• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:49
CEST 07:49
KST 14:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)73ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BW General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9373 users

The technique of the professional VS average

Blogs > jameswatts
Post a Reply
jameswatts
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
South Africa127 Posts
October 21 2012 21:01 GMT
#1
I once entered a game, in Bronze League as usual. And the player kindly informed me that my defeat was imminent. In the sense, that he was just playing on his friends account and he was a Diamond League player. I was Terran, he was Zerg. I replied that I was complacent about my pending death, yet told him he won't take me without a fight. And so I gathered some Bio and tried to hold my ground... but eventually a swarm of roaches overcame me and consumed my army and base.

What impressed me was the replay. Watching the systematic manner that he moved with. As per usual he established his natural expansion, and there was I suppose a brief window period where within if I'd found him I could've done damage considering he was just droning up, assuming I would not attack. Yet this is immaterial. It is more so the mind-state he applied and precision he moved with. Such brutality and deliberation!! It is that assumption, that variable that's set to TRUE, or de facto, the Pro player begins to kill you from the first second you enter the game. They don't just enter the game and follow some passive routine, ignoring the movements of the enemy. Not too mention I was terrified by the amount of EPM & APM he scored. How does one get to that level of constantly controlling & clicking, doing something with purpose instead of frantic spam, or blind strategy which will eventuate into nothing? Is it a gift inherent within some, or does it take hours of uninterrupted pracise? I wish I could just for a second experience, what it's like to have that control and power

**
The essence of life flows within. The way is made clear when viewed from above
Vestrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada271 Posts
October 21 2012 21:40 GMT
#2
It's practice and experience. If you keep working at it, one day you'll achieve that level of control and precision too
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
October 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#3
Diamond league and professional :O?
On your last question. It just takes some deliberate practice, to reach masters. I firmly believe anyone can do it. Usually they are just lazy. Not lazy in the sense that they don't play enough, lazy in the sense that they don't actively try to improve.
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 23:24:46
October 21 2012 23:21 GMT
#4
It's practice, until you get to top 50 grandmasters, then you need some talent.

By practice I don't mean just play more, I mean you have to actively analyse your replays, figure out how you can improve etc. You also have to do a lot of research on the side and see what techniques existing good players are using. It will take a lot of time, (aka don't expect to see noticeable results until you do this non-stop for several months, this really can turn into a full time job).

I wish I could just for a second experience, what it's like to have that control and power


I'm high masters and I can tell you this:

If you are playing against someone you know is worse than you, it feels boring. the only entertainment comes from the troll messaging.

If you are playing against someone around the same level, it feels like you are at the mercy of this "obviously imbal" game that you can do nothing about lol.
Dess.JadeFalcon
boomudead1
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 00:23:33
October 22 2012 00:18 GMT
#5
lol. how does he do all that? just keep playing the game and u eventually do all that. well how i know? thats how everyone become when they play longer. it doesnt take that long. depend. but u just need to know what to do. and why waste 2-3 second doing some action when u can just do em in .5 sec? u still need to know what to do first b4 u can do it fast. the more u play. the more things u do in like 2 seconds. thats how he got so much epm/apm

and most of it is because we do it for too long. its just there in the back of our head. no need to think about what to do. we just do
its not gifted. u just get used to it
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
October 22 2012 01:13 GMT
#6
On October 22 2012 08:21 Kalingingsong wrote:
It's practice, until you get to top 50 grandmasters, then you need some talent.

By practice I don't mean just play more, I mean you have to actively analyse your replays, figure out how you can improve etc. You also have to do a lot of research on the side and see what techniques existing good players are using. It will take a lot of time, (aka don't expect to see noticeable results until you do this non-stop for several months, this really can turn into a full time job).

Show nested quote +
I wish I could just for a second experience, what it's like to have that control and power


I'm high masters and I can tell you this:

If you are playing against someone you know is worse than you, it feels boring. the only entertainment comes from the troll messaging.

If you are playing against someone around the same level, it feels like you are at the mercy of this "obviously imbal" game that you can do nothing about lol.



soo much this. And when you get manhandled it feels even more imba
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 22 2012 01:49 GMT
#7
You have an excellent writing style, I gave you five stars for that alone :D

Perhaps you are talking about what I call "flow". Flow is somewhat hard to define. It's knowing what to do next and rhythmically proceeding to do things in the order they're supposed to be done. I don't quite have this in SC2, as I only recently started playing it, but I have it in Brood War some of the time and it's an awesome feeling. Part of achieving that flow is having the mechanics to do what needs to be done, and part is knowing what you need to do.

As for controlling the game, when you reach a certain stage you can scout what your opponent is doing and from that, decide what you are going to do to win, instead of blindly executing strategies. And part of it is, indeed, a mindset.

Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
GoldforGolden
Profile Joined September 2012
China102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-22 08:11:37
October 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#8
it's not that hard.
Personally I started from bronze, then worked my way up to diamond for zerg, high plat for terran and toss.

The truth is, when you are playing against some player who is much worse than you are, you just play with higher confidence and gain advantage via your better macro, game sense, timing, more greedy (for example, I can go 15 hatch or even triple hatch all day against a FFE toss and not afraid of cannon rush).

You spent less time thinking "what if" but more on "I will do this now and so even if he do X, I will have Y fast enough to defend it"

not to mention lower league players apply less pressure, you have much more time to just get the build order work, macro up, creep spreading, overlord spreading, checking for hidden expo.
All these actions would have been slowed down if he was playing an opponent of his level because he will have to deal with other things like denying drops while watching for possible multi prone drops etc.

So in short, more experience, making a better decision faster, more luxury to gain even more advantages.
But the thing is, when you are at higher league, your opponent would be equally skilled, so all these "advantages" become essential and don't appear to be so "pro" anymore

normally I would saying playing someone at lower league is boring. but not for zerg, there is something so satisfying with creep spreading and injects
We think too much, feel too little
jameswatts
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
South Africa127 Posts
October 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#9
Of course.. And I still have yet to select my team to master, but I think one must master all 3 races in order to proceed.
One other small question if people have a moment to consider, does playing the AI in a custom game help? I sometimes take on a single 'very hard' opponent. I find the protoss to be more difficult than the rest.. and I hear Insane gets given additional resources
The essence of life flows within. The way is made clear when viewed from above
netherh
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom333 Posts
October 24 2012 09:41 GMT
#10
On October 24 2012 18:14 jameswatts wrote:
Of course.. And I still have yet to select my team to master, but I think one must master all 3 races in order to proceed.
One other small question if people have a moment to consider, does playing the AI in a custom game help? I sometimes take on a single 'very hard' opponent. I find the protoss to be more difficult than the rest.. and I hear Insane gets given additional resources


Yes. Though you shouldn't really be looking at it as playing against the AI, but as practice for yourself. Focussing on making yourself better is the only way to improve. Your opponent is irrelevant really - it helps to play vs an easy AI because they don't actually do much and there's no pressure to win like on the ladder. You can also save and reload from custom games, which is invaluable for practising a build order, or practising micro / macro at a particular time.

For now I suggest looking at filter's guide (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330787) for macro benchmarks etc., and just focus on hitting those benchmarks, and hitting timings.

Note that even at diamond, things are far from smooth. I felt the same way watching Gumiho's stream yesterday, as you did watching the diamond guy. It's kinda awe-inspiring.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Douyu Cup 2020
05:00
2026 - Day 3
Ryung 664
WardiTV495
CranKy Ducklings151
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft694
Ryung 664
Nina 157
ProTech134
RuFF_SC2 108
StarCraft: Brood War
ZergMaN 41
yabsab 32
Noble 21
Purpose 17
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm131
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King65
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor56
Other Games
summit1g11159
PiGStarcraft579
Happy258
ViBE162
Livibee37
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick654
BasetradeTV171
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 20
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1027
• Jankos911
• Stunt371
Upcoming Events
Maestros of the Game
6h 42m
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
8h 12m
Bonyth vs TerrOr
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
XuanXuan vs TBD
Douyu Cup 2020
23h 12m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 8h
Mihu vs TBD
Online Event
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 20h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Bombastic Starleague
3 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
OSC
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Bombastic Starleague
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
HomeStory Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.