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Hi all,
Writing on behalf of my fiance (Katie)
We are moving to North Carolina soon where I'll be stationed. So obviously I have my job (military), but she again will have to find work.
Background: She graduated with a Bachelor's in Legal studies. She worked at a bank(TCF), and recently an oil/gas company as a receptionist, maybe a couple years experience overall.
She originally wanted paralegal work, but the typical "you need experience" answer was the only result.
Now it's at the point where she really doesn't know what the hell she wants to do.
I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for work for someone who is pretty quiet/shy, and doesn't like jobs dealing with people (she's waitressed before).
I don't want links to Yahoo's top 10 jobs for introverts, or links to personality tests; Just personal opinions of jobs you think she may be interested in. Maybe jobs that you do yourselves, or jobs you know of that seems like it suits someone who isn't interested in dealing with people.
Sorry my post isn't very detailed, let me know if more details needed, thanks in advance!
 
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pro gamer in starcraft 2/dota/league
since she's introverted probably sc2
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your Country52797 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:40 OutlaW- wrote:
pro gamer in starcraft 2/dota/league
since she's introverted probably sc2
Playing starcraft has nothing to do with your personality...
There are all sorts of different personalities in starcraft players.
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^LOL real?
my advice: i dunno how much money you want to make, but cleaning is probably your best bet for not dealing with lots of ppl
obviously, you have to deal with SOME people no matter what job you get, but if you dont want to have to talk to lots of people (like waitressing) i wuold say some kind of small housecleaning job or whatnot.
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On November 26 2012 10:48 snively wrote:
^LOL real?
Yep! Clicky
There are introverts and extroverts alike playing in Masters.
Anywho, enough about Starcraft.
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she's in the wrong extrovert-fetishizing, service-economy-having society for that one, I'm afraid 
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Maybe some kind of internal administrative job? I have friends who do the "paperwork process" kind of jobs and they don't need to talk to people all that much, what is needed mainly is attention to detail.
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Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it.
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On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it.
Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel.
Simple as that really.
Nevermind something relevant to the degree she already has.
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thedeadhaji
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Your best bet is a personal secretary. Literally all you do is talk to that one person. One other job I would recommend is being a medical filer. What you do is you file medical documents and do desk work, not a receptionist, but rather the person that makes sure all files are where they are supposed to be.
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thedeadhaji
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On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really.
well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers.
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On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers.
She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field?
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Have her look into local government jobs. There can be lots of entry level roles in city and county offices with no to minimal public interaction. Usually the only real requirement is to have a degree then you take tests in the interview process.
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On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field?
The one professional programmer I know has no degree. Having a degree makes getting a job much easier (It can be quite hard without a degree and without contacts), but you can learn it on your own (You have to start with theory, though. Pseudo code and stuff like that), and then get a job off just an associate's degree, which isn't quite expensive at all (I'm assuming she lives in the United States, and that she therefor has to pay for her degrees / grades). Just learn programming, then go collect your degree after you already know it.
The things you learn from studying for an Associate's degree are not enough, but the degree itself is. People who hire look at degrees, even though they are quite pointless when it comes to programming. An old high level degree doesn't mean you can do what you need to do, and a new associate's degree doesn't either, but they still care a lot about it for some reason.
If you can
1: Learn to program
2: Get an associate's degree
and 3: Write some sophisticated programs to include in your resume then your chances are pretty good, and once you manage to get going, you're set for life.
You could skip step 3 and get a higher degree in computer science instead, but that's obviously more expensive and time consuming. You might be able to skip step 3 and get a job with just an associate's, without writing anything. Some people have done that, but if you CAN make programs to show off your knowledge, there's no reason not to.
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Librarian is a pretty stereotypical introvert job. You need an ALA accredited degree to be considered a "true" librarian (MLS, MIS or something similar, it just has to be ALA accredited).
However, you can get part-time/paraprofessional library jobs, usually with a bachelors. I landed one a few years ago then went back to school to get an MLS.
They are pretty hard to get, though, as a lot of people want them. They also don't pay particularly well and it is hard to get a full time library job without an MLS. Most states have a listing of open library jobs, here is the one for NC:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/ld/jobs.html
That shouldn't be considered a comprehensive list, and you'll have to go through each one and see which ones want an ALA accredited degree. Hope that helps.
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ok so what about the 1 bazillion other people who are also trying to get into the current fad field, and who might have some natural inclination for this (which is seems she doesn't, in particular)? This programming stuff is the worst advice I've ever heard
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I think looking for those kind of jobs is the wrong approach.
In every single job you have to deal with other people. Even as programmer - the usual job for introverts - i had to coordinate with coworkers, take part in design meetings, etc., in the end i spent more time talking to people than writing code. I hate talking to other people, i think every single person is an idiot and should just go away and die, but over time i learned to deal with others so they no longer get into the way of the work i want to do.
The reason for the shyness is probably because she doesn't feel like she has common interests with other people, BUT if she looks for a job she is actually interested in doing, she can meet people with the same interests and work on becoming less introverted. Of course an introverted person will rarely become extroverted, but not doing what you like to do because you might have to come into contact with other people is just hurting herself.
What hobbies does she have? Is there any hobby that might be turned into work?
TL;DR: She should try to find work in whatever area she actually loves to do, not find a job to avoid people even more.
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How about government work? Her degree could be useful in a courthouse or working for the municipality where you live. They're always looking for people with a background in law. Why not police or military? They need receptionists and background personnel and maybe you could help her get a foot in the door through people you know.
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On November 26 2012 11:51 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field? The one professional programmer I know has no degree. Having a degree makes getting a job much easier (It can be quite hard without a degree and without contacts), but you can learn it on your own (You have to start with theory, though. Pseudo code and stuff like that), and then get a job off just an associate's degree, which isn't quite expensive at all (I'm assuming she lives in the United States, and that she therefor has to pay for her degrees / grades). Just learn programming, then go collect your degree after you already know it. The things you learn from studying for an Associate's degree are not enough, but the degree itself is. People who hire look at degrees, even though they are quite pointless when it comes to programming. An old high level degree doesn't mean you can do what you need to do, and a new associate's degree doesn't either, but they still care a lot about it for some reason. If you can 1: Learn to program 2: Get an associate's degree and 3: Write some sophisticated programs to include in your resume then your chances are pretty good, and once you manage to get going, you're set for life. You could skip step 3 and get a higher degree in computer science instead, but that's obviously more expensive and time consuming. You might be able to skip step 3 and get a job with just an associate's, without writing anything. Some people have done that, but if you CAN make programs to show off your knowledge, there's no reason not to.
I don't think you know very much about what you're talking about, so maybe you shouldn't be giving advice.
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thedeadhaji
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On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field?
I'm in Silicon Valley and there are plenty of examples of coders w/ no degrees.
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On November 26 2012 12:44 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field? I'm in Silicon Valley and there are plenty of examples of coders w/ no degrees.
Yes and the point is we're talking about someone in North Carolina with a degree in legal studies.
Your advice to her was "go be a software developer engineer." Great advice. You don't get to 20k posts reading the entire OP every time I guess.
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yes but how many of those people decided to become coders because, you know, they just needed a job? I bet we're talking learn-to-program-because-you-like-it-and-oh-look-employment type nerds, right?
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On November 26 2012 12:35 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:51 vOdToasT wrote:On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field? The one professional programmer I know has no degree. Having a degree makes getting a job much easier (It can be quite hard without a degree and without contacts), but you can learn it on your own (You have to start with theory, though. Pseudo code and stuff like that), and then get a job off just an associate's degree, which isn't quite expensive at all (I'm assuming she lives in the United States, and that she therefor has to pay for her degrees / grades). Just learn programming, then go collect your degree after you already know it. The things you learn from studying for an Associate's degree are not enough, but the degree itself is. People who hire look at degrees, even though they are quite pointless when it comes to programming. An old high level degree doesn't mean you can do what you need to do, and a new associate's degree doesn't either, but they still care a lot about it for some reason. If you can 1: Learn to program 2: Get an associate's degree and 3: Write some sophisticated programs to include in your resume then your chances are pretty good, and once you manage to get going, you're set for life. You could skip step 3 and get a higher degree in computer science instead, but that's obviously more expensive and time consuming. You might be able to skip step 3 and get a job with just an associate's, without writing anything. Some people have done that, but if you CAN make programs to show off your knowledge, there's no reason not to. I don't think you know very much about what you're talking about, so maybe you shouldn't be giving advice.
Seriously.
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On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field?
'my' company does hire guys like that, all you need to do is to be able to answer some slightly difficult questions from our devs. We even actively sponsor local ruby conferences and seek out contributers to open-source projects we use on our servers.
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thedeadhaji
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On November 26 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 12:44 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field? I'm in Silicon Valley and there are plenty of examples of coders w/ no degrees. Yes and the point is we're talking about someone in North Carolina with a degree in legal studies. Your advice to her was "go be a software developer engineer." Great advice. You don't get to 20k posts reading the entire OP every time I guess.
Considering there are millions of people in this country who have sent hundreds of job applications to no avail, hunkering down to obtain skills that are in high demand all over the country is something that is at least worth looking into. If there are literally no jobs available for her current skillset, then she's either going to have to exit the workforce or pick up new skills. If that happens, then software is one of the best areas to look into for her.
If it doesn't work out, too bad, but it's foolish to dismiss it right off the bat given our current unemployment rate. Modern sw development imo is a more "artful" discipline than a "scientific" one, and its barriers to entry has gone down dramatically over the last 20 years for those without a technical background.
Like Rimstalker said, there are companies that are looking to pick up junior developers with little to no experience but with good potential and the right attitude and mentoring them, rather than looking to cold hire superstars. I have seen a job advert that literally said "we are looking for mediocre developers" to mentor and grow.
Why are you focusing on the ways in which this can't work, instead of the many ways that it can?
edit: and there are plenty of small - mid sized SW companies in the NC research triangle area. Some of my friends work there -_-. NC is probably one of the most tech-friendly states in that area of the country.
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On November 26 2012 14:31 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 12:44 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:38 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:35 thedeadhaji wrote:On November 26 2012 11:33 Sinensis wrote:On November 26 2012 11:13 vOdToasT wrote:
Learn programming, and then just sit at home writing code for a company. I know a guy who does it. Or she could just, you know, learn chemistry and work in a lab. Or, you know, just learn astronomy and go work on a radar. Or she could just, learn math and become a college math professor. Or maybe she could learn about physics and invent warp travel. Simple as that really. well SW is one of the very few areas where the "equipment" you need to learn the key skills is very very cheap (basically a decent computer + an internet connection + google). There are great resources out there online for people to take this step and there are many success stories out there where people with little to no previous technical background have successfully become developers. She's talking about getting a job. Who do you know that's hiring self taught programmers with no degrees, certifications, or experience in the field? I'm in Silicon Valley and there are plenty of examples of coders w/ no degrees. Yes and the point is we're talking about someone in North Carolina with a degree in legal studies. Your advice to her was "go be a software developer engineer." Great advice. You don't get to 20k posts reading the entire OP every time I guess. Considering there are millions of people in this country who have sent hundreds of job applications to no avail, hunkering down to obtain skills that are in high demand all over the country is something that is at least worth looking into. If there are literally no jobs available for her current skillset, then she's either going to have to exit the workforce or pick up new skills. If that happens, then software is one of the best areas to look into for her. If it doesn't work out, too bad, but it's foolish to dismiss it right off the bat given our current unemployment rate. Modern sw development imo is a more "artful" discipline than a "scientific" one, and its barriers to entry has gone down dramatically over the last 20 years for those without a technical background. Like Rimstalker said, there are companies that are looking to pick up junior developers with little to no experience but with good potential and the right attitude and mentoring them, rather than looking to cold hire superstars. I have seen a job advert that literally said "we are looking for mediocre developers" to mentor and grow. Why are you focusing on the ways in which this can't work, instead of the many ways that it can? edit: and there are plenty of small - mid sized SW companies in the NC research triangle area. Some of my friends work there -_-. NC is probably one of the most tech-friendly states in that area of the country.
This is what happened:
You saw in the sidebar "Jobs for introverts..." you clicked it, scrolled to the bottom the the page without reading a thing, and in the post box you wrote "SW engineer?" The only person you thought about the entire time was yourself.
This is a stupid suggestion because the person you're advising already has field and it isn't tech related what so ever. The OP even specifically said he didn't want yahoo's top 10 jobs for introverts. Imagine yourself posting this blog for your girlfriend. Are you really going to tell her she should consider software engineering?
Also I don't know about Silicon Valley, but I live on the East Coast and entry level programming work is -not- easy to come by. Even if it's your field and you have a relevant degree. Every job I've seen requires, at minimum, several years of experience AND good, relevant, references.
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thedeadhaji
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Thanks for assuming I didn't read the OP, when in fact I read every single word.
The main difference between our perspectives is that you are speaking from the supply side (OP's GF) and I am speaking from the demand side (what the labor market currently is in shortage of). If OP's gf can find something related to her past experience, then great! But keep in mind that in that case, she has defied huge odds in doing so. Youth unemployment in this country is hovering around 20% for a reason.
If she is unable to find something in her current domain (and millions of people cannot), then you have to start looking at things from the demand side. An acquaintance who was laid off from manufacturing and is training to enter nursing comes to mind. If this need arises (and there is a decent chance that it will), then I still stand by my position that SW is something she should consider. As mentioned earlier, people grossly overestimate the hurdles to programming. There are many many many examples of people picking up the skills from scratch, with no previous technical experience (just one of many examples I have seen: http://tech.yipit.com/2012/08/21/how-i-taught-myself-to-code-in-8-weeks/). OP says she is introverted, and for introverts, interacting with people is a serious mental and even physical burden. Then why not at least consider freelance frontend development and things of that nature? If she doesn't enjoy it, then dump it. But there's a chance that she might be captivated by it, and it's ridiculous to dismiss it without even laying an eye on a beginner's course at Coursera/Udacity/Codeacademy.
You say that I'm only thinking of myself, but in fact, you are only thinking of yourself when you assume that OP's GF cannot possibly handle programming and that my words are ill advised. Do you know her personally? Do you know that she has already considered coding before and absolutely detests it? You're speaking from your assumptions of her limitations, and it bothers me that you feel that my belief in her possible potential is misguided.
My words may in fact be ill advised, but that's for OP and OP's GF to decide, not you.
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Ignoring the side-track you guys appear to on: Has she though about applying for internal review board (IRB) positions? Usually most major hospitals will have an IRB. Her legal background could prove pretty great there. To quickly sum it up, an IRB is basicly the ones who approve clinical studies in the field of medicine to make sure there are no ethical violations. Usually there are 4-5 people on a review board and you meet once a month to discuss the studies.
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On November 26 2012 10:46 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:40 OutlaW- wrote:
pro gamer in starcraft 2/dota/league
since she's introverted probably sc2 Playing starcraft has nothing to do with your personality... There are all sorts of different personalities in starcraft players.
It was a joke. Dota and League are teamgames, so if she's introverted, SC2 fits better since it's 1v1....
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On November 26 2012 15:07 Sinensis wrote:
Also I don't know about Silicon Valley, but I live on the East Coast and entry level programming work is -not- easy to come by. Even if it's your field and you have a relevant degree. Every job I've seen requires, at minimum, several years of experience AND good, relevant, references.
That's really surprising, there's so many IT jobs everywhere else. Compared to most other forms of engineering, programming is just such a huge market.
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Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets?
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On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets?
Really not a good idea
Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker
Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job
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What i would say is that you should see introversion as an asset and talent, and not something you have to "fix" or "get around"
By far the most important thing is she finds something she is *interested* in. Just because people are introverted doesn't mean that they don't want to interact with other people, often it's the complete opposite. It's the kind and quality of interaction that is important
I have no idea what kind of interests your girlfriend has. Maybe she could be into teaching, maybe she should really be into programming, maybe she is happy being a secretary or a receptionist. Maybe she loves looking after animals or something, who knows?
The thing is, the reason why people suggest programming is not because programming is a good idea (it probably isn't), but because there are examples of introverts who discovered and fell in LOVE with programming, and garnered so much interest for it they turned it into their job. These guys live and breathe programming because they love it so much, and as a result nobody else in the field can match their creativity, insight and ingenuity on the topic
You should see introversion as an asset that allows her to really focus and excel at something she becomes interested in, not a liability
That's all i can really say
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On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets?
lol looking for fresh blood?
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On November 26 2012 16:51 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets? Really not a good idea Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job
You can deposit like $50 and be able to trade with some platforms. Granted, if you adopt a trading style that doesn't result in extreme profits, you won't be able to live off that equity for a while. However, if you did have a part-time job, you can compound this equity further, if you are already compounding like any smart person would do, and then really start to get somewhere. That's if you maintain steady profits.
No degeneracy involved.
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On November 26 2012 17:15 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 16:51 BrTarolg wrote:On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets? Really not a good idea Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job You can deposit like $50 and be able to trade with some platforms. Granted, if you adopt a trading style that doesn't result in extreme profits, you won't be able to live off that equity for a while. However, if you did have a part-time job, you can compound this equity further, if you are already compounding like any smart person would do, and then really start to get somewhere. That's if you maintain steady profits. No degeneracy involved.
What kind of stable life could you live like this? Why not just cut the middle man and just go straight to gambling...
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On November 26 2012 17:15 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 16:51 BrTarolg wrote:On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets? Really not a good idea Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job You can deposit like $50 and be able to trade with some platforms. Granted, if you adopt a trading style that doesn't result in extreme profits, you won't be able to live off that equity for a while. However, if you did have a part-time job, you can compound this equity further, if you are already compounding like any smart person would do, and then really start to get somewhere. That's if you maintain steady profits. No degeneracy involved.
You gotta be joking
Not only does the average person have absolutely no edge, but you have to pay up an absolutely ridiculous spread.
Either invest because you have a reason to (protection of assets, wealth etc. for example) or don't bother. The world of prop trading is so limited and small it's almost impossible to compete
I've had to explain this countless times, but your edge is usually about the same as playing the roulette wheel
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On November 26 2012 18:17 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 17:15 DigiGnar wrote:On November 26 2012 16:51 BrTarolg wrote:On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets? Really not a good idea Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job You can deposit like $50 and be able to trade with some platforms. Granted, if you adopt a trading style that doesn't result in extreme profits, you won't be able to live off that equity for a while. However, if you did have a part-time job, you can compound this equity further, if you are already compounding like any smart person would do, and then really start to get somewhere. That's if you maintain steady profits. No degeneracy involved. You gotta be joking Not only does the average person have absolutely no edge, but you have to pay up an absolutely ridiculous spread. Either invest because you have a reason to (protection of assets, wealth etc. for example) or don't bother. The world of prop trading is so limited and small it's almost impossible to compete I've had to explain this countless times, but your edge is usually about the same as playing the roulette wheel
Do you even trade?
My average spread is $.20. Yes, that's outrageous. I could be getting less than $.1, but I'm not leveled up enough for that type of account. Or, 2 pips.
You'll need to explain just one more time.
Prop trading is limited, LOL. How so?
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The suggestion to turn to programming is hilarious. We do not even know whether she has the mindset to delve into technical, mathematical issues, so the ferocity with which the programming advice is defended is unexplainable. In general, many people seem to suggest infeasible jobs. Why in hell do you assume she has talent as a trader or a writer?
What she seems to search is some kind of backoffice job that is moderatly paid, but also moderatly challenging? Nothing extravagant.
It would not be hard to suggest a couple of things in Germany, but I guess we have different business cultures anyways.
Maybe she could somehow find an administrative job at the military? If she has an excellent command of English, maybe she could offer language editing in English language as a freelancer? At my job, we often give such tasks to an American freelancer for 15$/h, which, of course, is not much. Communication with her is via Email only.
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Doesn't the American military set up jobs for partners? My brother is in the Army and on his camps alot of the Army wives run the shops/stores/washing places etcetc. Also the admin side of it is run by them too. Nothing like that in American Military?
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On November 26 2012 12:07 HardlyNever wrote:Librarian is a pretty stereotypical introvert job. You need an ALA accredited degree to be considered a "true" librarian (MLS, MIS or something similar, it just has to be ALA accredited). However, you can get part-time/paraprofessional library jobs, usually with a bachelors. I landed one a few years ago then went back to school to get an MLS. They are pretty hard to get, though, as a lot of people want them. They also don't pay particularly well and it is hard to get a full time library job without an MLS. Most states have a listing of open library jobs, here is the one for NC: http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/ld/jobs.htmlThat shouldn't be considered a comprehensive list, and you'll have to go through each one and see which ones want an ALA accredited degree. Hope that helps.
Librarian is a terrible suggestion for an introvert job. A huge part about library work relates to social interaction, wether it's general visitor's assistance (loaning, recieving, doing information work) or community interaction (book arrangements, co-operation with schools through teaching and book-pushing). The stereotype of the glassed librarian roaming between monolithic shelves is a very little part of the actual job.
Anyhow, not sure about jobs with her degrees. If she's got artistic inspiration though, an artist of some kind might be good. If she's good enough to advertise her art online, getting an international sales base without actual social interaction shouldn't be impossible.
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On November 26 2012 22:34 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 12:07 HardlyNever wrote:Librarian is a pretty stereotypical introvert job. You need an ALA accredited degree to be considered a "true" librarian (MLS, MIS or something similar, it just has to be ALA accredited). However, you can get part-time/paraprofessional library jobs, usually with a bachelors. I landed one a few years ago then went back to school to get an MLS. They are pretty hard to get, though, as a lot of people want them. They also don't pay particularly well and it is hard to get a full time library job without an MLS. Most states have a listing of open library jobs, here is the one for NC: http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/ld/jobs.htmlThat shouldn't be considered a comprehensive list, and you'll have to go through each one and see which ones want an ALA accredited degree. Hope that helps. Librarian is a terrible suggestion for an introvert job. A huge part about library work relates to social interaction, wether it's general visitor's assistance (loaning, recieving, doing information work) or community interaction (book arrangements, co-operation with schools through teaching and book-pushing). The stereotype of the glassed librarian roaming between monolithic shelves is a very little part of the actual job. Anyhow, not sure about jobs with her degrees. If she's got artistic inspiration though, an artist of some kind might be good. If she's good enough to advertise her art online, getting an international sales base without actual social interaction shouldn't be impossible.
Umm... what? I'm an introvert. And a librarian... While there is some truth to what you say, I generally find the social interaction at a library 100x better than that of typical "service" jobs in the US. You aren't pressured to sell something, or make tips, or bring a "customer" back. And most patron interaction is paced much slower and much less frequent than typical low-end service jobs.
There are lots of jobs within a library. Some involve pretty frequent "customer" interaction, while others involve almost 0 on a day-to-day basis. It depends where you work.
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I don't know why people is of the opinion that SW engineers are introverted people and you don't need to interact with other people if you are in that field. Maybe it's different in the US vs EU, but a typical programmer job here involves a lot of interaction with other people. Almost all SW planning and coding is done in teams where coordination and teamwork is a big part of the process. No one codes everything by themselves unless they are a selfemployed webmaster.
Since she has a degree in legal studies I could imagine some kind of legal secretary or number cruncher job would be relevant?
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She should volunteer doing something she is interested in at a place she wants to work at and try to make contacts that way. This paralegal thing... You need experience? Work for free. Maybe it's not the funnest thing, but if you can support both of you for now, it can lead to work she's actually interested in later.
Otherwise I dunno... She could move boxes or something in a warehouse. Or come out of her shell a bit and not worry so much. Social interaction is almost mandatory in our society. Maybe you don't want to do a song and dance, but you shouldn't have trouble doing random admin work and there's plenty of jobs that only need a BA in anything so that you can do boring office work and management stuff. Not to say it's easy to find work, but she's probably qualified for stuff like that if she is ok talking to coworkers and stuff. If you want no interaction at all you pretty much have to become a famous artist lol. Then you can live in the mountains if you want.
(and basically haji is right even tho someone got in a dumb argument with him. If she is willing to learn a new skill, software development is a pretty introverted activity in high demand. It will obviously be up to her if she is interested in SW, just like it is up to her if she is interested in any other work)
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On November 26 2012 18:56 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 18:17 BrTarolg wrote:On November 26 2012 17:15 DigiGnar wrote:On November 26 2012 16:51 BrTarolg wrote:On November 26 2012 16:40 DigiGnar wrote:
Instead of getting a job, why not try the financial markets? Really not a good idea Pretty much the equivalent of telling someone with no experience to deposit 40k and go pro in poker Not impossible, but not exactly a stable job You can deposit like $50 and be able to trade with some platforms. Granted, if you adopt a trading style that doesn't result in extreme profits, you won't be able to live off that equity for a while. However, if you did have a part-time job, you can compound this equity further, if you are already compounding like any smart person would do, and then really start to get somewhere. That's if you maintain steady profits. No degeneracy involved. You gotta be joking Not only does the average person have absolutely no edge, but you have to pay up an absolutely ridiculous spread. Either invest because you have a reason to (protection of assets, wealth etc. for example) or don't bother. The world of prop trading is so limited and small it's almost impossible to compete I've had to explain this countless times, but your edge is usually about the same as playing the roulette wheel Do you even trade? My average spread is $.20. Yes, that's outrageous. I could be getting less than $.1, but I'm not leveled up enough for that type of account. Or, 2 pips. You'll need to explain just one more time. Prop trading is limited, LOL. How so?
This is off topic, so i'll take to PM
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Theres one more thing i'd like to mention. Just because someone is introverted doesn't mean they don't crave or enjoy social interaction. Me and my entire family are *extremely* introverted. We still have friends and enjoy each other's company however.
There's a very big difference between spending time with *one* person you get on really well with and can relax easily, without any pressure to act in certain ways, and say going to a social event where one is forced to engage in smalltalk with large swathes of people
It is a given that social interaction is pretty much required in all walks of life. However, that doesn't mean it has to be the kind of social interaction you hate.
I would definitely consider this in mind when thinking about jobs and stuff.
If you end up working in a field you have a strong interest in, especially in a field which is likely to have more people like you ( ok i'll mention software just this once, but it doesn't have to be software!), you'll often find yourself around like minded people, and even if you're introverted you'll *enjoy* the social interaction because it will be the kind of meaningful and quality interaction that you crave.
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Being a delivery driver was fun. (I FUCKING LOVED THE JOB. Until I got fired.)
Best night was 30/h. Minimum pay is minimum wage. Something in the meantime, really.
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