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lIlIlIlIlIlI
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On September 18 2012 01:31 PassiveAce wrote: GGzerg uses Distract! No one gives a shit!  made me lol But really Telecom you can't say that these conditions aren't fair (if not even imbalanced in your favor). I think that it's high time that we actually get this thing going. | ||
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Stratos
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On September 18 2012 03:17 puppykiller wrote: made me lol But really Telecom you can't say that these conditions aren't fair (if not even imbalanced in your favor). I think that it's high time that we actually get this thing going. Nah man, he's too busy streaming. | ||
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koreasilver
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On September 17 2012 13:48 Game wrote: Call the day. Best of 7. I lose, I'll give you $1,000. Loser also receives a ban from TL. Edit: The $1,000 is because you're poor, and because I'm a much better person than you are. How can he dodge this If he is that poor? I mean thats simply free shot for 1000 dollars | ||
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TelecoM
United States10668 Posts
I really thought you were dysxelic, I don't even know who you are then but that is ok, that is why I was asking about the Zerg maps, because I thought you were him, and he plays Zerg. Like I already said before that you ignored and will just say I am dodging, even though I posted this way before, that it is possible I will have something to do before work on sunday, that is why I asked why you changed the time from the 29th to sunday the 23rd. But whatever you are being so uptight and acting like a little bitch trying to control every aspect of this grudge match, so I guess we should just get it over with. I've never seen such a crybaby bitch in my life. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10668 Posts
On September 17 2012 13:48 Game wrote: Call the day. Best of 7. I lose, I'll give you $1,000. Loser also receives a ban from TL. Edit: The $1,000 is because you're poor, and because I'm a much better person than you are. You are such a fucking dick for saying that you think I am poor on TL, and that you are a better person than me, thats ok though, I understand you still must be raging like the newb you are after how badly I beat you. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/31vnoWN.jpg) Teamlegacy Starleague goes on and it seems there is still demand for Brood War. If you missed the three years after beta, because you played something else, were on holidays or busy with real life and decided to come back you might have missed some history. Since Teamliquid focussed on the English speaking scene there is a big chance you might undererstimate the other scenes. Welcome to my take on the the Russian scene. Read it, because Russian Brood War is best Brood War. Timetable: Defiler Major Events December 2010: Reboot In December 2010, a relatively unknown young Russian started to write some sort of fan page for Brood War as a hobby. The page had nothing but a few forums, an option to watch streams, a quite minimal news script, and a tournament section. Obviously, I'm referring to  yoda and defiler.ru, one of the greatest things ever to be released in the world of Brood War. I started defiler.ru as project two years ago, trying to prove that StarCraft-Broodwar is a game for ages, a game that appears to be an endless road of self improvement. -- yoda Usually, people are very picky about looks. There are good ways to present your page. There is YouTube and there is the yoda approach to design, if you can call it design at all. In December 2010, the page could be compared to a Picasso, everything was there certainly, but well, not where it should be. Horribly complicated, very crude colours and patterns, giant buttons, banners with flashy tits on them, the only thing somewhat missing were blinking text elements in neon pink. The complete package was so obscene that it could only be considered as art. As gross as it was, something inside me was touched. Something that wanted such a page badly. Years have passed by since I last laid eyes upon such a construct. These were usually badly-made clan pages, but all of them had the passion built in every single byte. So did this page. But wait, there was more. On every other 'major' community page you would find the same discussions. People brainstorming how to survive the plague that was SC2, how to compensate for the losses, desperate plans and group meetings about whether or not trying to promote the game we all love so much was worth it. There were groups that discussed other group's findings on what the neighbour of someone's dog said would be a good idea to pump life into the scene. There were suggestions about how and when to organize an event with a bunch of players we might or might not know from past 'major' events in order to finally stop the whole downward spiral. The Russians, though, were more like "hey let's play some games." This, surprisingly, worked without a flowchart which told you how to find a fitting server with a more modern environment that would actually support the needs of the new eSports generation. Weird, isn't it? These people usually gathered on reps.ru, probably the biggest and oldest StarCraft: Brood War fan page in Russia. After the Beta it was mostly the die-hards, like on any other page, who still commented on different topics, usually real life or poker stuff. Some of them decided to just use yoda's new portal for fun tournaments. Easy as that, no strings attached. They would hop onto ICCup and play for a while, every Sunday, at the same time. The Defiler.ru Tournaments were born. Early 2011: The Renaissance The first five tournaments of the series were rather uninteresting for the foreigners, because we didn't know anything about them. However, the Russians did and a couple of well-known players signed up. That, again, doesn't mean there were great games already. The first tours were won by gargoyle a quite oldschool and strong Terran from Kazhakstan. He still plays, rarely though, and still takes down high class foreigners. Garoyle (T) vs Shand1 (Z) casted by yoda Yoda and the reps.ru community were able to raise some money and the sixth edition started with a $70 prize pool. With the money and word-of-mouth advertising more and more outsiders learned about the new portal, which, now at least, supported English for the tournament section. In the Defiler Tour 8 in February, three non-Russians took gold, silver, and bronze for the first time. These were the first snowflakes that would start a snow-slide. From now on every new tournament would have at least sixty players signed up, participating either for fun, for the money or to get the chance to get roflstomped by B ranked players in a best of three. The second you'd got eliminated, you had the opportunity to tune into yoda's twitch stream, which again, usually was online for at least seven hours. On every Sunday. Having an actual series of events, like the old BW4Ever Tournaments, was more important than many might think. In retrospect, there has been some sort of gap between the old, experienced and already established players like kolll, Sziky or Heme and the new faces like Bakuryu, Dewalt and eonzerg in terms of skill. Aside from ICCup Clan League or even big-time events like the first ISL, there wasn't really anything to compete in regularly. Not perspective for the players, no fame to gain - the ordinary users, forum lurkers and replay fans had no source, no story that was told. Most coverage still focused on Korea, while the foreigners where somewhat left alone. Defiler at least gave all of that knew about them a Sunday full of Brood War. The first Rivalry A good tournament series has heroes and the evildoers, mortal enemies fighting for the greater good and such. Players you'd look up to, because they dominate each and everyone. Three players competed for the overall crown, these were Heme, Sziky, and Scan. Heme was in his own territory, defending the pride of the motherland. He was already quite known in the foreign world, as he was able to qualify for the World Cyber Games in 2010. On his way his only loss was to the overall winner of WCG Russia 2010, Brat_ok, but defeated Advokate in the group stages. However, in Los Angeles, the Terran failed to get out of the group stages, since he dropped two games against the likes of Legend and Kal. . It was no surprise that Heme was able to win four gold medals in the young Defiler series. Mechanically only very few foreigners could compete with him, no opponent was safe, literally none of them.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gT7Lfg0.jpg) that's him - Heme Still, even way before that he was a really skilled player. The Terran qualified for WCG Russia 2007 and made it out of a group with Ex, NotForu , Pomi and another one with Advokate - only to lose to the eventual winner in the unforgiving knock out stage few hours later. By the way, this was mostly thanks to the coaching by Strelok ¹. Just another proof of how many really strong Terrans Russia had.No surprise, that Heme was able to win four gold medals in the young Defiler series. Mechanically only very few foreigners could compete with him. The second of the trio was non other than infamous Scan. The Korean living in the States almost qualified for the TSL2, but was disqualified for abuse and consequently banned from TL.net events. This however didn't mean he was a bad player, quite the contrary. The Terran played a lot of ladders, ICCup, FISH and elsewhere, nobody else could keep up with this many games. As result he improved quite a bit and was one and still is one of the strongest players in the foreign community. In addition to his very strong Terran he could roflstomp most of the established players even with his offrace. Too bad that this fact went to Scan's head and he often crossed the thin line that divides trash talk from insults. He was a perfect villain - strong, almost unbeatable, an Idra 2.0 for many. Even before entering the Defiler Tours the all-round player had an impressive record - he basically ruled ICCup's 1on1 and 2on2 ladder with an iron fist, was featured in show matches and won almost every ladder tournament he entered. To complete the group we have Sziky. The Hungarian Zerg is legendary now, but he wasn't too known before the beta. Of course, he was part of mouseports, one of the strongest teams in the foreign scene, but also overtowered by many other players. The first time he kind-of appeared in a big thing was during ESL Major Series 3, a quite popular event in Germany. He could qualify for the initial group stage, but aside from that couldn't advance. However, he could take down Mondragon in a thrilling best of three there, which is the guy that could defeat sAviOr. Sziky also managed to qualify for TSL2 via ladder on eigth place with an A rank, but lost 2-3 to Tarson in the Qualifiers.The rivalry between the three of them started with the sixth volume, which was also the first to feature non Russians. In the Semi Finals the Zerg went up against the first of the Terrans: Scan. The series was not so interesting to watch, as both used quite offensive strategies. Scan opened with two Barracks off one base, putting pressure on Sziky. The Hungarian responded quite well, but eventually lost too many mutalisks and could only stall the final blow with some backstabs. The second and third set were even less entertaining - Scan played Zerg in the second and was teared to shreds, in the third he was just outplayed again. Next for Sziky was Heme, the other rival. And the quality suddenly improved by a lot! sadly the first 15 minutes are missing, still a good first set! In the following tourneys, up to Defiler Tour 26, almost 40% of the medals went to one of the three, with all of them having a winnin ratio of over 80% against all the other participants - which is more than enough in a best of three series. The games between the three of them ranged from very short lived (one of the best of series were three five minute games) and aggressive plays to quite long games that went into hive tier Terran vs. Zerg. Thanks to defiler.ru's internal seeding-ranking (DeSPA Ranking) neither of them was eliminated by one of the other two too soon. Usually the fights started around the Semi Finals, where one of them was sent down to the lower bracket, just to repeat the battle in the overall finals again. Surprisingly enough, Scan never really bmed too strong in these clashes, although he overdid it in the ICCup AoV Starleague both against Heme and Sziky. The Defiler Tournaments surely weren't the only arena for this tournament, aforementioned ISL was just another battle field. However, this series made damn sure we could see the three of them showing their finest performance almost every week. Around Summer 2011 the trio fell apart, mostly due to Heme quitting Brood War for good. This was a rather big loss, only very few Terrans after him could reach a similar level of play. The Russian came back almost exactly a year later for the infamous MMM Tours - which we're going to have a look at later. In this time however, the Terran wasn't able to perform well and was eliminated in the early stages. The rivalry between Scan and Sziky continued for the rest of 2011, but was most times outside of the Russian events. April 2011 - May 2012: More Competition With Heme leaving the scene the tours in between April 2011 and May 2012 were dominated by the Hungarian and the Korean. Still, it didn't get boring at all, most times the two of them still played quite entertaining games. Also, everytime a Russian Terran goes away, another Russian Terran takes over. Much like Heme the new guy wasn't that new, you only never heard of him because he was a Russian Terran, and Russia has too much talented Terrans, a fact I'm probably going to repeat a hundred times during this article. It's like they have them frozen somewhere in a basement in Siberia... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vu8uX5P.jpg) Another Russian Terran (made in Korea) Pro7ect already entered a bunch of high class offline tournaments in 2006 and 2007, much like Heme. In the ASUS LAN 2007 Pro7ect finished on the 5th/6th place, defeated - watch out Pomi - just a few rounds before and - more coincidences - lost to NotForU. The only thing surprising about Pro7ect is that we have no half-naked pics of him with beer bottles in his hand. In between 2007 and 2011 there's not much to find about that talented player, that is able to speak Korean fluently. In Fall 2011 however he came back and was here to win the shit out of the foreigners. He didn't appear too often in the big and major Defiler Tournaments, but when he did he could beat the very best. In Defiler Tour 30 he quite easily took out the ICCup Ladder #1 - the Korean TopStar. That the Russian won "only" two gold medals in the overall series doesn't mean anything, he had a win ratio of 70%. This number again means only little, you have to remember that he came back from inactivity and made it to the top of the foreign scene in only a few months. But well, Pro7ect was overall a very nice guy and he didn't only stop by to play. No, he also contributed with his own money to the scene. He did organize, stream and play in the Defiler Mini Series. One of the new faces was Michael from the United States. The Zerg was, compared to the rest, too good to be considered average in the Defiler Tournaments. And the skill has been quite high, usually no player with a rank lower than B made it to the Quarter Finals or onwards. The downside of the Russian Tours were the time zones, especially North American players had a hard time staying up very late to compete with the best the Europeans and Russians had to offer. This is just another indicator of good Michael actually is. He also used to mix things up, when he chose to play one of his off races - which are usually good enough to stomp any player, regardless of rank and reputation. With Sziky being rather inactive, compared to the first half of 2011, and Scan focussing on other tournaments the two of them seemed to get another duell going. Most of their clashes however happened outside of the Defiler series, like in the Gosu Cup by GosuGamers. In the Defiler Mini Tour hosted and sponsored by Pro7ect both of them met in the Round of Eight ². The match was tied 1-1, with the Russian streaming his FPView. The third set however was one of the better games of fall 2011! VODs: Set 3 - Including Commentary by Hackle & Pro7ect + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + But there was more - not from the two - but a lot of names coming up. The time of domination seemed over, as good as Prozect and Michael were, both of them couldn't kill all their competitors in the fashion the trio did before. The gap between the skilled new comers and the old elite seemed to close. One of the guys that improved most was Bakuryu. The German Zerg participated in almost all of the Defiler Tours and usually ended among the first eight. This level of consistency was rare, even for Defiler. With every new edition he learned a bit more, worked on his shape constantly. To be fair, he was already very good, one of the players that could qualify for WCG Germany 2010, but nowhere near the level of a Sziky. However, the training paid off, he became one of if not the strongest Zerg of Western Europe. He was one of the few to win more than one medal before Winter 2011. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/thNQj.jpg) I am one of the players that takes any chance -- Bakuryu Also, players like Napoleon showed up, despite playing a lot of 2on2, and went pretty far. Although more than 50% of the participants were from Russia, an increasing number of international players jumped on the band wagon. Another very notable player to join the elite of the Defiler circle was the Peruvian Terran Terror. As American he had the in-built timezone disadvantage, but didn't seem to mind playing tired too much. In Defiler Tour 31, 33 and 34 he won three medals out of three tournaments he signed up for - even winning the 33rd edition; Sziky and Scan both went missing for that particular edition. Thanks to yoda's frequent casts we could learn more and more about the players. The faces in the later rounds were familiar, not always the same, but not too much of variation either - just what we needed. Finally some sort of who-is-who established. Make no mistake, the overall level increased with every tour. While the average rank of Round of 16 players was around a C+ish rank in January 2011, the skill of a Round of 16 player in October 2011 was already as high as a solid B rank. Here be Battle Report: Discharge vs. Sneazel May 2012: The break's over Defiler.ru went for a break in between January and May 2012, but was back with full force after spring. At first it looked like the domination just continued, as both Sziky and Scan won yet one of the two new editions. That wasn't true at all. Remember when I said that the Russians can go without drama? Well that isn't entirely correct, they do have some sort of dispute. The good thing is, it really only is a discussion of some sorts, like English gentlemen drinking tea and discussing the matters of invading France. This is quite odd once you got to know what it was all about. In June 2012 Heme was back and with him there was a new sponsor. Defiler already had a sponsor, at least for a short while - Plantronics. The new investor with the money wasn't such a company though, it was none other than Sergey Mavrodi and his, errrr, for the want of a better word, "project" MMM-2011 ³. To sum it up, and to avoid links that might get you in temptation, Mavrodi is a scammer. He scammed money in the past with the help of a financial system that was basically designed to get the last dime off you; he made a shit ton of money. It was more money than the average Brood War player would make if he would sell Yu-Gi-Oh cards to elderly for the rest of his life 24/7. Hence, most of the Russians were quite "worried" about a tour having this name. At first I thought that was just fun, the Russians are a bit weird, but it wasn't. Well, I think Nina summed it up better in her topic about the Mavrodi issue. (recommended read) ![[image loading]](http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww82/artsynmk/sergey-mavrodi-524n.jpg) the root of all evil Aside from that, the reign of terror was over. Sziky disappeared from the player list and Scan couldn't get away with sloppy off racing anymore. The players finally closed the gap and the outcome of a tournament wasn't 50% Hungary vs. 50% Korea anymore. Also, no more ZvZ or TvZ finals - which was a huge pro in terms of diversification. However, with the increased prize pool of the MMM sponsorship more no-name Koreans joined. Namely Anfod, Orz and prizekiller went through most A-ranked players like a knife through butter. This just added to the view of some Russians on the most recent MMM-Tours. As a result a Russian-only and a NO KR Tour was hosted by PlumBum to make up for the roflstomps. In between summer and winter 2012 a whole new generation of players made their break through. Bakuryu's form spiked when he killed Sziky in a very impressive ZvZ. There was no way to tell that the German plays with under 200 APM, not in this match - Sziky basically had no chance. Sadly, the German fell behind after September and only made a come back in the last days of December; this however is a story not connected to Defiler Tours. A guy that sneaked his way to the top of the Defiler list and one who certainly nobody saw coming was the Spanish eOnzErG. In between MMM Tour 1 and the very last volume, Defiler Tour 48, you could see the Zerg improving with every game he played. The Spaniard used to play very aggressive, using a ton of over committing build orders and hence lost relatively early in 2011. Not so in the second half of 2012 - he basically never left the tour if he wasn't in the Top Eight already. In winter 2012 only the very best could stop the talent from winning tournament after tournament. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aNCNbIZ.jpg) Protoss 2.0 The second of three players to catch up was the young Russian Protoss Dewalt. Living at the end of the world he also had some sort of a time disadvantage, then again when the rest of Europe was still hung over in bed, he was already eating lunch. Still, Dewalt participated in almost all tournaments, events and leagues there were - and also training a lot on the ladders and with his team mates in reps.ru fun gaming, home of the best remaining Russian players. In late 2010 Dewalt wasn't really someone you would expect to win big, in Fall 2012 he won two Defiler Tournaments in a row, taking down the likes of Bakuryu or TechnicS; his Protoss vs. Zerg was his strength. The third player to make his way to the elite was the Polish trutaCz. Theoretically not an unknown name, he already joined the famous National Team as 2on2 player - but 2on2 doesn't make you top in 1on1. The Zerg wasn't an unknown name in the ICCup ladder either, he could qualify two times for the ISLs, even with a top ten spot. In tournaments however, he lost relatively early and showed nerves. With the last few volumes of Defiler he could gain confidence; he finished as runner-up in the 48th volume, but well, there's only so much you can do against a monster like iOps]Sense. And again, not only the newcomers shone, a couple of oldschool players came back to once again mess with the best. If you say Kazakhstan and "known Brood War player" everyone possibly only comes up with a big question mark. But really, there's a Terran you should keep an eye on: gargoyle. It's funny, nobody knows that kid with the nick FR.Dima, even though having four gold medals on his record. He didn't win small tours either, the MMM1 was as big as it gets for Defiler. To be fair, he only beat Scan, because Scan went to get a nap, but he also walzed through another oldschool Toss - Arcneon - a new talented player - DRaW - and beat the uprising eOnzErG on his way to the finale. Speaking of Protoss, Russia has also plenty of them. In the 47th volume we could see Tama coming back from the dead. A player you rarely see, yet one to be scared of. He knocked out Dewalt, Bonyth - again an oldschooler coming back, some random Korean and kicked TechnicS hope for the throne. All in all, the past half year was really interesting. A very good mix of new faces, players you never heard of (hajjuk, NeMu) making their way through tournaments and of course players like Clawson, Bonyth or gargoyle showing up on occasion, all making up for some really entertaining games, especially when yoda freaks out over the awesomeness he is able to cast. There also seems to be another duo that has the potential to become the new Sziky vs. Scan - eOnzErG and WCG 2006 finalist TechnicS from Bulgaria. Both of them faced each other more than ten times already and that was only December 2013, before Christmas. Again, both are high class players, good with their races and in TechnicS case, even good with other races as well. Both don't really like each other, there's always an acceptable level of trash talk included that only adds to the tension. More Russian Events Defiler Tournaments, mind you only the official ones, are not the only thing that Russia did to celebrate Brood War. There was much more stuff going on, most things equally inspiring and fun. These ranged from ordinary tours with a slightly smaller prize pool up to really sick events with curious qualifiers and, not to forget, a couple of LANs. Right, a Brood War LAN outside of Korea, some of them even happening - which is possible contrary to popular belief - in in Moscow. The Nostalgia League The Nostalgia League was the first event that really blew my mind. While leagues like ICCup Clan League, BWCL and Gambit Cup had problems finding clans to play, or in the case of Eywa, willing to pay money, the Russians again did a thing that went widely unnoticed by us foreigners. This sadly means I have little to no information or recommendations for this event. In spring 2011 yoda and the defiler/reps.ru users crowd funded a $600 prize pool for a clan league that was only open for the Russian teams. The newly formed reps.ru fun gaming pro team signed up, along with the later winner international Federation of Untouchables (with the only foreigner playing this event, eOnzErG) in addition to really traditional teams like Super Russia or 7x. They had sixteen teams, a lot of casts and fun. Sadly, we missed it and only knew about it when most of the league was already in processed or played. The only thing I can add to this thread are some VODs, casted by Tesla & gu-val in English. Fun Tournaments Everyone that followed the Gem League knows that Brood War doesn't really need popular maps to be fun to play or to watch. You can do with a bunch of decently skilled players, even newbs, and get an amazing result if you only slightly alter the game mode. Many people on ICCup don't really get that concept, mostly because they never tried and/or focus to much on ladder, but the Russians did embrace this concept in 2011 and 2012. While other people whine about Lost Temple being a map of the week on TheAbyss, the Russian smile and make the best out of an aged and outdated map. Around ten so-called Perversion Tournaments were hosted by Lisyonok and a few other guys like reps)Anophele. All these tours had something for the winner in, somewhere in between $10 to $60, depending on the gravity and who was interested to see it happen. And no tour really used a standard map or game mode. Some of these had really odd maps, the Defiler Perversion maps, or standard non-standard maps like Blood Bath. Others were re-designed maps you would see in official map packs like Fighting Spirit. The trick on these was, that you would spawn on the middle expansion. Plumbum streamed these kind of maps for weeks, usually going up against other players of defiler. But there was more - two events were more memorable. One due to it's weird qualifier: Lisyonok, the guy behind the defiler.ru chat, apparently coded some whack-a-mole-Brood War game, that is pretty bad, but fun to play for an hour or two. Only the four people with the highest record in that game would be able to qualify for the acutal tour. The other one featured maps with special triggers. A bunch of Russians organized a tour casted by reps)Anophele with he game mode Fastest*2 - that also caused a lot of rethinking. Most players found it rather entertaining, either to play or to watch. Definitely an interesting experiment. Sadly most of the casts are gone, but there's still some pre-coverage material. Show Matches Defiler.ru is all about show matches, at all days you can find people that stream their FPView and have fun games to settle an argument or just to train with other communtiy users. Sometimes with commentary, sometimes without. However, there were more serious show matches as well - we're going to focus on those organized by Defi. In December 2011 he invited a couple of known foreigners to fight over a small prize pool, usually around $10. These games were quite awesome, a mix of new faces, more or less inactive big names and obviously also the top of the Defiler Tournament participants. One player was a bit too skilled to be featured here - Sziky. The Hungarian used to eat the competitors alive, Pro7ect was already getting better and better, but still. Scan wasn't invited either, mostly because he either declined, was not interested or simply didn't match the Russian's fair play motto. So Defi had to look elsewhere to see high class foreign Brood War featuring the top level Zerg. With ex. ICCup.Dayfly aka. Hyeon he found a guy that was willing and able to talk to some of Afreeca's BJ. That's when shit got real. Sziky first faced a relatively unknown but high class Terran named iOps]..Han, got destroyed and almost didn't agree to play more. Luckily, he changed his mind and agreed to face an even stronger Protoss - the KeSPA ex-Pro and OSL Bronze medallist PuSan! This series has been one of the best games post beta - and again can be tied to the Russian scene. References & Sources + Show Spoiler + References ¹ Strelok's post about Heme at reps.ru ² Pro7ect Mini Tour ³ Sergey Mavrodi on Wikipedia Pictures All high quality photos (C) reps)Ayumi Mavrodi taken from google images, edited by NinaZerg Naked Heme taken from reps.ru user galery (for the sake of your own mental health I won't link) Sources (articles, interviews, event info) www.reps.ru www.defiler.ru www.liquipedia.net www.iccup.com Sources (articles, interviews, event info) Tesla (Nostalgia League) yoda (Defiler VODs) Hacklebeast (Sziky v Pusan / Pro7ect v Michael) Helpers itsjustatank (proof read & feedback) reps)Largo (player, tour, LAN & trivia info) reps)Ayumi (best photographer in foreign Brood War) reps)Defi (info & translations) reps)Plumbum (info & explaining Russian mentality) fr)yoda (information & video sources) 2pacalypse (general support) | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:41 GGzerG wrote: You are such a fucking dick for saying that you think I am poor on TL, and that you are a better person than me, thats ok though, I understand you still must be raging like the newb you are after how badly I beat you. If ur confident why not just take his money  edit- you said you would want to play a grudgematch against him, and now your not happy with his ultra generous terms for the match? | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:41 GGzerG wrote: You are such a fucking dick for saying that you think I am poor on TL, and that you are a better person than me, thats ok though, I understand you still must be raging like the newb you are after how badly I beat you. if you can rape him so badly then this will be the easiest 1k you've ever earned for like 2 hours work right? | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:38 GGzerG wrote: I guess we will have to play on the date you set It's actually happening!? o.o who's casting this? | ||
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Megaliskuu
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
On September 18 2012 05:38 GGzerG wrote: I don't know how many times you want me to say I will play, I already accepted it, and since you are an uptight little whiny bitch then I guess we will have to play on the date you set, I already said that I might have something to do on sunday before work, but you ignore that then everyone will just say I am only dodging rofl, how stupid are people... it is amazing. And just because I didn't agree to you're past stakes of ban matches, perma ban / 90day temp ban = I dodged? No. Me dodging would be the match already being set and then me not showing up or dodging another way once the match has already been set, the fact I didn't agree to the stakes you set because I am not interested in a ban match on TL, doesn't mean I dodged. I really thought you were dysxelic, I don't even know who you are then but that is ok, that is why I was asking about the Zerg maps, because I thought you were him, and he plays Zerg. Like I already said before that you ignored and will just say I am dodging, even though I posted this way before, that it is possible I will have something to do before work on sunday, that is why I asked why you changed the time from the 29th to sunday the 23rd. But whatever you are being so uptight and acting like a little bitch trying to control every aspect of this grudge match, so I guess we should just get it over with. I've never seen such a crybaby bitch in my life. You type so much but never say anything: 1. Name your stakes. 2. Agree to the format or suggest an alternative. 3. Agree to the date or suggest an alternative. 4. Name the map pool and map selection format. Your post should be no longer than 100 words. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10668 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:07 Chill wrote: You type so much but never say anything: 1. Name your stakes. 2. Agree to the format or suggest an alternative. 3. Agree to the date or suggest an alternative. 4. Name the map pool and map selection format. Your post should be no longer than 100 words. Chill we already 1. named the stakes, he didn't want to agree to all of the stakes I added ( he dodged them :p ) , he acted like he wanted more but is fine with the ones he stated, and I am fine with them as well. 2. The maps are fine, I choose Neo Medusa as my map of choice. 3. I said I feel forced on the date , I accept playing on the 23rd but like I have already stated several times, if something comes up and I can't play till the 23rd, i'll post it here prior to the 23rd, but I am often busy / called in early at work, which I have already stated. 4. The maps that were already chosen, and my choice is neo medusa. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:31 GGzerG wrote: Chill we already 1. named the stakes, he didn't want to agree to all of the stakes I added ( he dodged them :p ) , he acted like he wanted more but is fine with the ones he stated, and I am fine with them as well. 2. The maps are fine, I choose Neo Medusa as my map of choice. 3. I said I feel forced on the date , I accept playing on the 23rd but like I have already stated several times, if something comes up and I can't play till the 23rd, i'll post it here prior to the 23rd, but I am often busy / called in early at work, which I have already stated. 4. The maps that were already chosen, and my choice is neo medusa. This all sounds fair and good, though one thing that I would like to see is that in the event that you cannot play on the 23'rd you not only post in advance that you will not be able to play, but you also suggest another reasonable date for the match that is within the next few days. Failure to do so should be considered officially as a dodge. Also the channel for the match should be "op Telecom vs Randomkorean". We've already had enough drama with choosing the maps, the time, the conditions, that I think we deserve not to have to read more posts about something as retarded an issue as RK wanting Telecom to play in a channel that Telecom doesn't want to play in because honestly, that is such a fucking waste of an argument. The grudge is already very ripe and we don't need to go over the top now that we finally have something solid started. As for casters, I think it would be best if we had two. If you are interested in casting please send me a PM and in two days, I will include a poll of the casters to choose from. The top two voted will receive the rights to cast the Grudgematch. RK and Telecom may also vote and their votes each count for 10. They may also veto one caster from the list of participants if they so choose. If anyone believes that this is an unfair way of determining casters, please explain why. | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On September 18 2012 07:27 randomKo_Orean wrote: I approve the terms and conditions of this match. So for me, to reitterate, will be 22nd 9PM PST. I also request delayed casting. How does that work though? We can cast games just after they finish. (by replay) Also twitch.tv allows user to implement as much stream delay as they want, so that is an option as well. The question is whether the casters and the players together will have lag issues or not. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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