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SgtSater
United States59 Posts
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sertman
United States540 Posts
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
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Shaffty
4 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:53 JackDanger wrote: Then they shouldn't be basing their revenue stream on shocking people with big news in a small field where everyone knows everything that's happening. What should they rely on? Selling tickets to there stadium? | ||
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WhiteWOR
27 Posts
And again, a good read. I hope Slasher speak up for himself on LO3 later today. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
http://www.remappingdebate.org/article/journalists-service-pete-peterson?page=0,0 | ||
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Jazzyseid
Ireland4 Posts
garfield threatening to try and form a media cartel of who they will and wont talk to is something that needs to have the glare of the spotlight put on it. small time cheap behavior from one of the industries biggest names | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:43 shostakovich wrote: I disagree with you here. A difference of industries don't imply in a difference of journalism. Journalism should abide by the same principles no matter the context. Journalism is way bigger and more important than esports, it's the CEOs and teams that need to adapt, hire publicists and get their shit together, not the opposite. Journalism has a lot of push and pull to it, and if you're not in the position of power, you have to be able to compromise to get what you want in the future. That's just the nature of it. :/ It's not the difference in industries per se. It's the differences in clout, which you need to leverage in order to be a journalist. The job isn't just reporting news, it's also getting access to it. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
Alex goes on and on about slasher not helping anyone, but himself, but he's wrong because he does help the people. People want the news fast and now and he provides that service. To discount that value is pretty naive on Alex's part. Alex is the one being selfish, not slasher. | ||
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Mairu
United States222 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:24 Crashburn wrote:A journalist should not, cannot, be subject to the whim's of a company's bottom line. As someone who actively labels himself a journalist, Breslau should have zero interest in the maximization of EG's page views, or advertising revenue. I agree with most of what you said, but these statements especially. I was displeased with the conversation on yesterday's ITG because Alex's argument was his anger that Gamespot is taking page views away from EG and the way he went about showing it felt like less of an argument on the conceptual goals of enthusiast journalism and much more of a personal attack against Slasher for having an effect on EG's bottom line. | ||
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Shaffty
4 Posts
I hate how everyone is taking this as a chance to bash EG and Alex. They were all there trying to better everything not just EG's agenda | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Thank you for sharing your thoughts here on TL! EDIT: Hope someone spotlights this | ||
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Incandenza
United States56 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:02 Canucklehead wrote: Great blog! There's a lot of naivety going in esports and this blog makes great points. Alex embarrassed himself and EG last night with his comments. Stand by and support slasher 100%. Press should not be reduced to be EG puppets like Alex wants them to. It's not slasher's job to make sure EG maximizes its page views or sponsor exposure. He breaks news the people want to hear and I for one thank him for that. Alex goes on and on about slasher not helping anyone, but himself, but he's wrong because he does help the people. People want the news fast and now and he provides that service. To discount that value is pretty naive on Alex's part. Alex is the one being selfish, not slasher. Out of curiosity, what news is Slasher providing that's actually indispensable or revealing? When you say 'he does help the people,' what is something he's shared that wouldn't have been revealed otherwise? I really don't care that Slasher leaks stuff, but he's biting the hand that feeds him. Let's trot out Alex's argument a bit: you hurt e-sports revenue of the top team, sponsors aren't getting the bang for their buck, they pull out, teams suffer, e-sports crumbles, and Slasher no longer has a scene to report on. There's a lot of trust in journalism and relationships matter. Will be interested to see where it goes... | ||
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SgtSater
United States59 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:04 Mairu wrote: I agree with most of what you said, but these statements especially. I was displeased with the conversation on yesterday's ITG because Alex's argument was his anger that Gamespot is taking page views away from EG and the way he went about showing it felt like less of an argument on the conceptual goals of enthusiast journalism and much more of a personal attack against Slasher for having an effect on EG's bottom line. Absolutely agree. My mouth was agape listening to the personal attacks coming out of Garfield. Before last night, I had always considered him a very professional team owner. His comments had a huge affect on my opinion of not only him as a person but the organization as a whole, not to mention their overall non-productivity. Seems like he dragged Slasher into the EG fire pit and put him on blast for doing something that hurt EG's pockets. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:04 Mairu wrote: I agree with most of what you said, but these statements especially. I was displeased with the conversation on yesterday's ITG because Alex's argument was his anger that Gamespot is taking page views away from EG and the way he went about showing it felt like less of an argument on the conceptual goals of enthusiast journalism and much more of a personal attack against Slasher for having an effect on EG's bottom line. His argument may not be great, but I can understand why he is pissed. Alex works hard on every announcement and deal he makes, so it is only natural that he is upset when it gets leaked. I don't think he should have confronted Breslau on ITG, but they should have a discussion. Like it or not, the Esports community is very small and Slasher has a lot of friends on every team. If the team members and owners have to choose between their friendship with Slasher and their hard fought advertising revenue, it will be no fun for everyone involved. They likely need to have a mature discussion about balancing the two. | ||
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Normalised
Macedonia27 Posts
Should Slasher wait for the team owners to say 'its ok now, you can do your job' ? | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:07 Incandenza wrote: Out of curiosity, what news is Slasher providing that's actually indispensable or revealing? When you say 'he does help the people,' what is something he's shared that wouldn't have been revealed otherwise? . All his leaks about player signings. You're another one of the people that just doesn't get it. It has ZERO relevance that the news would be public later. The value in the news is the timing on it and people getting to hear that news early. It's why there are tons of rumours about trades/signings in sports all the time. People DO NOT want to wait to hear about every trade and signing only when the teams officially announce them. To not be able to differentiate between the timing of news is why I say a lot of people in esports are naive. They keep saying over and over again, the news will be public anyways, so it has no value and people should just wait. Breaking news early has a ton of value for people. Always has always will. In canada they do whole day specials on NHL trade deadline day where all they do is speculate on trades being made and trying to break them first for the people to hear. If people did not want to hear that and only wanted to wait for team's official press releases about the trades they made, then they would not watch. However, the people see huge value in hearing the news first, so stations like TSN get record ratings for these shows! http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=389089 TRADECENTRE '12 SETS RATINGS RECORDS FOR TSN, TSN.CA Monday wasn't a blockbuster day for NHL trades, but it certainly was a blockbuster day for TSN, as hockey fans once again turned to Canada's Sports Leader in record numbers to experience the country's most comprehensive coverage of NHL Trade Deadline Day with the multiplatform event, TRADECENTRE '12. "With records set on all of our industry-leading platforms yesterday for TRADECENTRE '12, it is extremely humbling to know that Canadians have once again overwhelmingly chosen TSN as their #1 destination for breaking news and analysis on NHL Trade Deadline Day," said Stewart Johnston, President, TSN. "It's clear that fans can't get enough of the country's favourite pastime and that they consistently turn to TSN when it matters the most." | ||
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Incandenza
United States56 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:11 Canucklehead wrote: All his leaks about player signings. You're another one of the people that just doesn't get it. It has ZERO relevance that the news would be public later. The value in the news is the timing on it and people getting to hear that news early. It's why there are tons of rumours about trades/signings in sports all the time. People DO NOT want to wait to hear about every trade and signing only when the teams officially announce them. To not be able to differentiate between the timing of news is why I say a lot of people in esports are naive. They keep saying over and over again, the news will be public anyways, so it has no value and people should just wait. Breaking news early has a ton of value for people. That's what I'm curious about. To me the fact value of X player signs with Y team isn't that interesting or worthwhile in and of itself. It is information that can be reported, but you can also report that you're wearing blue socks and that in three days you'll be driving fifteen minutes to a 7-11. So what? I have no qualms with what Slasher did from a journalistic perspective. I'm an editor for a trade magazine--I understand the journalistic rights that a reporter has. But what value does Slasher gain, as a journalist, alienating all potential sources for future news? We have few journalists in positions like his that can't shed interesting light and insights into issues. Slasher doesn't do that. He's a news ticker. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:20 Incandenza wrote: That's what I'm curious about. To me the fact value of X player signs with Y team isn't that interesting or worthwhile in and of itself. It is information that can be reported, but you can also report that you're wearing blue socks and that in three days you'll be driving fifteen minutes to a 7-11. So what? That's where you're wrong. Jaedong to EG is the main point and interesting part of the news. The fluff video later is just mainly for EG's benefit and is just used to dress up the main news, which was Jaedong to EG. Your second point is a strawman. Why make hype videos for Jaedong to EG? Why not make videos about incontrol putting on his socks and what colour he's going to wear today? | ||
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