[HotS] The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - Page 7

On September 07 2012 05:25 Ideas wrote:


now terran uses a boring "mech" ball instead that functions exactly the same as a bio-ball but is slightly slower and has slightly more health.

On September 06 2012 13:03 heyoka wrote:
Okay after reading this I will concede that the worker count thing is okay. But I still think it is ugly as all hell.

On September 07 2012 06:32 aRyuujin wrote:
Meanwhile, I really like the energize ability. It's a new macro mechanic that involves thought. Not only does it increase the mechanical skillcap, it allows for lots of cool plays that we haven't even thought of yet. imagine a storm timing attack based off the energize timing on the templar, or something.

Hydra speed seems awesome. Hydras do such great dps, now with speed, you'll be able to use them more micro intensively, almost like marines, but not as multipurpose

Widow mine seems legit tbh. Maybe buff the splash and nerf the single target, but then it seems a bit like a giant burrowed baneling. I'm definitely a fan though, I feel like it's a move towards smart, positional play

Energize is just a gimmick ability. There isn't any real utility for it. Chrage a nexus?

On September 06 2012 13:50 Plexa wrote:

Yeah I get that, but to be that seems like a bad design decision.

On September 07 2012 07:29 archonOOid wrote:


This quote triggered me to write this post aside from an otherwise great OP i felt quote had some flaws. First off the initial spelling mistake takes away your sincerity and the content seems so dismissive. After watching several protoss streams I've noticed that energize does have utility. Powering the under powered oracle's entomb ability to regain energy and continue the harassment even more. It should work with phoenix too but I've never seen it and so it's only theorycrafting. One thing that it's really useful is against terran when your warping a couple of high templars to instant cause terror over the terran army with storms.

On September 07 2012 07:30 FortuneSyn wrote:
You are way too confident in your own conclusions. The beta has barely been out for 2 days. Look for the positive not the negative.

On September 07 2012 07:43 Skyro wrote:
I don't understand your train of thought on why Entomb is hard to balance. Why would reducing the cost of Oracles be imbalanced? Hellions are dirt cheap. They are great at harassment. Harassment that is potentially game ending, as seen numerous times on the pro level.



But it was the same way in BW with no detection on the stargate, yet BW is universally loved. The real problem isn't the lack of detection, it is that stargate units are badly designed in general. The only time a stargate opening is seen in pro level play is simply used as a transition in PvZ, but really that has more to do with zerg's horrendous lack of AA early game than anything else. IMO the Phoenix should be the de-facto air-to-air unit, and the VR should be air-to-ground.

I think the Oracle, when looking at it in a vacuum seems pretty good, but on the stargate? Phoenix can already harass and scout pretty well. I think they should really look at fleshing out the Stargate to give Protoss some more options in the mid and late game.

On September 07 2012 05:59 red4ce wrote:
I'm still intrigued about the tempest but unfortunately of the few streams I've watched so far I have yet to see it being used. Aside from harassment, has it been used for other purposes like defending your own bases or sieging enemy bases? Does it synergize well with the protoss deathball? I feel like the range on the Tempest is so extreme for a Starcraft game that somebody out there can come up with a neat role for the Tempest that no other unit can replicate.