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[Ramblings] Growth Cap; Future of our scene

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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
January 25 2013 01:01 GMT
#1
Unforgivable multi-topic rambling incoming.


I have been thinking about our scene for the past few days; specifically, the future of our scene has been occupying my thoughts. We were given an incomplete game, with the intention of turning it into something great; something like it's predecessor. From a spectator's point of view, we seem to be striving to make it into something great without just acknowledging and enjoying it's greatness for what it is, and just letting it be and grow. Our mindset is backwards. Our approaches are convoluted. I am not particularly worried about it though.

As things stand right now the foreign scene will not last. ESF will not last. Three day death marches will only hold top-player interest as long as they have to attend them. When money isn't as scarce there isn't any real reason to go to them. They will be left to the local talent and spare B and C teamers.

We can't be bothered to make a proper hype video for a tournament but can find the money to rent a 60 foot tv billboard. We can't find the time to put out proper videos of our players daily lives and edit them properly and use the easiest format for them and we certainly can't do any of those regularly. When we do we put it behind a pay wall, or require you to sign in to facebook, like it, post it, retweet it seven times, fill out a survey, spin around three times, and then if you still want to, can view the content. Oops the server is over-filled with requests, try again later. Oddly, Kespa has managed to do it from the get go.

They have more experience though. They've been doing this forever. Didn't we watch them do it forever? How did we watch
and then resort to "okay I'm gonna get on twitter, and I'm gonna say something and hashtag #gettinghyped. What I need you to do is retweet it, and then make something similar, and from there. we're gonna get people excited. And if we can get it trending, we've made it." How? How do you look at a model that worked for so long that you wished you could be a bigger part of and more involved with and then when you get the chance do anything but follow that working model?

Maybe people just aren't interested in your player content. It's the community's fault. Why is it the community's fault that you don't follow what works?

I'm not worried though. The weak will fall. If we stay open enough and try to be involved enough our Kespa overlords will stay involved with the foreign scene. We will either develop a league worth a damn or we won't. Either way I'll be able to watch the game I love and play.

I guess it's just kind of an emo night.

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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
January 25 2013 03:49 GMT
#2
I gotta disagree with you here, those videos mean nothing other than hype, which the sc2 community has plenty of. What matters is player skill, and right now eSF has that. KeSPA has the money, but the balance of power is tentative, and I wouldn't be surprised if both sides are forced to collaborate in order to keep e-sports on the map. After all, a high level politician was just added to KeSPA's board, he doesn't care about who wins out, he just wants e-sports to be big.
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BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
January 25 2013 04:15 GMT
#3
The SC2 scene isn't as big in South Korea as it is relative to North America and Europe. It's going to be extremely difficult for Kespa teams to operate playing in Korea only when there's not much money to be found there.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
January 25 2013 05:38 GMT
#4
Your reasoning for the foreign scene dying doesn't seem right at all. You seem to think that more money will be pumped into the international (particularly korean) scene when there isn't much of an indicator for that to happen. Sure, it could happen, but this isn't 2000. There are other competitors for Korean esports now (LoL). I don't think pro players will be comfortable enough to completely abandon all foreign tournaments.

That doesn't mean these tournaments can't or even shouldn't change, but the assumption that there are millions of dollars just waiting to be pumped into the SC2 pro scene doesn't seem to grounded in reality.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
dongmydrum
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 08:56:00
January 25 2013 08:54 GMT
#5
Well, that's what happens when a sport isn't monopolized. Its like how boxing is run nowadays. Lots of tournaments sponsored by many different parties that crown "champions." The titles start to become meaningless and the production value starts to decline.

Btw, I like this intro better
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