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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
December 22 2012 20:05 GMT
#1
.. in the level of epic-ness. Watching opening of the GSL Blizzard Cup Grand Final, I was struck by the number of epic matches that featured Terrans! I didn't count, because I didn't need to. It wasn't even close!

The problem with balance before, atleast one major part of it, was due to the fact that Terran was such a well-designed race. With units that reward micro, Zergs and Toss pro-players were often left struggling.

In order to solve this imbalance, however, Blizzard buffed units that still don't reward micro. Nor did they introduce more rewarding micro into Zerg and Toss gameplay. Thus, we have the problem of a lowered skill ceiling that is wrecking balance in the pro scene. But that's not all!

Combined with imbalance at the pro-level, and the fact that high-reward micro play is so damn fun to watch, SC2 in the e-sports scene is taking a hit. Zerg and Protoss are just not that epic to watch. No offense intended to players, this is purely from a spectator POV.

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xPabt
Profile Joined February 2012
226 Posts
December 22 2012 20:09 GMT
#2
Pretty accurate.
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
December 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#3
2011 TvZ was boss. Remember the MMA vs DRG rivalry in the first team leagues?
Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
December 22 2012 20:47 GMT
#4
On December 23 2012 05:27 SnipedSoul wrote:
2011 TvZ was boss. Remember the MMA vs DRG rivalry in the first team leagues?


Yeah that was pretty damn awesome. It also seemed like every TvP was epic, especially Puma v MC games.
;;
madespecifically
Profile Joined December 2012
39 Posts
December 22 2012 20:52 GMT
#5
Very true. Only through a race that actually requires skill can we have an entertaining game. Unfortunately Blizzard doesnt seem to notice or care that all tournaments are dominated by zerg players in the last year and this is not the worst of it. As Ver very eloquently pointed out in his masterpiece of a thread , zerg imbalance is so big that it smudges the difference in skill between really good zergs and not so good zergs. That is why we have Scarlett taking games off DRG or Life. All recent tournaments sadly have an overabundance of zerg and a shortage of skilled players. In light of recent Blizz decisions buffing infestor range, I am quite convinced somebody at their balance team is quite insane.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 20:57:21
December 22 2012 20:55 GMT
#6
No bias in this thread, folks...

I do enjoy watching Terran games. But my favorite matchup to watch is PvP, personally. I also like ZvZ. And I feel like I've seen some exciting games in every matchup.

My favorite matchup in BW was ZvZ, though, so maybe I just have weird taste.
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
December 22 2012 20:59 GMT
#7
On December 23 2012 05:55 Zozma wrote:
No bias in this thread, folks...

I do enjoy watching Terran games. But my favorite matchup to watch is PvP, personally. I also like ZvZ. And I feel like I've seen some exciting games in every matchup.

My favorite matchup in BW was ZvZ, though, so maybe I just have weird taste.


God.. That one MSL with calm vs kwanro finals.. =__= never forget
I'm an old man now
Snugles
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom35 Posts
December 22 2012 21:02 GMT
#8
I just think that fungal is a stupid spell. Instant cast that deals massive damage and locks units in place, how do you micro when zerg casts it? I know that splitting should be the answer but if your a bit late then its hopeless and how are you supposed to split well at a low skill level especially moving your army like that?

At least it is being somewhat addressed but even in HOTS it seems like the same base problems remain. Oh well perfect video games don't exist I guess and I still think the game is mostly good and fun.
My life for eSports!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 21:05:03
December 22 2012 21:04 GMT
#9
On December 23 2012 05:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 05:55 Zozma wrote:
No bias in this thread, folks...

I do enjoy watching Terran games. But my favorite matchup to watch is PvP, personally. I also like ZvZ. And I feel like I've seen some exciting games in every matchup.

My favorite matchup in BW was ZvZ, though, so maybe I just have weird taste.


God.. That one MSL with calm vs kwanro finals.. =__= never forget
Quite possibly the least hyped MSL final in history. ^^ I enjoyed it, though.
Snugles
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom35 Posts
December 22 2012 21:06 GMT
#10
On December 23 2012 05:55 Zozma wrote:
No bias in this thread, folks...

I do enjoy watching Terran games. But my favorite matchup to watch is PvP, personally. I also like ZvZ. And I feel like I've seen some exciting games in every matchup.

My favorite matchup in BW was ZvZ, though, so maybe I just have weird taste.


No I like the mirrors as well, there is more variety and is tense all the way through unlike ZvP where toss does normally does one big attack and zerg just turtles all game long. snore......
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
December 22 2012 21:22 GMT
#11
Even though i love watching TvT in SC2, when i do watch it which is never, Terran often had the most exciting matches to watch in BW too.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 22 2012 21:41 GMT
#12
Terran is the only SC2 race where your aim isn't just to sit around and build up a scary army. Its almost amazing how badly Blizzard managed to design Z and P, they're 2 of the dullest races I've played in any RTS game.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 22 2012 22:58 GMT
#13
Terran actually has to do shit other than sit on your ass and create an unbeatable death ball or all in.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 22 2012 23:51 GMT
#14
On December 23 2012 07:58 IMoperator wrote:
Terran actually has to do shit other than sit on your ass and create an unbeatable death ball or all in.


Sounds like someone is not a happy camper.

Or unhappy because of campers...?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 23 2012 00:32 GMT
#15

On December 23 2012 08:51 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 07:58 IMoperator wrote:
Terran actually has to do shit other than sit on your ass and create an unbeatable death ball or all in.


Sounds like someone is not a happy camper.

Or unhappy because of campers...?


or because camping is awful in sc2 :D ?

Not like you can't "camp" in bw too but the dynamics are way more interesting.
Zest fanboy.
Unshapely
Profile Joined November 2012
140 Posts
December 23 2012 05:02 GMT
#16
On December 23 2012 08:51 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 07:58 IMoperator wrote:
Terran actually has to do shit other than sit on your ass and create an unbeatable death ball or all in.


Sounds like someone is not a happy camper.

Or unhappy because of campers...?


I see what you did here. Clever.

Though, it is true that much fun has gone from most P games because early P is very weak, especially when you consider the cost of units. Zergs don't even bother with early game attacks unless forced or coerced.

I miss the BW days when Mutalisks were so important in all Zerg match-ups. So much micro, so much destruction.
That is not dead which can eternal lie; and with strange aeons even death may die.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
December 23 2012 07:50 GMT
#17
On December 23 2012 09:32 sAsImre wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 08:51 ninazerg wrote:
On December 23 2012 07:58 IMoperator wrote:
Terran actually has to do shit other than sit on your ass and create an unbeatable death ball or all in.


Sounds like someone is not a happy camper.

Or unhappy because of campers...?


or because camping is awful in sc2 :D ?

Not like you can't "camp" in bw too but the dynamics are way more interesting.


of course they were more interesting and better in broodwar -rolls eyes-
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My favorite match in WoL still I think, was MVP vs MMA finals.
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