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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 03:58:02
August 16 2012 03:47 GMT
#1
So one day you probably see yourself in the mirror (I did this infact) and notice how bad you look. Maybe some manboobs here, love handles there, turkey neck and so on. Seeing all of this has motivated you to get off your lazy butt and hit the gym. Getting in shape is actually a tricky business, since there are a lot of traps that newcomers fall into, and get demotivated and off you go back to your original lifestyle. Because getting into shape is actually pretty tricky, you might think well let's give this CrossFit a try since they are literally everywhere and popular (for the wrong reason) as hell. However I advise you to stay away from CrossFit as there are better routines that will give you better results.

CrossFit is dangerous
CrossFit focuses a lot of on high reps in a certain time limit. However this often produces dangerous and unintended results. First of all I believe weight training should never be about time because proper form is the most important aspect of weight training. Proper form is efficient, because all the muscles that the exercise is targeting is being worked and used, and it's safe. Safety always comes first and proper form is a key aspect of safety. Many CrossFit instructors just don't know or don't care about the correct form or there are just too many people for the instructors to watch so there are always people that perform exercises with the incorrect form.

A good example is the dead lift. To perform a dead lift you must keep your back straight at all times to engage your back muscles, which is a muscle group that the exercise targets, and to prevent injuries to your back while doing the exercise. When the dead lift is performed correctly, it's a wonderful exercise that involves the whole body and it's great for building functional strength. Infact it strengthens your back and teaches you one of the most important lessons, which is how to lift things with a straight back and using your whole body so you don't injure yourself.

Does this look like a straight back? Infact you can herniate your spinal discs which can be really painful and put you out of action for weeks.


Also my personal favorite....

Notice the hyperextended backs, note by hyperextending your back you can herniate your spinal disc whic can be really fucking painful. Also compare that to a proper power clean. (Note those plates are not full 45 lb plates, CrossFit make 10 lb weights full size plates and the barbell is not a standard 45 lb barbell as well.)

Infact there are many CrossFitters that injure themselves all the time and CAN NOT WAIT TO GO BACK TO INJURE THEMSELVES AGAIN. Honestly a lot of Injuries can be prevented if the correct form is used. Weight training is a fun activity and it should not be filled with injuries.

CrossFit is inefficient
When people are placed under a time restraint, they tend not to complete the full range of motion of the exercise because it's easier and faster. This again goes back to efficiency, since proper form ensures the full range of motion is performed thus hitting all the muscles that the exercise is targetted. I see people all the time with huge triceps but no chest now what causes this problem? Well when they bench press, they do not allow the bar to drop to their chest, instead they only bend their arms 90 degrees or even 45 degress, this is not even half of the range of motion! As a result their chest is severely under developed. Remember full range of motion is efficient and safe. Being safe means you won't have to spend time to heal injuries and allow more gym time!

CrossFit doesn't really do anything...
First take a look at this:
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Now ask yourself, which power lifter, olympic lifter, or body builder do CrossFit to build muscles. Honestly that image is far from the truth.

Now let's go by example shall we?

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After years of CrossFit, they can't even squat anywhere close to double their body weight? Putting on muscle (bulking) and cutting fat (cutting) takes a lot of hard work and dedication. The way CrossFit trains you just won't let you do that. Also personal example, I've been hitting the gym for about 3 months and I can already squat 245 lb and I weigh 180 lb, and keep in mind I've been on a maintenance/cut diet and I just recently started bulking.

Edit:

Progression vs. Scaling
One thing I forgot to mention actually is that CrossFit doesn't really have a beginners program. When someone is new to weight training, you can not load up a barbell and tell them to go dead lift it. What CrossFit do is they give a stick and tell you to dead lift that. That's called scaling since you are making them do the exercise with low or no weights. You simply just don't do that because it's dangerous in the long run because different muscle groups may not develope evenly or it just fails to develope any core (body) strength, and not to mention the dead lift is a difficult lift to perform by itself. What you should do is pick exercises that is easy and can improve your balance and core strength progressively then you say alright I'm strong enough to dead lift! Mark Rippetoe, the author of the tried and proven starting strength routine, and a former power lifter, doesn't make newbies squat or dead lift right away, because he knows a lot of people lack the core strength to do it. What he does is put newbies on the leg press, or have them do back exentions to build that core strength which is required to dead lift.

*Since I'm writing this telling you not to do CrossFit, I'll also write a guide/blog about how to actually train efficiently, and safely, and also more fun as well. Anyways you can ask me anything weight training related and I'll do my best to answer them.*


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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
August 16 2012 04:01 GMT
#2
Nice post. I had to stop watching that second video like 30 seconds in...those girls look like they are going to drop the fucking weights straight onto their heads.
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 16 2012 04:01 GMT
#3
Point taken! Some of what they're doing looks really really scary (and in a bad way) O_O

Fortunately I'm still pretty thin so I'm not in any immediate need of losing weight, but I'm looking forward to your next blog ofc
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Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 04:06:48
August 16 2012 04:05 GMT
#4
Oh my god that's disgusting looking at those videos.

I go to gym five days a week at my university gym - and the instructors/personal trainers there are so anal about form that they actually go around and help people not doing things right - no matter how small.

I've been doing gym for almost 3 years now, been bulking for two since I was just a bit skinny (not skinny but ya). Now I'm cutting since I have a really, really good size now. I was actually thinking about doing CrossFit - just at home or at the gym on my own accord - but reading what you wrote and a few other reviews from body builders (probs not the best source of info for CrossFit LOL).

Looks like I'll be staying with my usual HIIT training for cardio/cutting. T_T


On August 16 2012 13:01 Bigtony wrote:
Nice post. I had to stop watching that second video like 30 seconds in...those girls look like they are going to drop the fucking weights straight onto their heads.


Rofl I watched the first two girls in the second video and had to stop watching. I couldn't bare watching it LOL. So bad! How can you record that and have the audacity to put it on youtube is beyond me.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
August 16 2012 04:12 GMT
#5
Obviously the video is a joke. Just look at the alleged "weight" on the bars.
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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
August 16 2012 04:14 GMT
#6
On August 16 2012 13:12 L_Master wrote:
Obviously the video is a joke. Just look at the alleged "weight" on the bars.


Ya CrossFit makes everything big so it makes you think that you're really strong when you're not. In my opinion, this is just wrong.
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
August 16 2012 04:52 GMT
#7
Oh goodness, thank you so much for this. My stepmom goes daily, and is always begging me to go with. I went once, and completely hated it. I felt so rushed to get things done, because good balls I'm not going to let my step mom beat me through the routine. After the workout, I was dizzy, light-headed and felt like I was going to die. But I thought I was just out of shape.

The thanks comes, though, because I've been thinking about doing it daily anyway. Looking forward to your next blog, should be helpful.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
August 16 2012 05:13 GMT
#8
Everything in the OP is correct. The form is horrible in those videos, I cringe to look at it.
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bayside
Profile Joined July 2011
United States82 Posts
August 16 2012 05:47 GMT
#9
The problem isn't that Crossfit is bad at all, your not supposed to hype up all this weight and stuff. You start out with simple PVC pipe and learn the form, then start out by perfecting the form with just the bar, then gradually add your weight. I made very fast gains while utilizing crossfit by doing the workouts correctly (Kip pullups went from 7 in a row, to 45 in a row, <3 months, dead hang pullups went from 5 to 31 in same time) Also my deadlift went from 210 to 400 in 3 months, I can jump on a 4 foot box consistantly without hurting myself (not too much), I can run 2 miles in 10 minutes (improved from 1254), also my clean and jerk went from 135 to 210 quite easily, snatch exact same, thruster got up to 220. These are not 1RM either, im talking what I use to consistantly do the workouts... It is like anything else, you have to take your time and learn the basics of each lift and what it does. People are idiots and program these insane workouts that will in reality fuck you up. Just follow a basic online WOD be it the actual crossfit wod or the brandx cf wod that is scaled to what level you are at.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 16 2012 05:48 GMT
#10
I think Crossfitters have convinced themselves that since they are being 'functional' instead of 'bodybuilding' they can somehow not adhere to basic weightlifting protocol.

They also seem to have lost sight of the fact that exercise is not about performing an action but, rather, stimulating the body. You see this in exercises like 'muscle ups' where the whole emphasis is on getting your chin over the bar regardless of how you get there.
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matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
August 16 2012 06:10 GMT
#11
I hear there are good crossfit gyms and then alot of terrible ones. I just find it funny how people can take Glassman or whatever his name is, seriously. Crossfit is basically circuit training, but I mean if I'm going to do a strength and conditioning program, I"m going to a proper one, and not Crossfit. Isn't Rippetoe involved in founding Crossfit? I'm surprised they let these trainers teach bad form under Rippetoe's supervision.

Hitler on Xfit for the lulz.

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Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
August 16 2012 06:26 GMT
#12
Zumba and pilates are popular here. Cross-fit looks retarded, and I don't think we have it here. I think zumba is retarded, but I won't tell the people who like zumba.


Pilates looks retarded too, but it's better on my joints imo, and a good workout too.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 16 2012 08:15 GMT
#13
Okay. To get things clear so you understand where I come from: I do crossfit and have done so for 1 year 3 times a week. I'm not a fanatic that think crossfit is special or the best thing, but I still have to disagree.

The gym I go to very rarely have weight lifting when doing something timed. Weight lifting are usually 5x5 or something similar in your own pace. Furthermore they care a lot about form. If you don't do it right they correct it and tell you to take of weight. They advocate full range motion in every exercise (also during timed).

I'm not saying that this happens in every crossfit gym with every trainer just as I'm annoyed that you saying that crossfit is shit across the board.

You seem to focus a lot on the weight lifted and if you want to lift heavy stuff you should train lifting heavy stuff. I've improved my own 1RM by quite a bit, but with only 3xweek and not focusing on weight I haven't gained as much as I could. But I have improved in other areas like flexibility, cardio and coordination aswell during this time.
What I like about crossfit is the varity of the workout. Its almost never the same that we do and that keeps me highly motivated. Thats the biggest factor for why I do crossfit is that it motivate me to come back and train more. If lifting weights or doing zumba is motivating for you then you should do that and not listening to people who advocate one type of workout over another.

It's just wrong to say that crossfit is bad. Period. Lifting weights without proper form is bad - but that have nothing to do with Crossfit. Not doing full range emotion is bad. Again nothing to do with crossfit.
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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 09:46:23
August 16 2012 09:40 GMT
#14
On August 16 2012 17:15 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay. To get things clear so you understand where I come from: I do crossfit and have done so for 1 year 3 times a week. I'm not a fanatic that think crossfit is special or the best thing, but I still have to disagree.

The gym I go to very rarely have weight lifting when doing something timed. Weight lifting are usually 5x5 or something similar in your own pace. Furthermore they care a lot about form. If you don't do it right they correct it and tell you to take of weight. They advocate full range motion in every exercise (also during timed).

I'm not saying that this happens in every crossfit gym with every trainer just as I'm annoyed that you saying that crossfit is shit across the board.

You seem to focus a lot on the weight lifted and if you want to lift heavy stuff you should train lifting heavy stuff. I've improved my own 1RM by quite a bit, but with only 3xweek and not focusing on weight I haven't gained as much as I could. But I have improved in other areas like flexibility, cardio and coordination aswell during this time.
What I like about crossfit is the varity of the workout. Its almost never the same that we do and that keeps me highly motivated. Thats the biggest factor for why I do crossfit is that it motivate me to come back and train more. If lifting weights or doing zumba is motivating for you then you should do that and not listening to people who advocate one type of workout over another.

It's just wrong to say that crossfit is bad. Period. Lifting weights without proper form is bad - but that have nothing to do with Crossfit. Not doing full range emotion is bad. Again nothing to do with crossfit.


Actually you're right I know some gyms that just use the name to get more members, but they completely abandon the really dumb training regiments that CrossFit uses and goes with more of a standard functional strength training routine such as strong lift 5x5 which is the routine I still use somewhat although heavily modified. However from what I've been looking online, those kind of gyms are really hard to find and seriously consider yourself lucky that you found a gym like that.

Basically standard CrossFit sucks because conventional circuit training is safer and better for muscle hypertrophy, and it's seriously pretty dangerous, and Olympic style lifts are not meant to be done with infinite reps or against the clock in rushed manner. Also kipping pullups, they're dumb and bad. Don't do them.
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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
August 16 2012 09:46 GMT
#15
Jesus Christ, these postures, especially the first video...
I've never been much of a wieghtlifter but damn it's as if they wanted to get injured.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
August 16 2012 10:04 GMT
#16
My gym have its own WOD calender. They don't use the official WOD from the crossfit HQ. I don't really understand what you mean by standard crossfit being bad? Crossfit is just a mix of different kinds of training: Weight lifting, gymnastic, aerobic, yoga etc..

About kipping. I have no clue what its supposed to do. I've heard its just to incoporate cardio in the pull ups? Seen the jumping Pull ups? I usually don't do kipping because my shoulder strenght aren't good enough to hold me when i come down from the kip.
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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 10:28:37
August 16 2012 10:15 GMT
#17
Mainly the timed stuff and infinite rep Olympic liffs; like I said earlier Olympic lifts are NOT MEANT TO BE DONE WITH INIFINTE REPS OR TIMED. Honestly I still think the progression vs. scaling is still a major issue because a lot of people just lack the strength to even jump into your average WOD routine. They even say their routines are meant to push even the fittest people to their limits, now think about your average person trying to get into shape.
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Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
August 16 2012 12:19 GMT
#18
Dear god.... I just got done doing new heavier weights on my deadlifts 2 days ago and I still feel sore. I spent the next few days going over and over in my mind how well my form was since I don't want to look like an idiot newbie at the gym.

These Crossfit people seriously just don't give a fuck about form at all do they? That girl doing the deadlift was not using her ass at all... That back is going to snap one day, what the fuck is she so happy about. I just hope that people don't think I'm doing Crossfit when I'm practicing to get my form right with a weightless oly bar....
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
August 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#19
I completely agree, I have a few friends into crossfit and they keep trying to get me to do it, but there is no way in hell. I'm pretty serious when it comes to form in weight lifting, my motto is what is the fucking point if your gonna do it wrong, and that is all that crossfit is!
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
August 16 2012 15:06 GMT
#20
Lol the amount of TMW quotes in the first vod is fucking gold
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Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 15:31:55
August 16 2012 15:22 GMT
#21
Certainly seeing those videos was shocking - that woman probably couldn't walk right for a week just from that one deadlift, her back was literally concave - but you've based your argument around a small number of anecdotes that isn't particularly convincing.

A proper trainer (in crossfit or otherwise) will not allow you to sacrifice form for reps. The "trainers" who are allowing this to happen cannot possibly be certified personal trainers, or if they are, they fell through the cracks that should have taken them out in school. To put it simply, they're bad hires that probably reflect mostly on the lack of quality control in crossfit's hiring process.

Similarly, there is no "magic bullet" to getting big. The examples of people who couldn't even squat twice their body weight in two years would be more convincing if we could speak to them, and get an assessment as to how seriously they were taking their training. When I was younger, I lifted for years and never improved, simply because I didn't have good form or followup (in terms of cooldown and recovery). I didn't take it seriously. A crossfit trainer isn't responsible for making sure their people actually follow through on their recovery.

I'm not saying that any of the anecdotes you've posted here are excusable, and I'm not saying that the gyms which allowed that to happen should be anything but shut down. But the core of crossfit is not "As many Olympic-style lifts as possible in a limited time period," it's essentially a guided, varied set of circuit lifts and cardio exercises using certified trainers for motivation and education, and a prepared schedule of WODs to prevent your muscles from getting used to the exercises. All you've really shown here is that many crossfit gyms implement this poorly, and I agree - if your crossfit gym is doing this, quit immediately.
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Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
August 16 2012 15:29 GMT
#22
I had a good laugh at that 2nd video lol.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
August 16 2012 16:05 GMT
#23
On August 17 2012 00:22 Vega62a wrote:
Similarly, there is no "magic bullet" to getting big.


Of course there isn't, but the OP never suggested this.
leere
Profile Joined October 2011
United States39 Posts
August 16 2012 16:18 GMT
#24
On August 17 2012 00:22 Vega62a wrote:
Certainly seeing those videos was shocking - that woman probably couldn't walk right for a week just from that one deadlift, her back was literally concave - but you've based your argument around a small number of anecdotes that isn't particularly convincing.

A proper trainer (in crossfit or otherwise) will not allow you to sacrifice form for reps. The "trainers" who are allowing this to happen cannot possibly be certified personal trainers, or if they are, they fell through the cracks that should have taken them out in school. To put it simply, they're bad hires that probably reflect mostly on the lack of quality control in crossfit's hiring process.

Similarly, there is no "magic bullet" to getting big. The examples of people who couldn't even squat twice their body weight in two years would be more convincing if we could speak to them, and get an assessment as to how seriously they were taking their training. When I was younger, I lifted for years and never improved, simply because I didn't have good form or followup (in terms of cooldown and recovery). I didn't take it seriously. A crossfit trainer isn't responsible for making sure their people actually follow through on their recovery.

I'm not saying that any of the anecdotes you've posted here are excusable, and I'm not saying that the gyms which allowed that to happen should be anything but shut down. But the core of crossfit is not "As many Olympic-style lifts as possible in a limited time period," it's essentially a guided, varied set of circuit lifts and cardio exercises using certified trainers for motivation and education, and a prepared schedule of WODs to prevent your muscles from getting used to the exercises. All you've really shown here is that many crossfit gyms implement this poorly, and I agree - if your crossfit gym is doing this, quit immediately.


Only one of OP's points is that crossfit is dangerous. I agree, if you're working with professional PT's who know form then you won't hurt yourself doing crossfit. However, OP's other major point is that crossfit is inefficient; this is definitely true.

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Not only is this the most brosciency thing that I have ever read, it is flat out incorrect. Someone should really tell Layne Norton:

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That his "neuroendocrine response" is "blunted." If only he could get that crossfit anabolic punch!!!

Bodybuilding workouts are solely built around the concept of creating muscle mass. WOD's are designed to ....shock muscles or build speed or something? I'm not honestly sure because I don't do crossfit, but they just aren't as effective as a traditional bodybuilding split.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
August 16 2012 16:57 GMT
#25
My girlfriend is doing a branch of crossfit (Crossfit 2.2 - basically a gym idea run by some personal trainers which has an extremely good reputation around town and uses the WOD style). From my understanding the idea of WODs is that they're a mix of traditional bodybuilding and cardio workouts, and the reason they are varied is to avoid the decrease in efficiency that arises from using the same types of motion in exercise.

I don't think the idea behind crossfit is efficiency, though. I'll totally buy that there are better ways to get extremely strong if that's your goal, and you're right, that was some shameless broscience right there. I think the point is more motivation and support and structure - most people who are deep into bodybuilding don't understand this, because those people have the motivation (and support) that they need already. Motivation can be a hard thing to come by.

I'm not necessarily defending much of what was discussed in the OP, to be honest. The website is misleading, and the examples he found were disgusting. Somebody who really wants to become a bodybuilder and has the motivation, but not the knowledge, should invest in a few sessions of personal training from someone reputable, take notes, and go from there. The biggest reason I can't dismiss crossfit as "lol don't do it" is because of the motivation, structure, support, and community it provides to people who aren't looking to get ripped, but only get in shape, and haven't had success elsewhere.
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G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
August 16 2012 19:25 GMT
#26
On August 17 2012 01:18 leere wrote:
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On August 17 2012 00:22 Vega62a wrote:
Certainly seeing those videos was shocking - that woman probably couldn't walk right for a week just from that one deadlift, her back was literally concave - but you've based your argument around a small number of anecdotes that isn't particularly convincing.

A proper trainer (in crossfit or otherwise) will not allow you to sacrifice form for reps. The "trainers" who are allowing this to happen cannot possibly be certified personal trainers, or if they are, they fell through the cracks that should have taken them out in school. To put it simply, they're bad hires that probably reflect mostly on the lack of quality control in crossfit's hiring process.

Similarly, there is no "magic bullet" to getting big. The examples of people who couldn't even squat twice their body weight in two years would be more convincing if we could speak to them, and get an assessment as to how seriously they were taking their training. When I was younger, I lifted for years and never improved, simply because I didn't have good form or followup (in terms of cooldown and recovery). I didn't take it seriously. A crossfit trainer isn't responsible for making sure their people actually follow through on their recovery.

I'm not saying that any of the anecdotes you've posted here are excusable, and I'm not saying that the gyms which allowed that to happen should be anything but shut down. But the core of crossfit is not "As many Olympic-style lifts as possible in a limited time period," it's essentially a guided, varied set of circuit lifts and cardio exercises using certified trainers for motivation and education, and a prepared schedule of WODs to prevent your muscles from getting used to the exercises. All you've really shown here is that many crossfit gyms implement this poorly, and I agree - if your crossfit gym is doing this, quit immediately.


Only one of OP's points is that crossfit is dangerous. I agree, if you're working with professional PT's who know form then you won't hurt yourself doing crossfit. However, OP's other major point is that crossfit is inefficient; this is definitely true.

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Not only is this the most brosciency thing that I have ever read, it is flat out incorrect. Someone should really tell Layne Norton:

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That his "neuroendocrine response" is "blunted." If only he could get that crossfit anabolic punch!!!

Bodybuilding workouts are solely built around the concept of creating muscle mass. WOD's are designed to ....shock muscles or build speed or something? I'm not honestly sure because I don't do crossfit, but they just aren't as effective as a traditional bodybuilding split.


Ya that's the most broscience and wrong thing ever.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
August 16 2012 19:35 GMT
#27
I don't know if CrossFit is good or not, but picking out individual profiles as anecdotes for why it isn't good is pretty silly.

Maybe they haven't updated their profiles, or just don't actually train that hard.
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
August 16 2012 20:13 GMT
#28
Crossfit is awesome!
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dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
February 02 2013 02:56 GMT
#29
The Crossfit community now emphasizes form with intensity. I see a lot of guys in the gym working out for 2 hours a day in the gym. Sure, their form is great, but the effort and intesity isn't. They're wasting their time in my opinion. A lot of the innovators in Crossfit used to emphasize reps over form, but that isn't the case today. Today, all the top-tier talents are ephasizing form with intensity to hit their goals. Not practicing good form does not help you hit your fitness goals as fast.

Ony of the big issues is Crossfit has grown so fast. 10 years ago, nobody had a clue what Crossfit was. Today, there are 4,440 Crossfit gyms. Obviously, everyone has their own spin/bro science on how to Crossfit. If you set tough but realistic goals, push yourself, and work with the right trainer, I think you will see the benefits.

Hope this merits a post despite the length of time between posts.
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oliverg
Profile Joined July 2013
1 Post
July 07 2013 15:05 GMT
#30
I gained 25 pounds of lean mass in 6 months doing crossfit.

I've been in the gym for 2 years, doing it after the book and I only gained about 10 pounds of lean mass and about 10 pounds of fat.

Crossfit is not dangerous, but it will be for the people who have no clue and no weight lifting skills, luckily there are beginner workouts, so everyone can get the proper skills. Doing it the old fashioned way doesn't mean it's the best way. Never before have I been more motivated than when I started to Crossfit. It is the first thing I think about when I wake up and the last when I go to sleep.

You're totally biased, you've not been to a proper crossfit Gym and you hate on the people doing crossfit due to that it works.

I'm not saying Crossfit is the best, there is a workout method for every purpose. The best overall fitness you will get by doing crossfit. The military does it, the firefighters does it. I rest my case.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 17:41:32
July 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#31
On July 08 2013 00:05 oliverg wrote:
I gained 25 pounds of lean mass in 6 months doing crossfit.

I've been in the gym for 2 years, doing it after the book and I only gained about 10 pounds of lean mass and about 10 pounds of fat.

Crossfit is not dangerous, but it will be for the people who have no clue and no weight lifting skills, luckily there are beginner workouts, so everyone can get the proper skills. Doing it the old fashioned way doesn't mean it's the best way. Never before have I been more motivated than when I started to Crossfit. It is the first thing I think about when I wake up and the last when I go to sleep.

You're totally biased, you've not been to a proper crossfit Gym and you hate on the people doing crossfit due to that it works.

I'm not saying Crossfit is the best, there is a workout method for every purpose. The best overall fitness you will get by doing crossfit. The military does it, the firefighters does it. I rest my case.


"If you disagree with their training philosophy you're just a HATER who clearly hates the people themselves doing the training, not the training regime themselves." I mean just look at one of their slogans. "Our warmup is your workout" HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING WHEN YOU'RE WEIGHTLIFTING. That's only asking for a ticket to snap city. Weiightlifting is supposed to be a slow and steady process, not cardio. Deadlifts aren't cardio.

I have never seen anyone that doesn't work for Crossfit or has spent their money on Crossfit defend Crossfits training regime. Not once. Oddly enough, I've seen plenty of people who haven't done Madcow, SL5x5, SS, and so forth swear by it to lifters who want to try it out. The issue with Crossfit is that it's about going from Point A to Point B. How you get there is completely irrelevant to them. It's just getting there. That's incredibly dangerous.

Also, 25 pounds in lean muscle mass in 6 months? LOL that's physically impossible no matter what program you're doing. Holy shit you're so full of crap it's hurting my sides. The fact you "only" gained 10 pounds of lean muscle mass in two years isn't because you weren't doing crossfit. You probably just had a shitty fucking regime without many compound lifts. More likely, you were probably eating terribly. Crossfit isn't some magic program that lets you defy the laws of physics.

P.S. - This first video was posted on the official CrossFit channel. What she is doing are officially sanctioned CrossFit pullups.

P.S.S. - Sick appeals to authority bro.



Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 07 2013 17:42 GMT
#32
On July 08 2013 00:05 oliverg wrote:
I gained 25 pounds of lean mass in 6 months doing crossfit.

I've been in the gym for 2 years, doing it after the book and I only gained about 10 pounds of lean mass and about 10 pounds of fat.

Crossfit is not dangerous, but it will be for the people who have no clue and no weight lifting skills, luckily there are beginner workouts, so everyone can get the proper skills. Doing it the old fashioned way doesn't mean it's the best way. Never before have I been more motivated than when I started to Crossfit. It is the first thing I think about when I wake up and the last when I go to sleep.

You're totally biased, you've not been to a proper crossfit Gym and you hate on the people doing crossfit due to that it works.

I'm not saying Crossfit is the best, there is a workout method for every purpose. The best overall fitness you will get by doing crossfit. The military does it, the firefighters does it. I rest my case.


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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
July 07 2013 17:44 GMT
#33
As douchey and potentially unsafe as Crossfit is, it sure produces some nice looking physiques on women. Sure the same could be achieved with proper lifting and cardio, but there's an idiotic stigma that even picking up a weight will make a woman look like a steroided man.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
July 07 2013 17:56 GMT
#34
On July 08 2013 02:44 Mothra wrote:
As douchey and potentially unsafe as Crossfit is, it sure produces some nice looking physiques on women. Sure the same could be achieved with proper lifting and cardio, but there's an idiotic stigma that even picking up a weight will make a woman look like a steroided man.


Any amount of strong lifting will produce awesome physiques on women.

I have to agree though that CrossFit sure has done at least one good thing and that is remove the stigma you describe.
WhateverCFhater
Profile Joined November 2013
Australia1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 04:35:32
November 19 2013 04:33 GMT
#35
Amazing! Did you guys come up with these thoughts all by yourself??? Maybe you should start talking about rhabdo! That's a new one!
Here's a video!

Lets all blast away on this. Oh wait we cant because commenting on bicep curls won't get us any attention we are so desperate for!
Yes CrossFit IS Strength and Con.....!! SO WHAT! It has always been and has claimed to be S&C. We use S&C, linear progression and periodization, corrective exercises. If you think we take Joe off the street in and have them do Fran the next week, haters, you are delusional!
My members come in with goals and reach them with hard work and clean living.
Hey I got a good idea... Lets go beefcake with 3 sets of 10 for everything, hit one part of the body 6 times in the same workout (HA! and we get blamed for overuse and high reps), then before our 'competition' lets NOT drink water and carb DEPLETE. The only 'sport' involving muscle that gets that backwards!!
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Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
November 19 2013 06:59 GMT
#36
I physically cringed at that deadlift video, I knew crossfit was bad everytime I see them kipping but holy crap that girl is going to blow her back out.
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