• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:51
CEST 17:51
KST 00:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1916 users

A short rant on casual player retention.

Blogs > Myrkskog
Post a Reply
Myrkskog
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 07:36:19
October 26 2012 07:34 GMT
#1
Blizzard's latest and greatest idea on how to retain casual players has arrived in the form of a new "leveling" system. I'm sure everyone is familiar with it, but for those who aren't, prepare to be dazzled;

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7681240/Heart_of_the_Swarm_Preview_Leveling-10_25_2012


/yawn. Who cares about more portraits. How are portraits going to motivate anyone other than the most hardcore achievement whores to ladder at all? How are portraits going to get the casual player interested in watching the GSL? Did you guess that it won't? You are right, and blizzard would be lucky to have you.

A big part of the casual experience that gets very little attention is team games. Casual ladder players enjoy team games. Want to improve the experience of casual players? How about making some decent 3v3 and 4v4 maps to keep us playing. This seemingly impossible solution gives a little hug to E-Sports as well. The motivation to watch an MLG or GSL is much higher when a casual player's experience is in some way relatable to the professional experience. Sorry, Nexus Wars, I still love you!

As it stands, 90% of the 3v3 maps are smaller than David Kim's cock. And given how much time he and Dustin Browder spend ass fucking each other, they are probably less shitty, too. There is only 1 expansion for each team member and then they have to fight over the single remaining expansion. It turns into a 2 base 10 minute bore fest every time. 4v4 is hardly better.

As someone who played a ridiculous amount of 3v3 in Broodwar, it drives me crazy that Ulaan Deeps and Dig Site are still in the game. Look at the new maps for this 3v3 season. Monsoon and Silent Dunes. Are you fucking kidding me? A frequent rotation of decent 3v3/4v4 maps is how you keep the casual ladder players happy, not 25 more useless portraits to throw on the pile.

But therein lies the problem, and it is the same problem that has plagued SC2 since its release.

Maps.

Blizzard just doesn't get it. After 2 years they still can't comprehend the role maps play in their game. They simply react to the community's outrage about maps without ever really understanding it. Just look at HoTS. As soon as Blizzard is solely in charge of maps again, they go right back to the same dumb maps as the release of Wings Of Liberty.

It's like Blizzard is a severely retarded person who has a habit of pooing into his hand at the dinner table and putting it on his plate beside the broccoli. He knows that those around him scold him when he does it, but he never genuinely clues in as to why it is wrong in the first place.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck Ulaan Derps.

[image loading]


*
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 07:59:15
October 26 2012 07:56 GMT
#2
Such vulgarity and hostility really clouds your main arguments by cheap attempts of wit.

How are portraits going to get the casual player interested in watching the GSL?

They won't. This is to retain a player-base to which you can introduce fans of the game and transform them into fans of a scene. Portraits won't transform people to the scene, it will merely give them more reason to play and continue to play.

A big part of the casual experience that gets very little attention is team games. Casual ladder players enjoy team games.


Is it because team-games are typically less serious that you attribute a majority of a "casual" base to like team games over custom games, FFA, 1 vs. 1, etc.? Additionally, what defines a "casual" type of player and what is the percentage of casuals over total users?

As it stands, 90% of the 3v3 maps are smaller than David Kim's cock.
Vulgar crap.
And given how much time he and Dustin Browder spend ass fucking each other, they are probably less shitty, too.
Vulgar crap.

If you want them and their development team to change something, direct your anger into more constructive posts like you are doing here, except cut out all the explicit shit that makes you sound both irritable and childish.


It's like Blizzard is a severely retarded person who has a habit of pooing into his hand at the dinner table and putting it on his plate beside the broccoli.


I agree on your two main points to update the team maps and to find new ways to retain a "casual" player-base, but I think a lot of what you wrote is misguided on how to convert players into fans of E-Sports.


I also think it's narrow-minded to think that they're only introducing portraits to retain playership. I mean, it's been talked about 1,000 times that a clan system is coming. In addition, the experience bar is a much better way to display progress (something a lot of people enjoy), while the rewards aren't to everyone's liking; it's still pretty good.

You also ignored the map/match-up and other stats that would be included in your profile. I'm not sure why that wasn't more of a pinnacle point of your post. Really unfortunate.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
October 26 2012 10:30 GMT
#3
Wow, OP really manages to sell his point short, but it´s gonna get edited soon, anyway.

Otherwise I agree. To clarify, I´d add: A "casual", not-competitive online gamer is mainly interested in various aspects of team games, be it social interaction, or a relieved burden of responsibility etc.

The social aspect of a game is not as well adressed through chat channels, networking and unlock opportunities as it is through social gameplay, i.e. teamplay. If SC2 supported teamgames better, then that could be a major motivation to play for many people.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 321
TKL 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7126
GuemChi 4280
Britney 2242
EffOrt 1508
Mini 711
ggaemo 615
BeSt 405
Light 349
firebathero 285
Sharp 121
[ Show more ]
Zeus 103
Barracks 86
Sexy 81
Hyun 61
Sea.KH 61
Killer 52
Backho 48
Pusan 47
ToSsGirL 44
PianO 38
Movie 30
soO 25
zelot 24
Hm[arnc] 19
Rock 19
Terrorterran 18
IntoTheRainbow 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4758
qojqva1634
syndereN388
420jenkins178
monkeys_forever172
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1058
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King145
Other Games
singsing2020
B2W.Neo1156
hiko1144
Liquid`RaSZi953
Beastyqt856
FrodaN514
Happy424
ceh9312
Hui .261
ArmadaUGS118
elazer113
Liquid`VortiX84
Livibee58
KnowMe55
Trikslyr41
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV274
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream43
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 41
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1881
• Jankos1449
• TFBlade1205
Other Games
• WagamamaTV386
• Shiphtur218
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
9m
RotterdaM321
Replay Cast
8h 9m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 9m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 9m
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
19h 9m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
1d 17h
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
2 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.