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I know I'm openning a shit storm by even bringing this subject up.
I know that we do not have our first official Bonjwa for SC2, but in technicallity, saying Rain wins the majority of the next couple OSL and GSL, and in the ones he doesnt win, he places top 3. Could we not say after about 6-7 tournements of him winning most of them, he could be crowned the first official Bonjwa?
I am not a "Bonjwa" expert as some TL people say they are, so I don't know what are the exact perameters for being a bonjwa. After all, last time I called Flash the last Bonjwa of Brood War, the "Bonjwa" experts were down my throat saying he wasn't ever a bonjwa, he was a god.
So am I right that Rain is looking like the first real contender as Bonjwa, since MVP?
Much Luv ♥ DJ Wilma
PS. Could we consider MC the July of SC2 yet? I mean he has never reined a time, but is always consistently putting up good results, around the world?
 
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I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already.
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On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already.
I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
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I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet.
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Totally agreed with sevia. It's comical to even talk about this right now. Rain hasn't even won anything yet...you need to DOMINATE over a period of time. We're talking 70%+ winrates over multiple seasons. Most of the BW bonjwas even had some 90% winrate stretches.
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
lol what? Mvp is practically unbeatable for the best part of a year winning a third of the highest rated tournaments and tons of foreign ones. Rain looks good for a couple of months, gets semi-finals in 2 tournaments and Rain is more successful than Mvp? There are no Bonjwas in starcraft 2, at least not for now. If anybody got close, it was Mvp in mid-2011, but nobody got anywhere near it yet.
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On October 10 2012 00:23 sevia wrote:
I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet.
this argument is so bad, if you compare MVP to any bonjwa in broodwar you will see that, MVP has better / the same winrate as all the bonjwas AND he won like what 2 gsl in a row? And he was basicly unbeatable in teamleague a while. He was no doubt the absolute number 1 with like 70+% winrate easily. Combine that with 4 time gsl champion and allways placing good in every single tournament he enters (MLG, IEM(recently), WCG) he won all those if i recall correctly aswell.
That is better then a lot of the broodwar "bonjwas" so the term is basicly dead, since being the absolute number 1 for a long time isnt enough. Its just "feelings" anything that is based of people feeling things about players then you can never have a bonjwa again. A lot of people will allways be against it, while a lot of people will be for it. Subjective things are just lame.
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Stop using that word. It was meant for one person and one person only.
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United States8476 Posts
No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
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On October 10 2012 00:45 sertas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:23 sevia wrote:
I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet. this argument is so bad, if you compare MVP to any bonjwa in broodwar you will see that, MVP has better / the same winrate as all the bonjwas AND he won like what 2 gsl in a row? And he was basicly unbeatable in teamleague a while. He was no doubt the absolute number 1 with like 70+% winrate easily. Combine that with 4 time gsl champion and allways placing good in every single tournament he enters (MLG, IEM(recently), WCG) he won all those if i recall correctly aswell. That is better then a lot of the broodwar "bonjwas" so the term is basicly dead, since being the absolute number 1 for a long time isnt enough. Its just "feelings" anything that is based of people feeling things about players then you can never have a bonjwa again. A lot of people will allways be against it, while a lot of people will be for it. Subjective things are just lame.
I doubt you were around for when the bonjwas were winning.
Of course if you look at Boxer's ratio now it's shitty cuz he should've retired competitively like 6 fucking years ago.
Savior, the only real bonjwa, was killing Terrans left and right when maps were shitty for Zerg and the rest of Zerg race was getting raped. The SC2 equivalent would be Fruitdealer winning something like 3-5 GSL's in Terran infested Code S.
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
I'd compare him to July on BW. July won 3 OSL's, yes, but never really dominated the scene to be considered a bonjwa.
MVP dominated, but it was for such a short time it can't be considered.
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I don't know how anyone can dispute MVP being bonjwa status..and I don't know how people can start calling Rain a bonjwa over a period of like 3 months, 1 season of OSL and 1 season of GSL. At least you can say MVP has been the best results terran basically since his debut into GSL, and since then has been Favored or Expected to win in every match he plays. He also won several international tournaments and WCG, and Blizzcon. Honestly, what exactly else does he have to do? Be the flavor of the month fan favorite to the fickle international community at all times? Considering the incredible amount of tournaments nowadays, I don't think you can truly have a Bonjwa based on the expectations of people who refuse to use the word. And MVP is not even my favorite player!
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
Why do people insist on putting so much hype when nothing has been achieved yet. Sure Rain "could" win both OSL and GSL but the chances are slim... even then it's more about the status of the career rather than a couple of good runs at tournaments.
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"Bonjwa" is reserved for Brood War, will write a more academic response when I'm not as drunk.
p.s. pick your own damn word.
I'll accept my temporary ban if it comes to that but come on, this OP is borderline inappropriate.
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On October 10 2012 00:54 monk. wrote:
No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
Or ever will be.
OP is treading on dangerous ground here, or trolling....
I'm an SC2 baby and even I know not to mess with the grizzled veterans' ever-reigning nostalgia.
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Flash was not a bonjwa, wtf.
And SC2 has been a huge mess, with countless patches throughout tournaments, used to have A LOT of tournaments miscoordination (people having to forfeit their spot in tournament A to play in tournament B) and the game is not even complete yet, so far people have been playing just 1/3 of the whole thing.
There is no way you could possibly name a SC2 bonjwa for the next 3 years or so, at least until the release of the last "expansion".
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On October 10 2012 01:58 fabiano wrote:
Flash was not a bonjwa, wtf.
How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol.
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On October 10 2012 02:01 LuckyFool wrote:How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol.
He was GOD. He was better than the b-word.
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On October 10 2012 01:33 Irre wrote:
I don't know how anyone can dispute MVP being bonjwa status..and I don't know how people can start calling Rain a bonjwa over a period of like 3 months, 1 season of OSL and 1 season of GSL. At least you can say MVP has been the best results terran basically since his debut into GSL, and since then has been Favored or Expected to win in every match he plays. He also won several international tournaments and WCG, and Blizzcon. Honestly, what exactly else does he have to do? Be the flavor of the month fan favorite to the fickle international community at all times? Considering the incredible amount of tournaments nowadays, I don't think you can truly have a Bonjwa based on the expectations of people who refuse to use the word. And MVP is not even my favorite player!
To reach bonjwa status you have to be VERY dominant for an extended period of time. MVP won quite a bit of tournaments at the same time that he won a lot of GSL's - which is very impressive, don't get me wrong - but he just never seemed like someone that was close to impossible to beat (at least IMO).
To be crowned a bonjwa it has to be a HUGE upset if ANY player wins a BoX series against you - basically it depends as much on the other players, since if anyone is close to you in skill you won't be a bonjwa.
Also, it's much harder to establish a bonjwa when there are so many big tournaments, which is part of the reason that I agree with the guy saying that the bonjwa status should be reserved for BW.
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lets put it this way, if we're having a debate on whether someone is this good or not the answer is no. If this level of dominance ever happened in SC2 it would be blatantly obvious to everyone. Also I agree with others here, that word should stay with BW only.
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On October 10 2012 02:25 krndandaman wrote:
If you're not willing to give 20:1 odds beting on your bonjwa vs any given opponent he is not a bonjwa.
I honestly was willing to give my friends those odds every game for Flash/Savior during their eras and no one would accept. It was amazing.
Man, this is amazing.
20:1 odds can happen in a game that's imbalanced and complains about "patch zergs" and "protoss warpgate OP," BUT it is so fucking difficult to recreate inside a game that 99% of the players will say is balanced and has as high of a skill ceiling as BW has. Bonjwa is a word that is definitive of Brood War and shouldn't be used elsewhere until a game called Brood War 2 comes out using the same mechanics, pathing and units and Brood War.
I feel like a conservative bitch saying this, but use your own fucking vocabulary to describe your favorite sc2 players. It's a totally different game, they can't be compared.]
EDIT: LOOK... bonjwas came around when the metagame truly felt sustained and constant (like sc2 now) and then here comes this mother fucker like savior (forgive me...) who turned this whole game inside the fuck out. You don't fucking know what it's like to have a game like bw turned inside out. It's a mind fuck. You (OP), an intelligent, stubborn, free thinking person, couldn't even imagine this new style of playing, yet here it is.
R E S P E C T
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There are so much more tournaments these days compared to in BW, that I don't think anyone can dominate for an extended period of time.
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Haypro was the first SC2 bonjwa, and I really don't see him being replaced until Legacy of the Void.
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Another 5/5 blog. Well done OP.
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United States33388 Posts
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Nobody's short-lived domination have been worthy of the Bonjwa title. I think it's not all about winning though, it's also about how you win.
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On October 10 2012 02:42 Waxangel wrote:
argh, go to hell
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On October 10 2012 00:12 DJWilma wrote:
So am I right that Rain is looking like the first real contender as Bonjwa, since MVP?
from your last blogs you dont really have an understanding of the terms from bw. dont take this the wrong way, but you can save yourself the humility and embarrassment by stop pretending that you do.
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On October 10 2012 00:54 monk. wrote:
No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
True, the only one that is even on the right track is Mvp and even he is far away from it.
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tbh, people who will deny MVP being close to bonjwa status is just fools.
He has reigned supreme for ½-1year, and outside that performed quite stable, being the most succesive sc2 player atm, - by a far margin i'd say.
Maybe mc is close in prize earnings, but a lot of those come from foreign tournaments (no offense, but the level of play isnt equal to GSL code s (which mvp has won most of his prizes)).
Maybe bonjwa can't be applied to sc2, but everyone knows the meaning of the word, and that is why we use it.
btw, rain can't be considered anything close to as succesive as mvp before a 1½ year, with 4 gsl code s titles on his back, and maybe a OSL / wcg victory aswell.
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I try so hard to like your blogs, but its impossible..
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Learn what a bonjwa is before calling Rain one.
And please, close this thread, you're only going to further embarass yourself.
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Brings up discussion about if Rain pulls of both GSL and OSL, and continues to do so for an extended period of time, he will be considered dominant in SC2, and could get Bonjwa status on just a theoretical basis
Team Liquid reads the words Rain and Bonjwa in the same sentence and...
*TL Reaction*
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Katowice25012 Posts
Bonjwa is a term meant only to describe Savior that sometimes we use retroactively to talk about other player's careers. No one in SC2 will have that applied to them.
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Ofc Flash if the most dominant example of a bonjwa, since his ELO / win% was that much higher than a lot of the others bonjwa ( in a shortier period tho ).
MVP had his ½-1 year with a insanely high win% aswell, and as i stated he's not a bonjwa, but he isnt far from either.
Look at nada / boxer / savior / iloveoov, they didnt have the same high elo / win%, but some of them - nada & boxer, had a much longer timespan.
I would compare MVP's run so far to savior / iloveoov, since they had a "burst" aswell, and then proceeded to fall in their ELO / win%.
- ELO is used as of TL wiki improved elo: "glicko-2 rating"
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Bisutopia19234 Posts
It's ok guys, Bisu plays SC2. Soon people won't even remember the word Bonjwa. Kim Taek Shin will be the new status in the years to come.
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On October 10 2012 03:43 BisuDagger wrote:
It's ok guys, Bisu plays SC2. Soon people won't even remember the word Bonjwa. Kim Taek Shin will be the new status in the years to come.
Thought it was Kim Taek Yong
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Bisutopia19234 Posts
On October 10 2012 03:52 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 03:43 BisuDagger wrote:
It's ok guys, Bisu plays SC2. Soon people won't even remember the word Bonjwa. Kim Taek Shin will be the new status in the years to come. Thought it was Kim Taek Yong
Yong is replaced with Shin. It means god. This was the name given to him during his tripple MSL run because he was unstoppable. He was the original god.
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On October 10 2012 03:39 heyoka wrote:
Bonjwa is a term meant only to describe Savior that sometimes we use retroactively to talk about other player's careers. No one in SC2 will have that applied to them.
This. Calling anyone else a bonjwa would be just as ridiculous as saying, I don't know, we'll make Rain a dragon and now it'll be the Seven Dragons.
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On October 10 2012 04:15 Diader wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 03:39 heyoka wrote:
Bonjwa is a term meant only to describe Savior that sometimes we use retroactively to talk about other player's careers. No one in SC2 will have that applied to them. This. Calling anyone else a bonjwa would be just as ridiculous as saying, I don't know, we'll make Rain a dragon and now it'll be the Seven Dragons.
Rain will need a new name. The 6 dragons represents a time period as well. This was a dominant time for protoss between 2008 and 2009. Quite a fun time to watch BW might I add. Bisu being the leader here of course also  So like we can't use bonjwa anymore, dragon is not possible either lol.
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On October 10 2012 03:37 DJWilma wrote:
Brings up discussion about if Rain pulls of both GSL and OSL, and continues to do so for an extended period of time, he will be considered dominant in SC2, and could get Bonjwa status on just a theoretical basis
Team Liquid reads the words Rain and Bonjwa in the same sentence and...
Your argument has no point. You could replace Rain with any other player and if he dominated for the next 5 years, you could consider it. Rain hasn't won anything yet, right now you're point is the same as if I said "If I go to Korea and win the next 8 GSL's and OSL's, there could be consideration for me becoming a bonjwa"
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Mvp destroys everything and has health issues, he is indeed God.
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On October 10 2012 02:01 LuckyFool wrote:How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol.
The same way the best SC2 players is somehow not a bonjwa? People are stupid.
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On October 10 2012 03:39 heyoka wrote:
Bonjwa is a term meant only to describe Savior that sometimes we use retroactively to talk about other player's careers. No one in SC2 will have that applied to them.
as I understand it, people looked back at Boxer, Nada, and oov's careers and decided Savior wasn't really much more dominant, if at all, than they were, so Boxer, Nada, and oov became bonjwas.
Flash is different, Flash was far more dominant than Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, or Savior, he had an 83% win rate over the course of 6 months, there were 6 major tournaments a year in BW and Flash made it to the finals of all of them and won 4, his team won both possible team leagues.
No one has ever approached Flash's dominance in BW or SC2 and he has raised the bar for "bonjwa", even if someone becomes as dominant as Boxer/Nada/oov/Savior (MVP hasn't, by the way) they will inevitably be compared to Flash and ruled to not be bonjwas.
The word is dead, Flash killed it.
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United States10154 Posts
On October 10 2012 00:54 monk. wrote:
No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
this.
also, bonjwa was a stupid word thrown around in bw anyways. -.-
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I think the skill ceiling is too low in SC2 for one player to ever be sufficiently dominant. Far too much is decided on luck at the highest levels, and lack of LAN support means that having higher APM at a point will just not make you a better player, due to internet lag.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Personally, I think the term needs to die. It's frustratingly undefined, hopelessly useless, and only good at starting arguments.
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I suggest anybody who wants to talk about bonjwa to read this before discussing:
Savior, where bonjwa starts and ends.
The only other player who even remotely fulfilled most of the criteria laid out there is Flash during 09-10 season.
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I think this blog is full of shit.
Rain has not even won a major tournament yet. Yes he is doing well in two of them, but he did only get 6th in WCS Korea.
I feel like this blog has no purpose/
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On October 10 2012 05:38 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 03:39 heyoka wrote:
Bonjwa is a term meant only to describe Savior that sometimes we use retroactively to talk about other player's careers. No one in SC2 will have that applied to them. as I understand it, people looked back at Boxer, Nada, and oov's careers and decided Savior wasn't really much more dominant, if at all, than they were, so Boxer, Nada, and oov became bonjwas. Flash is different, Flash was far more dominant than Boxer, Nada, iloveoov, or Savior, he had an 83% win rate over the course of 6 months, there were 6 major tournaments a year in BW and Flash made it to the finals of all of them and won 4, his team won both possible team leagues. No one has ever approached Flash's dominance in BW or SC2 and he has raised the bar for "bonjwa", even if someone becomes as dominant as Boxer/Nada/oov/Savior (MVP hasn't, by the way) they will inevitably be compared to Flash and ruled to not be bonjwas. The word is dead, Flash killed it.
I like it, someone pushed bar higher, so then why there is need to put it lower again? Competition has to go on, and if we settle for Bonjwa which is worse than God than we are actually admittingly giving a second rate title to the best SC2 player ever.
Not to even mention the "God" himself was preoccupied with BW while MVP was already racking titles, competition maybe was not farce, but was lets say "incomplete" ?
Imho give MVP, MVP title
btw from jpak link this quote always made me chuckle
Boxer and Nada, "I look so good..."
Iloveoov and Savior, "I AM so good..."
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Ok let me get this straight, you are comparing rain to a bonjwa and not MVP. Let's wait til someone has maybe won at least 1 tournament before we start saying they are better than a dude who has won 8...
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United States10154 Posts
On October 10 2012 05:33 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 02:01 LuckyFool wrote:On October 10 2012 01:58 fabiano wrote:
Flash was not a bonjwa, wtf.
How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol. The same way the best SC2 players is somehow not a bonjwa? People are stupid.
no. you are being stupid. take flash's accomplishments. now take the closest SC2 pro to him. bonjwa status? i think not.
good day to you.
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
While bonjwa isn't really used for pros anymore MVP did dominate a time.
There was a time he won a GSL and then won an MLG not long after and he was just dominating for a good 6 months or something. He did have his period of domination until his injury just makes it so he will probably never go back to that dominant force again and even if it were magically healed tomorrow I don't know if he could anymore either due to Kespa players now and how much better everyone is.
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Canada11349 Posts
On October 10 2012 03:37 DJWilma wrote:Brings up discussion about if Rain pulls of both GSL and OSL, and continues to do so for an extended period of time, he will be considered dominant in SC2, and could get Bonjwa status on just a theoretical basis Team Liquid reads the words Rain and Bonjwa in the same sentence and... *TL Reaction*
That pretty much was my reaction. I am currently borrowing a computer as a result. But more seriously, regardless of any talk of whether Bonjwa is a strictly BW term, the biggest problem with these bonjwa discussions is it is always brought up when we see a rising star. The discussion in SC2 always revolves around someone who is starting to get really good rather than someone who has been dominating for a long period of time. Current and looking back (emphasis on past) rather than current and looking forward (theoretical future). The only correct response then is to throw it on the ground!
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If someone wins something like consecutive GSL's and throws in an OSL and an MLG/DH whilst his team wins GSTL; all over the same period with an 80+% win rate (in the post-Elephant era). Then we can talk about an SC2 Bonjwa.
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On October 10 2012 11:15 Scarecrow wrote:
If someone wins something like consecutive GSL's and throws in an OSL and an MLG/DH whilst his team wins GSTL; all over the same period with an 80+% win rate (in the post-Elephant era). Then we can talk about an SC2 Bonjwa.
If we want to draw comparisons to the BW bonjwas, then said player doesn't just win games, he wins games convincingly against all but the best of best, and even those games should practically be a given. The player must also instigate huge metagame shifts that completely change a matchup(s).
This thread reminds me of God of the Battlefield, and how much I want to read Part II.
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On October 10 2012 11:21 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 11:15 Scarecrow wrote:
If someone wins something like consecutive GSL's and throws in an OSL and an MLG/DH whilst his team wins GSTL; all over the same period with an 80+% win rate (in the post-Elephant era). Then we can talk about an SC2 Bonjwa. If we want to draw comparisons to the BW bonjwas, then said player doesn't just win games, he wins games convincingly against all but the best of best, and even those games should practically be a given. The player must also instigate huge metagame shifts that completely change a matchup(s). This thread reminds me of God of the Battlefield, and how much I want to read Part II.
here you go!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242118
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Bonjwa or not, MVP is by far the best SC2 player since release.
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For SC2, seeing as how we've got the Kingslayer and the King in the North I think a better term for MVP (and in general for the currently "best" [but not necessarily exceedingly dominant] player) would be the King of Westeros.
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On October 10 2012 00:48 jpak wrote:
Stop using that word. It was meant for one person and one person only.
NaDa?  And no Sun is not even close to being a sc2 Bonjwa... possibly the dumbest thing I've seen you write ever =/
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On October 10 2012 10:32 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 03:37 DJWilma wrote:Brings up discussion about if Rain pulls of both GSL and OSL, and continues to do so for an extended period of time, he will be considered dominant in SC2, and could get Bonjwa status on just a theoretical basis Team Liquid reads the words Rain and Bonjwa in the same sentence and... *TL Reaction* That pretty much was my reaction. I am currently borrowing a computer as a result. But more seriously, regardless of any talk of whether Bonjwa is a strictly BW term, the biggest problem with these bonjwa discussions is it is always brought up when we see a rising star. The discussion in SC2 always revolves around someone who is starting to get really good rather than someone who has been dominating for a long period of time. Current and looking back (emphasis on past) rather than current and looking forward (theoretical future). The only correct response then is to throw it on the ground!
^This is the first argument that didn't sound like a whiny fan boy basically crying about something not being canon.
Seriously its a term. Stop being so anal about its usage. If someone called MVP the closest thing to a bonjwa in SC2 you know what that person is refering to. They wouldn't be saying that he has the win rate that Savior had, but that he is the best player at this time (in their opinion). I'll admit, I did this to stir the pot a bit, but look how up in arms you guys got over one little post about a hypothedical. This kind of reaction over something so little, is actually more embaracing than the ludacris topic I brought up.
If someone just entering into the StarCraft universe and this community, got this sort of reaction on something so little, something purely opinionated, I can imagine that person wouldn't want to stay in it. Minus the whole sexism issue, the reaction reminds myself of how the Fight Game Community can act out over something so small.
Just saying, its a 6 letter word, don't get so caught up on it.
Much Luv ♥ DJ Wilma
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With that kind of topic no wonder you are getting shit, don't act too naive now.
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Edited. I'm getting too emotional here.
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This thread is over.
People don't understand what a Bonjwa is.
Look up their stats. Nobody was as dominate as people are talking about right now, even Savior and Oov, yes they had thier AMAZING runs, but they did not dominate consistently for 1-2 years.
Rofl, Savior was known for MSLs, but how many OSLs did he win? Oh wait.
Flash is the only one that holds up the standards in this thread, so according to these people, Flash is the only Bonjwa.
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Bisutopia19234 Posts
On October 11 2012 00:17 ch33psh33p wrote:
This thread is over.
People don't understand what a Bonjwa is.
Look up their stats. Nobody was as dominate as people are talking about right now, even Savior and Oov, yes they had thier AMAZING runs, but they did not dominate consistently for 1-2 years.
Rofl, Savior was known for MSLs, but how many OSLs did he win? Oh wait.
Flash is the only one that holds up the standards in this thread, so according to these people, Flash is the only Bonjwa.
LOLWat. Savior won 1 osl gold and 1 osl silver. Don't knock him for his OSL runs lmao. He was dominant in both leagues. And his reign lasted 3 years.'05, '06' '07.
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I'm confused, perhaps this can be clarified by someone more knowledgable, about the b-word, than myself.
So bonjawa is reserved for complete dominance in a period of time?
Who establishes what a "period of time" is?
Is bonjawahood based on longevity of results?
Are international results taken into account, or is the only real competition (therefore the only ways to determine dominance) in S. Korea?
Are there any BW players who weren't considered bonjawa during their period of dominance, but later upon reflection were conferred that status?
I just wonder because if MVP isn't considered bonjawa now, could he be considered bonjawa a year or two down the road if he continues with the highest results, even though it isn't for every tournament? One of the things that I feel people aren't taking into account is that BW was not an international competitive game (for the most part). THE tournament(s) were S. Korean; but now with SC2 the tournaments are worldwide.
I feel there needs to be a clarification/distinction between what is a BW bonjawa and a SC2 bonjawa (when/if there ever is one).
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Calgary25980 Posts
You're embarassing yourself.
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EPT
