a lot of shady stuff going under the radar that you might not even heared about, like un-resheduled coaching sessions etc. It all piles up.

He is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands. Therefore he will ''jokingly'' have a go at Razor, but when its Razor picking up EG he will ofcourse apologise and tell everybody it was nothing to worry about.
Cant people just thank the sponsors like Stephano does, instead of glorifying the SS product and having to contradict oneself later on?

Want some more poetry? In my previous post I have listed some of the incidents/facts Incontrol has caused, without any personal attacks or insults. People who post in a critical way about Incontrol get warnings, posts on reddit get downvoted to oblivion. Guess people like the beautifull lie rather than the painfull thruth.

+ Show Spoiler +
In no way do I deny what Incontrol has done for esports in a positive light, his Kingston Hyper X casts as well as features on 2GD show are quite hilarious. Just because someone is put on a pedestal doesnt mean we cant critisize him
Wisdom. Judgement. Execution. Stream: twitch.tv/eskiyasc2 Twitter: @EskiyaSC
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
February 05 2013 13:49 GMT
#82
I own a Razer keyboard, a SS mouse pad, 3 Razer mice and 1 SS mouse and I don't use any of them except for the mouse pad. I just stick with my cheap 15 dollar Microsoft blue optical mouse, works perfectly.

In general I think 'gaming gear' is just a big ripoff. standard mice and keyboards work just as well.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 05 2013 14:40 GMT
#83
On February 05 2013 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
It is a bit sad the community is dumb enough to warrant a post like this, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. GL with razer.

You'll understand if this doesn't influence my purchasing decisions the way you want it to though.

word

User was warned for this post
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
February 05 2013 14:44 GMT
#84
Why would you even post this, I don't understand. Retards are retards and will continue to be retards, who cares if said retards throw some mindless, retarded insults at your twitter or reddit, if they can't understand business. Why create this post full of unnecessary drama when the truth is nobody with a couple neurons with functional dendrites linking them even gives a fuck about this.

I'm going to write something pretty annoying here, but whatever, sometimes I get the feeling you create your own drama, then make a fuss about it to create some more drama from it, then write a post on TL to make some MORE drama about some small thing. I don't know, maybe there's a PR thing going on (seems likely), but all of this just seems like a massive spotlight call to me, and all posts of this type seem the same, just attention calls.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
February 05 2013 14:47 GMT
#85
i think its weird how a lot of people only buy 1 brand. I personally use a microsoft keyboard a SS mousepad and a razer mouse. Its what fits me best
savior did nothing wrong
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 05 2013 15:00 GMT
#86
You know you're a part of a dumb-as-a-brick community when a blog post like this is neccessary.

"Hey guys, this company pays me and my team money to front their gear. This is actually how business work, who-da-thunk?"
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 05 2013 17:02 GMT
#87
On February 05 2013 04:48 iNcontroL wrote:

TLDR: Had a great time with SS.

As a German, I can't say the same.
AnythingThenDelete
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
381 Posts
February 05 2013 17:45 GMT
#88
I don't know if this is the right place , but does it mean taht stormville showmatch are over ? ( some of the prizes were from steelseries , and the site is down ).

Do razer also provide official babe to the house ? ( this dreamhack will never be forget )
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
February 05 2013 17:48 GMT
#89
On February 06 2013 02:02 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 04:48 iNcontroL wrote:

TLDR: Had a great time with SS.

As a German, I can't say the same.

hahahahah
Cackle™
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 05 2013 18:17 GMT
#90
On February 05 2013 23:44 mordk wrote:
Why would you even post this, I don't understand. Retards are retards and will continue to be retards, who cares if said retards throw some mindless, retarded insults at your twitter or reddit, if they can't understand business. Why create this post full of unnecessary drama when the truth is nobody with a couple neurons with functional dendrites linking them even gives a fuck about this.

I'm going to write something pretty annoying here, but whatever, sometimes I get the feeling you create your own drama, then make a fuss about it to create some more drama from it, then write a post on TL to make some MORE drama about some small thing. I don't know, maybe there's a PR thing going on (seems likely), but all of this just seems like a massive spotlight call to me, and all posts of this type seem the same, just attention calls.

Well this post caused zero drama... As I intended so I guess you're just wrong. But yeah.. That theory of me intentionally doubling up on drama sounds legit.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 05 2013 18:18 GMT
#91
Also starve: LOL wp sir
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
February 05 2013 18:19 GMT
#92
On February 05 2013 05:16 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 05:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
It is a bit sad the community is dumb enough to warrant a post like this, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. GL with razer.

You'll understand if this doesn't influence my purchasing decisions the way you want it to though.


yep.

I woke up to someone tweeting me "motherfucker" and I read reddit/TL and see myself being called a hypocrite, leechcontrol etc etc... really hurtful stuff.

It's expected.. I am "the face" or spokesperson or w/e in many situations so I get that flak. Just needed to try and get my thoughts out there and hopefully make a difference.


I thought this was a completely pedantic and silly blog post until I got to this comment.

Sigh...
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
February 05 2013 18:21 GMT
#93
On February 06 2013 02:02 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 04:48 iNcontroL wrote:

TLDR: Had a great time with SS.

As a German, I can't say the same.


Granted, he was the founder of 88..
mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
February 05 2013 18:26 GMT
#94
On February 05 2013 13:19 OmniEulogy wrote:
I actually just feel bad for you after reading some of your comments. People actually attack you over this? I think they are all just trying to get a rise out of you... I can't see how anybody with half a brain could come to some of the conclusions I've read and actually mean it.

<3 Geoff. Hell of a job you've got yourself lol


I agree with the most part...

On the other hand, there has to be a reason that he disproportionately receives more than his fair share of the vitriol...
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
February 05 2013 20:30 GMT
#95
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 05 2013 05:55 sLideSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 05:46 iNcontroL wrote:
On February 05 2013 05:39 sLideSC2 wrote:
On February 05 2013 05:36 crms wrote:
Just stop. He was indirectly employed by Steelseries at the time and now he is indirectly employed by Razer. This happens all the time in the real world and this is 100% why you don't trust sponsored personalities on gear recommendations.

Let them do their thing, let them market, let them get paid. You do your own due diligence to find out which products YOU think are the best and buy accordingly.

Sad community making me sad.

Yes but when he's telling us to trust him that's a different story.


????

You mean the interview where I talk about taking over the world with monster shooting robots and our CEO's sole drive being to own a gold car?

You are going to cite that as an opinion piece from me? No. No.. no no no no no no.

If you can find an interview where I am NOT joking around and I say "Razer sucks" or w/e FINE use that against me. But if you want to use an interview where almost literally everything I say is untrue and a joke.. COME ON.

It's not too hard to believe you're opinion when it's not an uncommon opinion, even if the rest of the interview was a joke.





If you can't spot basic human emotions or obviously sarcastic/non-serious banter then you need to stop posting and really comprehend what you are reading.
Incontrol stated clearly throughout the blog and in 2 answers to you that he was not serious, and explaining the situation exactly. He even took the time to explain the joke video he posted with Anna Prosser. You can't seriously think he was being serious in that video when he 1) monster destroying robots 2) Tells us of Garfield's ambition to own a yellow car (ala Simpsons Chester Lampwick story) 3) Mocks the competitors of EG's sponsors lightheartedly.
I think you just want to start trouble, because its clear you lack the patience or concentration to understand the subject at hand.
Delwack
Profile Joined December 2011
123 Posts
February 05 2013 21:53 GMT
#96
This thought process is entirely understandable from a business perspective. I, and many others, take no issue with that. We reconize such sponorships as the equivalent of a celeberity endorsement, and treat them as such.

If you want to explore causes, I think the fundamental issue comes from the sometimes blurred line you have in modern media between impartial sources (essentially friends & family) that can be trusted to be frank, forthcoming and tell you everything about what they know and believe because they have no vested interested, and advertising endorsements, which give you some level of surety but not at the same level of friends & family. I don't mean to imply that there isn't any trust, but rather degree of trust is slightly different. Confusing the two is probably what causes a lot of the backlash.

First off, I think that celebery endorsement does imply some level of quality for a product. I don't know of many celeberties that endorse products they hate. On a fundamental level, that is pretty much guarenteed, or the celeberty risks his or her long term reputation. This gives you a minimum standard of quality: the product you are looking at is likely both suitable and good.

I would not expect, however, that same celeberty (with their endorsement) to come out in a public forum and give a detailed breakdown and accounting for all the situations where one product or another might be preferable, and a very detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of each. While someone like you would be in the perfect position to do something like this, you cannot as you are sponsored by company or another. Instead, we rely on journalists, reviewers, and most importantly friends, family, and those who we identify with who share our quirks and tastes, even if we cannot put those quirks and tastes into words.

I'm sure both steelseries and razor are good products, but if I had to ask, which one is better, in what situations, and why? would you be able to answer that in detail? I'm sure you would, but not in public, as it may be problematic from a sponsorship perspective.

Generally, 'friends and family' recommendations are always what a person believes to be best for a given situation, and don't change unless they are unsatisfied with the product in some way. This dissatisfaction is usually given voice in a strong negative reason (poor customer service, feature/function mismatch, didn't live up to expectations, device broke, etc.)

Switching from one to the other is seen by those who take it as a 'friend and family' recommendation as the one you selected (before) being the best, despite the fact with sponsorship you never meant to imply that either is or was the absolute best. To them, now that you have a new endorsement, you must either think that this is better (a new best), and if so want to know why you believe that, or you are doing it because the money is needed, or it really doesn't matter all that much which one is the best (which is also an undesirable answer as people always want maximum value for their money, and want to feel good about what they have done/purchased.)

Interestingly, part of the problem stems itself from the close connection with the community. No one takes a corperate sponsorship as a friend and family level recommendation. This is evidenced by the fact fact that such celeberty endorcements are given more weight when celeberies come out off the record as truly loving a product and use it not just in offical capacities, but in all unoffical ones.

Today celeberties, together with advances in communication technology, have created closer connections between fans and professionals that form a level of understanding that lies somewhere between the two. EG especailly understands how important it is to form that connection, where you blur the line between business and personal. The more invested others become and the more trust you engender, the more marketable you are to both fans and sponsors. At the same time, the closer you get the more likely people are to view your recommendations, direct or indirect, as one of a friend or family and expect that level of fidelity and trust. When that happens, an endorsement morphs into a 'friend and family' full-fledged best of class recommendation.

It can either be just business, or it can be about connecting with others on a personal level. Sometimes it can be both at the same time. Sometimes when they blur together people cannot tell the difference, and I think that is where you see this particular slice of outrage. It comes when people want to take your endorsement as a 'friend and family' recommendation, when it isn't really.

I think my point is fairly clear, but let me illustrate with another example:

I love soda, and I love both coke and pepsi. I drink both, I enjoy both, I think they are both great products. I'd be happy to take a sponorship from either one of them for what I do, becuase I like their products and enjoy them. Personally, though, I prefer coke, and that will not change unless something drastic changes (e.g. coke bottling plants have serious health concerns).

Ultimately, what people looking for recommendations want is that very last line. Only close friends and family with no vested interest can provide that last line. Sponsored celeberies can provide some level of assured quality, but not that last line. Part of being successful as a public figure in this day and age is to connect with people so that you can blur the line between the two. Inevitably though, confusing a 'friend and family' recommendation and a 'sponsored celeberty' recommendation will cause backlash and vitrol from those who did so. It won't be a large segement, I don't believe, but there will always be some.

Still, I think for those who do, the candor and explaination will help.
U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 22:59:00
February 05 2013 22:57 GMT
#97
On February 05 2013 22:44 Eskiya23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 12:55 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 05 2013 12:34 Eskiya23 wrote:
On February 05 2013 08:44 BlaineMono wrote:
Marketing dominates TL recently. It's either discussion about awesome Asus commercial, or sponsorship changes or buying LG monitors. Noone really seems to give a shit about the game. It's all about the show.

People like Incontrol shouldn't even be relevant to ANYONE on this site. Who the fuck is this guy? I don't hate him, nor do I like him. I just don't give a fuck. He's totally irrelevant. If you think otherwise, please realize that you don't give a shit about this game, you care about the show. And that's fine, but please realize this and say up front that you're in for the show. Please don't take this as a hate towards Incontrol, cause it's not. In terms of competitive SC2 he doesn't exist, there is nothing that will change that. He is 100% talk, PR and marketing and he himself knows that.

Truth means little to TL folk, it seems. Yes, marketing rules the world. Yes, a man has to pay his bills. But taking part in that is nothing to be proud of. Please don't say that it's perfectly normal, don't justify it.

A statement can either be true or false. So simple...

User was warned for this post


Quoted for truth. Incontrol with his ''0-5'' in every group and hogging up MLG slots, he became quite the thorn in the eye for most competitive players. The whole drama of Incontrol vs Destiny, or TotalBiscuit is only in SC2 for the money and many other incidents doest exactly help. CombatEX is very vocal about his opinion on this matter, but every other StarCraft 2 player already knew.

People forget that he is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands or whathaveyou.

Of course he will play things off as a joke, tell you to buy Razer now instead of SS and just purely market the brand and/or himself. Dont expect him to act otherwise.

I suggest you guys to read Animal Farm by George Orwell, a great book about this kind of corporate occurences.
Playing the victim role isnt going to help either. There is a fine line between selling and selling out.

1) You don't know any players. At all. Maybe some signed some autographs. Maybe some responded to a few of your post. But to pretend that you speak on behalf of them is sheer arrogance.

2) No one forgot InControl's job. Perhaps these "people" you refer to are goldfish. In which case, I wouldn't recommend using them for an argument.

3) Name dropping a famous book does make your rant any more coherent. I suggest you read War and Peace to figure out why.

4) Clearly you despise any organization that accepts money from, and promotes, any sponsor. This is why you would never post on TeamLiquid, a team that would dare to market Razer products to you despite being non-committal in their gaming gear preferences prior to big fat checks.

5) "Fine line between selling and selling out" is a cute line. Very poetic. However, if it was supposed to mean something, I suggest actually writing some content instead of a tagline. I suppose InControl is selling his noble integrity, because now he gags on his own vomit every time he promotes Razer? Clearly he believed that Razer was the devil one week ago, and he now has no soul left.


First of all, whoa Incontrol defence force ! I dont know any players? At all? Quite some big assumptions you are making there. Just accusing me of arrogance (ad hominem) isnt going to take away that Incontrol had (alot) of incidents in the past, which just seems to add up. There are a lot of shady stuff going under the radar that you might not even heared about, like un-resheduled coaching sessions etc. It all piles up.

He is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands. Therefore he will ''jokingly'' have a go at Razor, but when its Razor picking up EG he will ofcourse apologise and tell everybody it was nothing to worry about.
Cant people just thank the sponsors like Stephano does, instead of glorifying the SS product and having to contradict oneself later on?

Want some more poetry? In my previous post I have listed some of the incidents/facts Incontrol has caused, without any personal attacks or insults. People who post in a critical way about Incontrol get warnings, posts on reddit get downvoted to oblivion. Guess people like the beautifull lie rather than the painfull thruth.

+ Show Spoiler +
In no way do I deny what Incontrol has done for esports in a positive light, his Kingston Hyper X casts as well as features on 2GD show are quite hilarious. Just because someone is put on a pedestal doesnt mean we cant critisize him


So which pro-gamers do you know then?

Do tell.


Also, ultra serious context of Razer insult:

Comments before Razer joke (12:30 in that video): He finds out how much Brad Pitt's wardrobe costs, and then buys something slightly more expensive

Then he makes fun of AMD and Razer for not sponsoring them.

Comments after discussing companies that don't sponsor EG:

"Boobs."

...

Dude. Come on.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 23:02:57
February 05 2013 23:01 GMT
#98
On February 05 2013 22:44 Eskiya23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 12:55 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 05 2013 12:34 Eskiya23 wrote:
On February 05 2013 08:44 BlaineMono wrote:
Marketing dominates TL recently. It's either discussion about awesome Asus commercial, or sponsorship changes or buying LG monitors. Noone really seems to give a shit about the game. It's all about the show.

People like Incontrol shouldn't even be relevant to ANYONE on this site. Who the fuck is this guy? I don't hate him, nor do I like him. I just don't give a fuck. He's totally irrelevant. If you think otherwise, please realize that you don't give a shit about this game, you care about the show. And that's fine, but please realize this and say up front that you're in for the show. Please don't take this as a hate towards Incontrol, cause it's not. In terms of competitive SC2 he doesn't exist, there is nothing that will change that. He is 100% talk, PR and marketing and he himself knows that.

Truth means little to TL folk, it seems. Yes, marketing rules the world. Yes, a man has to pay his bills. But taking part in that is nothing to be proud of. Please don't say that it's perfectly normal, don't justify it.

A statement can either be true or false. So simple...

User was warned for this post


Quoted for truth. Incontrol with his ''0-5'' in every group and hogging up MLG slots, he became quite the thorn in the eye for most competitive players. The whole drama of Incontrol vs Destiny, or TotalBiscuit is only in SC2 for the money and many other incidents doest exactly help. CombatEX is very vocal about his opinion on this matter, but every other StarCraft 2 player already knew.

People forget that he is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands or whathaveyou.

Of course he will play things off as a joke, tell you to buy Razer now instead of SS and just purely market the brand and/or himself. Dont expect him to act otherwise.

I suggest you guys to read Animal Farm by George Orwell, a great book about this kind of corporate occurences.
Playing the victim role isnt going to help either. There is a fine line between selling and selling out.

1) You don't know any players. At all. Maybe some signed some autographs. Maybe some responded to a few of your post. But to pretend that you speak on behalf of them is sheer arrogance.

2) No one forgot InControl's job. Perhaps these "people" you refer to are goldfish. In which case, I wouldn't recommend using them for an argument.

3) Name dropping a famous book does make your rant any more coherent. I suggest you read War and Peace to figure out why.

4) Clearly you despise any organization that accepts money from, and promotes, any sponsor. This is why you would never post on TeamLiquid, a team that would dare to market Razer products to you despite being non-committal in their gaming gear preferences prior to big fat checks.

5) "Fine line between selling and selling out" is a cute line. Very poetic. However, if it was supposed to mean something, I suggest actually writing some content instead of a tagline. I suppose InControl is selling his noble integrity, because now he gags on his own vomit every time he promotes Razer? Clearly he believed that Razer was the devil one week ago, and he now has no soul left.


First of all, whoa Incontrol defence force ! I dont know any players? At all? Quite some big assumptions you are making there. Just accusing me of arrogance (ad hominem) isnt going to take away that Incontrol had (alot) of incidents in the past, which just seems to add up. There are a lot of shady stuff going under the radar that you might not even heared about, like un-resheduled coaching sessions etc. It all piles up.

He is a PR & Marketing guy now, a spokesperson representing certain brands. Therefore he will ''jokingly'' have a go at Razor, but when its Razor picking up EG he will ofcourse apologise and tell everybody it was nothing to worry about.
Cant people just thank the sponsors like Stephano does, instead of glorifying the SS product and having to contradict oneself later on?

Want some more poetry? In my previous post I have listed some of the incidents/facts Incontrol has caused, without any personal attacks or insults. People who post in a critical way about Incontrol get warnings, posts on reddit get downvoted to oblivion. Guess people like the beautifull lie rather than the painfull thruth.

+ Show Spoiler +
In no way do I deny what Incontrol has done for esports in a positive light, his Kingston Hyper X casts as well as features on 2GD show are quite hilarious. Just because someone is put on a pedestal doesnt mean we cant critisize him

It endlessly amuses me that you an write so very much without saying anything of substance.

You have not shown that any other play reviles InControl, save for CombatEx and Destiny...which really speaks for itself.

You also haven't stated what InControl has sold out to, or what people seem to be "forgetting", or what "lie" people supposedly like...or what "truth" is supposedly "painful". Hence why you sound so poetic...it's all cute taglines that are so generic they could mean anything.


I suppose, if you strip away all of the rhetoric, you mess of text could be translated to:
- You didn't like seeing InControl in the MLG groups.
- You don't like InControl's jokes.
- You don't like people plugging sponsors beyond name dropping.

And instead of stating your personal opinions for what they are, you feel the need to supplant your hatred onto that of the entirety of the Pro Player Community, and rather than accepting that your personal feelings are entirely subjective, you instead need to believe that every other person has no long-term memory or has to lie to themselves.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
February 06 2013 01:26 GMT
#99
Geoff I appreciate you coming out and making this blog to clarify the reasons and thoughts behind this. It is a shame too many people want to pin you as a hypocrite and don't understand your responsibilities as a representative of your sponsors.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 04:00:23
February 06 2013 03:56 GMT
#100
On February 06 2013 03:17 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 23:44 mordk wrote:
Why would you even post this, I don't understand. Retards are retards and will continue to be retards, who cares if said retards throw some mindless, retarded insults at your twitter or reddit, if they can't understand business. Why create this post full of unnecessary drama when the truth is nobody with a couple neurons with functional dendrites linking them even gives a fuck about this.

I'm going to write something pretty annoying here, but whatever, sometimes I get the feeling you create your own drama, then make a fuss about it to create some more drama from it, then write a post on TL to make some MORE drama about some small thing. I don't know, maybe there's a PR thing going on (seems likely), but all of this just seems like a massive spotlight call to me, and all posts of this type seem the same, just attention calls.

Well this post caused zero drama... As I intended so I guess you're just wrong. But yeah.. That theory of me intentionally doubling up on drama sounds legit.

I just fail to understand why even make a post like this, seriously, I don't get it.

Why do you even care what a bunch of retards think about EG changing sponsors and your previous attitude towards your now new sponsor? Does it even matter? I seriously don't get it, it's business that is all, there's nothing more to it, and anyone sensible enough can understand and see that, so why even address this issue?

That said, it IS your blog so I guess you can write whatever the hell you want, but it just seems so pointless to me, retards will always be retards, haters gonna hate, you name it, it's the internetz this is the stuff that happens all the time in it.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16:00
Warmup Cup 2
uThermal528
TKL 258
IndyStarCraft 228
SteadfastSC112
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 528
mouzHeroMarine 492
TKL 258
IndyStarCraft 228
SteadfastSC 112
UpATreeSC 100
BRAT_OK 79
ProTech55
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1468
EffOrt 880
Shuttle 877
Mini 305
firebathero 279
Dewaltoss 123
TY 94
soO 49
sas.Sziky 40
IntoTheRainbow 8
Dota 2
Gorgc11319
qojqva2078
League of Legends
Grubby2036
Dendi1036
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1326
fl0m1193
flusha347
Stewie2K201
Foxcn178
sgares97
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu499
Khaldor152
Other Games
summit1g2559
FrodaN2130
Beastyqt769
C9.Mang0238
mouzStarbuck188
KnowMe133
oskar124
Trikslyr70
QueenE46
Sick45
ArmadaUGS22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick45299
StarCraft 2
angryscii 18
Other Games
BasetradeTV16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 10
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3413
• masondota21009
• Ler67
League of Legends
• Nemesis5587
• Jankos1443
• TFBlade1081
Other Games
• imaqtpie1335
• Shiphtur633
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 9m
RSL Revival
15h 9m
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
OSC
18h 9m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Classic vs Cure
FEL
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
2 days
FEL
2 days
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-07-07
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.