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I know I'm openning a shit storm by even bringing this subject up.
I know that we do not have our first official Bonjwa for SC2, but in technicallity, saying Rain wins the majority of the next couple OSL and GSL, and in the ones he doesnt win, he places top 3. Could we not say after about 6-7 tournements of him winning most of them, he could be crowned the first official Bonjwa?
I am not a "Bonjwa" expert as some TL people say they are, so I don't know what are the exact perameters for being a bonjwa. After all, last time I called Flash the last Bonjwa of Brood War, the "Bonjwa" experts were down my throat saying he wasn't ever a bonjwa, he was a god.
So am I right that Rain is looking like the first real contender as Bonjwa, since MVP?
Much Luv ♥ DJ Wilma
PS. Could we consider MC the July of SC2 yet? I mean he has never reined a time, but is always consistently putting up good results, around the world?
 
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I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already.
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On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already.
I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
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I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet.
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Totally agreed with sevia. It's comical to even talk about this right now. Rain hasn't even won anything yet...you need to DOMINATE over a period of time. We're talking 70%+ winrates over multiple seasons. Most of the BW bonjwas even had some 90% winrate stretches.
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
lol what? Mvp is practically unbeatable for the best part of a year winning a third of the highest rated tournaments and tons of foreign ones. Rain looks good for a couple of months, gets semi-finals in 2 tournaments and Rain is more successful than Mvp? There are no Bonjwas in starcraft 2, at least not for now. If anybody got close, it was Mvp in mid-2011, but nobody got anywhere near it yet.
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On October 10 2012 00:23 sevia wrote:
I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet.
this argument is so bad, if you compare MVP to any bonjwa in broodwar you will see that, MVP has better / the same winrate as all the bonjwas AND he won like what 2 gsl in a row? And he was basicly unbeatable in teamleague a while. He was no doubt the absolute number 1 with like 70+% winrate easily. Combine that with 4 time gsl champion and allways placing good in every single tournament he enters (MLG, IEM(recently), WCG) he won all those if i recall correctly aswell.
That is better then a lot of the broodwar "bonjwas" so the term is basicly dead, since being the absolute number 1 for a long time isnt enough. Its just "feelings" anything that is based of people feeling things about players then you can never have a bonjwa again. A lot of people will allways be against it, while a lot of people will be for it. Subjective things are just lame.
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Stop using that word. It was meant for one person and one person only.
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No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
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On October 10 2012 00:45 sertas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:23 sevia wrote:
I don't think SC2 has settled enough yet for there to be a 'bonjwa.' It's not just about being good for a long time, it's being dominant. MVP has been fairly consistent, and Rain definitely came in swinging, but neither are even close to absolute dominance yet. this argument is so bad, if you compare MVP to any bonjwa in broodwar you will see that, MVP has better / the same winrate as all the bonjwas AND he won like what 2 gsl in a row? And he was basicly unbeatable in teamleague a while. He was no doubt the absolute number 1 with like 70+% winrate easily. Combine that with 4 time gsl champion and allways placing good in every single tournament he enters (MLG, IEM(recently), WCG) he won all those if i recall correctly aswell. That is better then a lot of the broodwar "bonjwas" so the term is basicly dead, since being the absolute number 1 for a long time isnt enough. Its just "feelings" anything that is based of people feeling things about players then you can never have a bonjwa again. A lot of people will allways be against it, while a lot of people will be for it. Subjective things are just lame.
I doubt you were around for when the bonjwas were winning.
Of course if you look at Boxer's ratio now it's shitty cuz he should've retired competitively like 6 fucking years ago.
Savior, the only real bonjwa, was killing Terrans left and right when maps were shitty for Zerg and the rest of Zerg race was getting raped. The SC2 equivalent would be Fruitdealer winning something like 3-5 GSL's in Terran infested Code S.
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
I'd compare him to July on BW. July won 3 OSL's, yes, but never really dominated the scene to be considered a bonjwa.
MVP dominated, but it was for such a short time it can't be considered.
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I don't know how anyone can dispute MVP being bonjwa status..and I don't know how people can start calling Rain a bonjwa over a period of like 3 months, 1 season of OSL and 1 season of GSL. At least you can say MVP has been the best results terran basically since his debut into GSL, and since then has been Favored or Expected to win in every match he plays. He also won several international tournaments and WCG, and Blizzcon. Honestly, what exactly else does he have to do? Be the flavor of the month fan favorite to the fickle international community at all times? Considering the incredible amount of tournaments nowadays, I don't think you can truly have a Bonjwa based on the expectations of people who refuse to use the word. And MVP is not even my favorite player!
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On October 10 2012 00:20 DJWilma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:18 mizU wrote:
I feel like if MVP takes his fifth GSL... that's it already. I dont know about that though, I feel he's never dominated a time, he has had slumps during this time. Where if Rain take a GSL and OSL, where MVP alrady got eliminated from the OSL, I feel Rain will have a better shot at getting the title than MVP will.
Why do people insist on putting so much hype when nothing has been achieved yet. Sure Rain "could" win both OSL and GSL but the chances are slim... even then it's more about the status of the career rather than a couple of good runs at tournaments.
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"Bonjwa" is reserved for Brood War, will write a more academic response when I'm not as drunk.
p.s. pick your own damn word.
I'll accept my temporary ban if it comes to that but come on, this OP is borderline inappropriate.
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On October 10 2012 00:54 monk. wrote:
No one is or has ever been even remotely close to Bonjwa status in sc2.
Or ever will be.
OP is treading on dangerous ground here, or trolling....
I'm an SC2 baby and even I know not to mess with the grizzled veterans' ever-reigning nostalgia.
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Flash was not a bonjwa, wtf.
And SC2 has been a huge mess, with countless patches throughout tournaments, used to have A LOT of tournaments miscoordination (people having to forfeit their spot in tournament A to play in tournament B) and the game is not even complete yet, so far people have been playing just 1/3 of the whole thing.
There is no way you could possibly name a SC2 bonjwa for the next 3 years or so, at least until the release of the last "expansion".
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On October 10 2012 01:58 fabiano wrote:
Flash was not a bonjwa, wtf.
How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol.
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On October 10 2012 02:01 LuckyFool wrote:How could the best broodwar player not be a bonjwa lol.
He was GOD. He was better than the b-word.
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On October 10 2012 01:33 Irre wrote:
I don't know how anyone can dispute MVP being bonjwa status..and I don't know how people can start calling Rain a bonjwa over a period of like 3 months, 1 season of OSL and 1 season of GSL. At least you can say MVP has been the best results terran basically since his debut into GSL, and since then has been Favored or Expected to win in every match he plays. He also won several international tournaments and WCG, and Blizzcon. Honestly, what exactly else does he have to do? Be the flavor of the month fan favorite to the fickle international community at all times? Considering the incredible amount of tournaments nowadays, I don't think you can truly have a Bonjwa based on the expectations of people who refuse to use the word. And MVP is not even my favorite player!
To reach bonjwa status you have to be VERY dominant for an extended period of time. MVP won quite a bit of tournaments at the same time that he won a lot of GSL's - which is very impressive, don't get me wrong - but he just never seemed like someone that was close to impossible to beat (at least IMO).
To be crowned a bonjwa it has to be a HUGE upset if ANY player wins a BoX series against you - basically it depends as much on the other players, since if anyone is close to you in skill you won't be a bonjwa.
Also, it's much harder to establish a bonjwa when there are so many big tournaments, which is part of the reason that I agree with the guy saying that the bonjwa status should be reserved for BW.
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