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Braavos36379 Posts
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GodneyOfWar
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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Yammiez
Canada186 Posts
This thread contains a lot of great discussion but one thing I heavily agree with is the comparison between e-sports and regular sports for journalism holds little value. In my opinion (humble opinion as a fan and observer), the functional economies are fundamentally different. In some way, e-sports is mainly driven by hype, page-views, likes, followers, etc. which are in turn converted into revenue for these teams. It is understandable to be deeply distraught when the same news bits that generate numbers, and in turn money, are 'released' by another source, but this seems to be the raw nature of journalism. It always hurts to lose money, especially when immense strategies are employed to garner and nourish every little bit of news to maximize return, but come on... as an 'intelligent', internet community that wants to constantly be in the know, Slasher is taking unnecessary heat being a messenger. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
EG had to submit a line up to IPL, IPL told slasher that JD was in their line up. TL was in a biding war for snute, when other teams pulled out they knew who was left and so knew that snute was going to TL. Is it just "too bad"? TL had to rush their announcment and do it in lower quality than they had hoped becauise of slasher, slasher robbed the community of a lot of enjoyment. I think that yes slasher is in the right, but he is burning bridges, EG players wont give him interviews, and im assuming other teams wont, or in the future wont. i personally wont be supporting him by watching his interviews, watching LO3 or any gamespot related content. So yes, slasher is right, but even so, he should reconsider what he is doing as it well inevitably hurt him. | ||
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kckkryptonite
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: So yes, slasher is right, but even so, he should reconsider what he is doing as it well inevitably hurt him. The fundamental issue I have with this is that yes, it will hurt slasher in the end due to the boycotts and burning of bridges, but that is not what should be celebrated, but people like you are. Slasher has done nothing wrong, nor has been reporting facts wrong. He's just doing his job. People should be outraged that teams want to control slasher on when he should be able to announce things he finds out from 3rd parties and now they seek to punish him for it. To counteract people like you, I will be boycotting all of EG's sponsors due to Alex's actions.  | ||
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BestFriends
Canada133 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:40 The_Stampede wrote: I don't even understand why people are discussing it. It's hilarious how big headed Alex Garfield is. Slasher shouldn't have even been on that show, he didn't do anything wrong. Alex Garfield needs to learn not to be an idiot. User was temp banned for this post. I agree with this person, however it's unfortunate he presented the information in the way he did to receive a ban.I am 100% on the way slasher went and presented the information that he did. If he hadn't, who's to say that someone else wouldn't? The fault lies with Alex Garfield and his inability to retain information and leak little bits of info properly. A great example of this would be how TB handled his info on his recent pick ups with slasher. If TB, the manager of a middle end team, can handle it in a proper manner, why can't the CEO of the largest RTS Esports team do the same? All that would be needed would be to limit the amount of people that a secret is relegated to along with telling a specific league that a player will be joining, instead of outright making it public to one sector, while retaining privacy in another. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
And if you look at the thread about the article Slasher wrote and the official announcement thread, together they had more posts than Hero's official announcement. And that was at a time where things were all go go go with sc2. Did Slasher kill the hype on that signing too? And the Zenio signing? There was far more discussion about Snute than Zenio. Also, what is this revenue train that player signings create? And if its so great, why are the vast majority of signing announcements boring as fuck? These mid tier team signings that Slasher is really hurting, what are they? Which ones did he really fuck up? Cause almost all of the announcements are just a short post saying so and so joined team X with a bit of backstory. Or Slasher posts its on gamespot and then the same press release is sent out from the team. Slasher isn't killing esports. Not buying it. Quite frankly most esports journalists seem too scared to do what Slasher does, mainly because they don't have a site like GameSpot backing them. And that makes me sad. Journalists in esports have next to no power and are at the will of teams/players/leagues for the most part. And thats just not good. Its not how things work in the real world and esports should be no exception. If Slasher gave in and stopped doing what he is doing, when can we start again? When can journalism be journalism? Its a slippery slope. Journalists would be at the will of teams even more than they are now. And that is horrifying to me. | ||
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Nethermind
New Zealand445 Posts
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llSpektrll
United States77 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:51 Canucklehead wrote: The fundamental issue I have with this is that yes, it will hurt slasher in the end due to the boycotts and burning of bridges, but that is not what should be celebrated, but people like you are. Slasher has done nothing wrong, nor has been reporting facts wrong. He's just doing his job. People should be outraged that teams want to control slasher on when he should be able to announce things he finds out from 3rd parties. To counteract people like you, I will be boycotting all of EG's sponsors due to Alex's actions. lets be honest if you are that easy to not buy any EG sponsor products, you werent goin to in the first place. anyone who would buy products of EG sponsors becaus they sponsor EG wont change their position that easily. i personally have never liked slasher anyway, this just confirms my dislike of him and desire to not help him with ad views or content numbers. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
Alex addresses this breifly and clearly during the show. Where income into esports comes from is the key to this issue. I'd like to add to that idea, that esports is clearly far far smaller than even some less mainstream sports, such as Cricket. Therefore, Media and players and teams MUST get a long, and it is a one way street. Media need something to report, and want something to report, so they can draw views to their sites and blogs and the like, and in turn sell advertising and in turn receive advertising revenue. Teams want to do the same directly as well, and if the team releases the news first, all can benfit quite well, as where if news breaks first, the team does not benefit nearly as much as the first scenario. So, media, it can feel justified all it wants. It has that right. But I feel Slasher is the Perez Hilton of esports news, he's a tabloid, not to be taken seriously. The teams and major makers of news might boycott him for a period of say half a year, and I think that would be sufficient for him to learn what hard journalism work really is, if he doesn't know already. And with a his self professed nickname of !@#$slasher, I find it very hard to take him seriously. And why should I? | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On January 17 2013 04:34 Yammiez wrote: Bill, Thank you for your professional insight, it was a great read. This thread contains a lot of great discussion but one thing I heavily agree with is the comparison between e-sports and regular sports for journalism holds little value. In my opinion (humble opinion as a fan and observer), the functional economies are fundamentally different. In some way, e-sports is mainly driven by hype, page-views, likes, followers, etc. which are in turn converted into revenue for these teams. It is understandable to be deeply distraught when the same news bits that generate numbers, and in turn money, are 'released' by another source, but this seems to be the raw nature of journalism. It always hurts to lose money, especially when immense strategies are employed to garner and nourish every little bit of news to maximize return, but come on... as an 'intelligent', internet community that wants to constantly be in the know, Slasher is taking unnecessary heat being a messenger. i disagree with that. but even pretending that your opinion is correct, that's really just more evidence that the foreign "everyone for themselves" model is garbage and won't last long-term (since previous history is just forgotten). If there was an umbrella company over teams and that coordinated with the press things like this wouldn't happen as much (as well as there being more financial stability in general). And even then there isn't much of a need for cooperation. Frankly though, I doubt the number of "page views" being swung greatly either way. Beyond even THAT part of the bigger issue also lies in teams complete lack of effort to promote themselves or their players or their news in any exciting medium in general. Proleague has off the bat. Axiom has since they started two months or so ago. Two or so months ago...a full two years into sc2. It's a sad mess. | ||
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Recoil
United States276 Posts
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jmbthirteen
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
EG, you're my favorite team but please don't act like the world should only act when you say it can. That's bullshit and you know it. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
In the end it's EG's responsibility to not have information leaked if they don't want it leaked. If multiple parties are involved, sorry but tough shit because it's going to get out unless you have some type of NDA involved. | ||
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