EPTDo you play SC2 for fun? - Page 2
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Chowzor
Canada4 Posts
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
1) As I got to a higher level of play, I couldn't mentally overcome the fact that the game is, at its' heart, imbalanced. Knowing that certain styles that are available to certain races are "easier" to play really bothered me. I was always aware that, with enough skill, I could overcome this, but like IdrA, I just hated losing to people that I "felt were not as good as me." 2) The metagame was getting increasingly more stale. Turtle mech in TvZ, turtling until deathball in PvZ. These turtle styles really bothered me, I hated the fact that I could never attack into them and was forced to get up a deathball of my own. In my eyes, this almost negated any macro advantage that one could get, since so many of my games came to be decided by a deathball vs. deathball clash. 3) I didn't like the fact that SC2 is a game that demands that you are constantly "in shape". When I was playing daily, I was feeling good about my play and was enjoying myself. However, after taking breaks of about a month, coming back to the game was really difficult. I was macroing really poorly and needed practice to get back into my stride. This was pretty demotivational when coming back after a break. 4) I encountered huge amounts of BM on ladder. Pretty much every game started out with a "fuck you" or "fuck your imba race" from people who didn't know what they were talking about. Even though I was going for a very conservative macro style, I didn't see a single "gg" in what felt like 10 games. 5) Spectating didn't feel the same to me anymore, I wasn't getting the excitement and the nerd chills that I was once getting. I still watch tourneys sometimes but it's just gotten a little bit old, to be perfectly honest. Pretty sure this has something to do with #3. Though I enjoy watching a bit of TLOs stream with his ultrafast, spammy zerg style. 6) Lack of friends that play the game. This one is obvious, most of my gaming friends play LoL. You either got friends that plays SC or you don't. It's nearly impossible to get people to start playing this game. And besides, would you really want a bunch of bronze league friends that always bug you for 2v2s? LoL is just much more accessible because it's a free download and, because of its' team nature, you are able to play with friends even if you have a significant skill differential. It just got a bit too depressing getting into that barren wasteland that is Battle.net 0.2. 7) Ladder anxiety started getting to me. The higher level you get to, the more it bothers you. For some reason, it feels like a "rank" (that no one I know even sees) is enshrined above all. I started getting worried about dropping out of master's league. Instead of the simple satisfaction of playing a few games in a row, I was now playing to win. Every 5 game lose streak made me feel like shit, provoked the fear of dropping in rank. The more hardcore people can't really relate to this but it's definitely something that's on your mind when you don't play that much. I never had this before but began to develop this at some point. 8) Some other shit that I'm prolly forgetting right now. Basically, I enjoyed the game when I first got it. I played for a while, got to a respectable level of play. But the longer I played it, the more I got dissatisfied with it, for the reasons stated above. Now I don't play anymore, though I spectate from time to time. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
 EDIT: Oh yeah, and everybody I knew that played SC2 switched over to LoL, I used to have a Facebook group filled with people that played the game the moment they had a chance, now it's just me and one or two others. | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:06 clever_us wrote: What’s worked best for me has been trying to remind myself that it’s just a game, trying not to take it seriously, and focusing on improvement rather than winning or losing. A single win means nothing. A single loss means nothing. Even a streak of 15 losses means nothing (except that you should probably stop playing). All that matters is improvement. Right? This is about the most important thing you can learn, not only in SC2 but in all aspects of life. Focusing on little things like your macro or build execution will give you a more specific goal not tied to winning that will not only improve you faster, but make it more fun as well. Being focused only on winning specifically will suck out the interest for a lot of people and make it seems overwhelming, at least it does to me. Being results based in general isn't a great way to approach problems, rather look at the underlying process to learn and solve. I don't really understand the drive to play a game like StarCraft if your main goal isn't to have fun. It's a silly video game we all take a little too seriously sure, but in the end if you're not having fun there are considerably better ways to spend your time. I don't play a ton of SC2 but when I do it's for the interesting challenge and the thrill of improving at things I am terrible at. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
For me, fun isn't winning or losing. It's: a. Striving to play as perfect a game as possible. That means that even if I win - if the game felt like crap to me, then I won't be happy. b. Striving to play as fast as possible. I love mechanics and execution. Yeah heyoka, you've got it  . For me, as long as I focused on winning, my fun would be tied to my ups and downs. This is how I learned to make the game fun again. | ||
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Left4Cookies
Denmark803 Posts
On November 13 2012 07:31 heyoka wrote: This is about the most important thing you can learn, not only in SC2 but in all aspects of life. Focusing on little things like your macro or build execution will give you a more specific goal not tied to winning that will not only improve you faster, but make it more fun as well. Being focused only on winning specifically will suck out the interest for a lot of people and make it seems overwhelming, at least it does to me. Being results based in general isn't a great way to approach problems, rather look at the underlying process to learn and solve. I don't really understand the drive to play a game like StarCraft if your main goal isn't to have fun. It's a silly video game we all take a little too seriously sure, but in the end if you're not having fun there are considerably better ways to spend your time. I don't play a ton of SC2 but when I do it's for the interesting challenge and the thrill of improving at things I am terrible at. That's some very solid advice right there, and when I think about it, I don't understand why I haven't thought about it before. It's been quite a while since I realized this in school. It doesn't matter whatever the result at the end is (not talking about exams here, but just solving problems in general), it's about how you get there, the process and learning to learn. When I think about it, it makes total sense to apply this to Starcraft as well if you're having this "problem" with the game - like I do! | ||
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Adersick
United States216 Posts
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
E.g., I'm trying to play ling / bling / muta in zvp, which can be incredibly fun, when it's actually working. On other days, I'm bored by the game, I can't really express why. Then I can barely motivate me to do anything intelligent inside the game, so I'm massing roaches and I'm a-moving them to victory (or death). I really love the game, but I can't play it "seriously" enough to really compete on the ladder, so I'm trying to have fun with my limited skill. Most of the time, I'm happy with that. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 13 2012 04:20 Glurkenspurk wrote: No. Not even close. I hate the game 99.9999% of the time. But it's the only thing I'm decent at. You should think about it. How did you get good at SC2? You practiced. A lot. Imagine if you put the same amount of practice into something else like guitar or karate or whatever. You'd probably be good at that too | ||
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cLvrandomness
Malaysia19 Posts
recently, i've been losing a lot and was wondering why i even started to play the game in the first place, which is to play for fun. i'm not really high up the ladder (diamond) but most of the PvX MUs have become extremly boring to me. i can kinda relate to OP's post | ||
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meteorskunk
Canada546 Posts
I definitely think people take it too seriously, including me. What is so great about winning? Well it feels good (that is if your ego is your reason for playing). If you just like watching and experiencing starcraft for itself it does not really matter the result. I agree that for myself, the best mindset is that starcraft is not made up of individual games but is rather an MMO in which I am my character and I can learn something new in every game. This thinking has led me to theorize that perhaps some of the staleness is a result of this attitude of wanting to win so badly? Fewer and fewer peopel are trying fun things because they want the ladder points. I honestly think the lower leagues have some superb play going on in them because people are just winging build orders but they are thinkign for themeslves making some interesting games. thats not to say higher leagues don't think for themselves.. i more just mean you get different types of games because not everyone is doing something that is calculated, designed, perfected for the sole purpose of winning. | ||
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