We Are Creating 22 Year Old Children - Page 3

On December 04 2012 01:27 QuanticHawk wrote:
5 starred for the SOR reference

On December 03 2012 14:38 DigiGnar wrote:
I think we should change up the work/education dynamics of society. Instead of having to learn general bullshit that will be mostly useless in a chosen career, we should have kids able to start education in a career, when they choose, by actually working in the environments they would be ten-fifteen years down the line in today's society, and being taught by people actually doing the work the career would entail. Let them start working a few hours a week when they turn 13 or something, and progressively let them have more hours as they age up to 16-18.

This way, they will have more financial experience, more work experience, and more educational experience than today's society when they turn 18.

Something along those lines.

On December 03 2012 14:52 ZapRoffo wrote:
Eh, lifespans are increasing in general, all the stages of life are lengthening a bit at least in the wealthy to semi-wealthy. More dependent on parents/parents money for a few more years. Retirement ages are increasing/going to increase because it's not sustainable as it is now so the workforce time will stretch a bit, and old age is increasing cause people are living longer. The gaps between generations are getting longer (so more time is focused on each kid), and have gotten longer as standard of living has increased since industrialization. And the more countries that get more developed, the more these trends will apply to them too. Lower birth rate is another one that goes with longer generation gaps.

It's just continuing demographic trends.

On December 03 2012 15:27 Enki wrote:
You left out trade schools. We will still need welders, plumbers, and metalworkers for quite a ways into the future, and yet all people talk about is going to a 4 year school and getting a degree. We have plenty of people already who have them, the labor shortages in the future will probably be from manual labor trades. Some high schools are already teaching this but it should be an option for all students. Not everyone wants to have their faces shoved in textbooks all day, they should have more options.

On topic I guess, most people in their younger 20s are more dependant then the previous generation. Back then colleges were more affordable, jobs more plentiful, job benefits better etc. Even if you have a degree nowdays, you still get shafted. You take jobs that require too much and give too little in return.

Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs actually did a talk about this awhile ago, about how the trade jobs are disappearing.

On December 03 2012 15:48 Harrad wrote:
lol i dont know whether there's some history between you two but calling other users out like that is a really poor move and makes you look like a jerk.

On December 03 2012 16:43 CecilSunkure wrote:
Though the blog was pretty funny, still bugs me a bit. I spend a lot of time working and don't really appreciate the stereotypes :/

On December 03 2012 17:13 StateofReverie wrote:
I like how you use my name in reference to your blog about creating "22 year old children". I am 18, so I guess your close enough, legal drinking age in the U.S. is 21 though, but I mean 18-22 year olds are all pretty much the same right?

There is a lot of fundamental values that are no longer taught in American education systems. The whole purpose of the whole education spectrum is to be able to study in a specific area of interest so that you can enter society as a fully functional adult who pays their taxes on times and supports the economy by buying things.

What I don't understand is why the education system doesn't address successful money management. If this were such an important concept, then why hasn't the U.S. government implemented new changes? It mainly has to do with how there is not really a national "standard" apart from SAT tests as a basis of measuring progress in different school systems across the country. It is harder to macro manage such a large system and there is no doubt that we have a flawed educational system, it is just still unclear how it will be solved with budget cuts and national debt ever so increasing.

You obviously state the large problem at hand in a very simplified view. Let's bring up what self-sufficient really means.

"Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy"

that's wikipedia definition of self-sufficiency. If someone doesn't go to university, the obvious benefits are that they can immediately start working and start managing their money from a small scale with little responsibilities. As you make more money (attain a higher position), you gain more responsibilities hence is how the corporate ladder works.

The benefits of me living in a college-dorm settings are pretty numerous

-exposure to a large amount of people

-living by myself (yes I do all my cleaning and laundry)

- cooking. I don't need to know how to cook now, but when I am a junior/senior I will learn how to cook. And I am not going to be a mediocre cook, contrary to popular belief that doing something new makes you automatically bad at it.

-Money management - I only rely on my parents for living expenses such as laundry, food, and cleaning supplies. I think you fail to realize that you can be a successful pothead. I get this all the time, people saying negative things about this, but WHERE DO YOU GET THE RIGHT TO JUDGE SOMEONE?

Do you treat people differently because they are gay, or because they do drugs? Also, if you wanted to fix this problem, just put everyone in the ghetto and make them become hustlers. Do you know why so many poor people do it? Because it's a good paying job that lets them STAY ALIVE and have access to a life otherwise not available from other means.

whos "we" too? Is that just referring to all the "people who live in the real world"? That's a pretty derrogative term, referring to you and whoever "we" represents as the inner group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism

edit:

I'm not going to say this is a correction, as I am obviously not a responsible adult, or even an adult for the most part, but I kind of find it humorous that you mention Canada, the U.S., G.B., and Australia.

Unemployment rate in the "real world" like Spain was almost at 25% in general, and a lot higher numbers for young people similar to this age bracket. That is almost an entire generation of people that are affected by a major economic crisis. If "we" are creating 22 year old children in the states you mentioned, what the fuck is going on in places like Spain and Greece? I guess we can just call them "little spartans" or something instead of children because they are going through a "real world experience" right? right?

Also, I am just going to go out on a limb here and say that you are not really aware of how the economy works if you can say

WHAT? WHAT? CLEARLY DOES NOT HAVE A BENEFICIAL EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY? I had to use all caps there because I have to emphasize what a terribly mis use of words, I guess someone was not introduced macro economics. (I think it falls under that category, I wouldn't know because I don't know anything really though

another edit: also approximately 24,000 over 4 years? You aren't really clear here because some colleges and universities tuition can be more than 24,000 a year but there are also places that will only cost you 24,000 over 4 years because of how inexpensive they are

On December 03 2012 18:47 Birdie wrote:
I live in New Zealand, so the situation is probably somewhat different, and my upbringing was not entirely standard. With that in mind, my parents aren't paying for my education. While there is a significant government subsidy (which I will end up paying for through taxes later on in life), I have had to raise the money myself over the last two years to be able to go to university. And these two years have changed me from a child into a man. I entirely agree with you that parents spoil their children. I think the schooling system affects it a lot as well. Most children are taught by teachers who are largely female, and don't have to deal with grumpy old men. They aren't forced to grow up nearly as quickly as you are when you're in the work force, where all your bosses are likely to be grumpy old men who demand perfection, and all the managers are the same. And you don't have to deal with authority the way you do in the real world. So yeah, in conclusion, the education system as a whole is like an entirely separate world from what really goes on, and people often remain children mentally until they leave the education system.

On December 03 2012 21:12 targ wrote:
I really don't know whether this 4 year university education becoming the standard is bad for the economy or not. Yes a ton of these university-educated people don't use the stuff they learnt there on their jobs, so the education doesn't increase their productivity. But if they didn't go to university they would go straight onto the job market, and the thing is that the supply of jobs in many countries is already not quite enough as it is, with automation and what not we don't need as many workers as the past. In a way the 4 years of university is soaking up unemployment.

On December 03 2012 21:42 Chef wrote:
Why would you use a guy right out of high school you hardly know as an example of a university student who learned nothing?

I think you've really stretched to say people learn no skills in university or are put under no pressure. I didn't know many people in university who did not have a job as the same time. I didn't know many people who weren't hungry for independence from their parents either. It's not fun to have to rely on one's parents, it makes you feel like you can't survive on your own. But this is the state of our depressing economy. You have to volunteer for a million hours, have great grades and work experience to even think about getting a normal job. Unless you are some lucky idiot who happens to know the right person.

I don't know whether your graduated university or not, or whether you're still in high school, but this has all the persuasiveness of the grade 9 essays I have to mark. OK good, you did a tiny bit of research to support your claims. The problem is they don't support them very well, and your opinion is controversial enough that it really needs a lot. I'd give it a B if you were a kid, but 40% for an adult because it shows a lack of critical thinking. All you're doing is pointing to a random fact whether it really supports what you're saying or not, and then saying the opinion you had before you found the fact. Ok, you found evidence of how much money it costs and how old people are when they leave university. What does that have to do with what they've learned? The majority of the time is not spent in class? Well, 15 hours a week normally. + transit. + homework. Depending on your degree, that can be a lot of homework. Depending on if you care about GPA and want a job, it doesn't even matter what your degree is because you need to do better than everyone else in your degree. It's way more work than you think, certainly much more than I'd ask from any high school student.

edit: actually you didn't even use your first source properly. You reference it (an online newpaper article, a terrible source by the way) to say that graduates are going in unrelated fields for white collar jobs. That's not what the graph in your link is saying -.- It is saying EVEN with an education, those people under 30 have no yet found work related to their skills, so they're working a grocery stores and stuff (I guess some of that could be called white collar, but a lot of it is manual labour). So wow, what a bunch of 22 year old children we have that can't find good work, don't they have it easy! Basically people working the same job they had during university zz And you are trying to say the problem is we aren't teaching them any life skills! Well welcome to the reality of Canada, it's not education that is the problem...

On December 04 2012 01:01 infinity21 wrote:
I'm a Canadian university student who paid his own way through university and made it through with minimal debt (<$500) even with very little government subsidies and an expensive trip to Asia this past summer. I'm graduating in a few weeks and have a decently paying job lined up in the field of my study. The majority of my free time is spent taking online courses to further my knowledge. While not everyone will fit all the same criteria, if you give a damn about school, you'll be able to achieve many of these things.

On December 04 2012 03:07 Dfgj wrote:
So edgy.

Spent two years working in the Army before university, don't skip classes, manage my own money, etc. I disagree with your stereotypes, basically, and your use of them (an inaccurate one too, SoR is a freshman, not a graduate) to build your conclusion.