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Losing the win mentality

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reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
July 17 2012 01:15 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

at the moment i have some issues with the menal side of things, when playing starcraft: I lose the interest in the game very quickly and with it the will to win; i just become indifferent.

It usually goes like this: Game starts, i forget overlord on 9 -> interest lost. Hatchery build at 360 minerals -> interest lost. Losing a drone or two to a hellion -> interest lost. And so on and on.

If something like this occurs in a game (and it occurs in 99% of the games), i don't even want to win that game anymore. I swap into this mode, where i take a hand off the keyboard and start goofing around, writing "LOL" with creep tumors or some shit like that. Most of the games i leave before a battle has even begun.

The emotional state i am in at this point is very weird. I am totally not mad, more calm and almost bored. I just don't care about that particular game any more. Often times i think the game is just dull, but i always queue up for another game, even tho i know it would be better to take a break. In the next game an even smaller hickup is enough to get me into this "meh, whatever"-state.

The 'logic' behind this would be, that i think i don't even deserve to win a game where i lose a scouting drone or forget an upgrade or so or at least i don't want to win that way.

So at the moment my last 50 games are something around 2w-48l or something.

I think about letting sc2 rest for a while. A month or so. What do you think? Any ideas?

*
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 01:18:33
July 17 2012 01:18 GMT
#2
double post.. sorry
kamkerx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States264 Posts
July 17 2012 01:21 GMT
#3
sounds like an excuse for losing
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
July 17 2012 01:27 GMT
#4
That's just ridiculous, frankly. EVERYBODY makes mistakes. Hell, most games aren't about who plays better, it's about who fucks up less. My macro isn't better than my opponent, it's just less shitty. Neither of us are playing even close to our full potential. This applies all the way up to mid Masters or even higher. We ALL make mistakes. Even progamers make mistakes. Expecting a perfect game out of yourself is unrealistic. Even progamers would call that unreachable.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
July 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#5
Oh damn, I have this mentality all the time.

I dunno, I think it arises from a lot of things.

1. Often times it arises from the idea that I am better than I really am...when my play should define me.
2. You're (me too) letting your mistakes and your idealized image of yourself control you instead of controlling the game.
I find focusing on what I have to do NEXT, CONSTANTLY, removes that feeling. There's so much you can do in this game if you really try to stress yourself. Focus on walking that line between doing as much as you can and failing.
3. For me my boredom rises a lot b/c I feel the current state of the game is boring. But there are no better modern RTS out there, so whatever.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
A2340
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada106 Posts
July 17 2012 01:44 GMT
#6
Honestly, I don't see any reason for you to play this game. It doesn't sound like you're enjoying it, and it doesn't seem like you want to or will be able to get better (and the "logic" behind this is ridiculous; SC2 is a game about who makes the least mistakes, not about who makes no mistakes).
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
July 17 2012 01:59 GMT
#7
On July 17 2012 10:44 WahMyNose wrote:
Honestly, I don't see any reason for you to play this game. It doesn't sound like you're enjoying it, and it doesn't seem like you want to or will be able to get better (and the "logic" behind this is ridiculous; SC2 is a game about who makes the least mistakes, not about who makes no mistakes).


Yeah I agree with this, sounds like you're not enjoying yourself at all. If you want to reframe your "logic", imagine how much handicap your favorite pro could take and still probably crush the person you're playing against. A good player can take a huge disadvantage and still hang in and win against a lesser player (like in chess, where piece odds are given). Even the best players make mistakes, but they're the best because they are unfazed by screwing up or playing at a disadvantage.
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 02:13:12
July 17 2012 02:08 GMT
#8
Its not that i don't know that everybody makes mistakes. I put 'logic' in apostrophes because i know its flawed. Its just the way i look at the game at the moment...

Qwyn is on the right track. The "better than i really am"-component is in fact a huge factor. With most of these hickups in the game i think "man, that was so stupid, that should have never ever happend to you. [because you are better than that]".

Then i think the whole game is down the drain already and i close the game in my mind as a loss and just want to start over with a new game. But for some twisted reason i stay in the game half-heartedly and do some goofball shitstuff.

Its true that i don't get any enjoyment out of the game at the moment, even the few wins that occur feel like "meh, opponent was really bad". Thats the reason, why i started this blog in the first place..
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2012 02:12 GMT
#9
Honestly I'm getting a bit of this.

In Bronze and low Silver I had a 100% winrate (MMR dropped due to stupid stuff when I first got the game), but now that winrate is a good 70%, 60%, or some days 50%. All the losses are natural and come from the difficulty curve scaling but it's pissing me off because it's not the 90-100% I'm used to. Also because I only turn my MMR tool after I get a win, so it counts more of my losses than wins.

Also, PvZ, a matchup that has been my specialty and pride for almost 12 years (loooooved it in Brood War), is slipping and I think it's actually becoming my worst matchup now.

That said I have things to keep me going. Get some friends you know into the game if you haven't already. They help a lot and a guy I introduced not too long ago is now able to beat me. Get into some tournaments to gauge your progess.

That said, a break is definitely worth it. Go play something completely unrelated - an FPS, maybe something like Minecraft or really anything that doesn't involve SC units or too much thinking/strategy. It'll be a welcome break and you can come back mid-August for the new season to start
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Faent
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada94 Posts
July 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#10
It sounds like you don't even want to play this game. But if you really do, I think you just need to swallow your pride and realize that you aren't a Starcraft god. To put it in perspective, I've seen players like DRG forget to rally/ hotkey a macro hatchery all game. Even the best pros in the world make mistakes. If you really want to play, get over yourself. I almost feel like your indifference is disrespectful to players who aspire to play good Starcraft.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 03:34:02
July 17 2012 03:31 GMT
#11
On July 17 2012 11:08 reapsen wrote:
Its not that i don't know that everybody makes mistakes. I put 'logic' in apostrophes because i know its flawed. Its just the way i look at the game at the moment...

Qwyn is on the right track. The "better than i really am"-component is in fact a huge factor. With most of these hickups in the game i think "man, that was so stupid, that should have never ever happend to you. [because you are better than that]".

Then i think the whole game is down the drain already and i close the game in my mind as a loss and just want to start over with a new game. But for some twisted reason i stay in the game half-heartedly and do some goofball shitstuff.

Its true that i don't get any enjoyment out of the game at the moment, even the few wins that occur feel like "meh, opponent was really bad". Thats the reason, why i started this blog in the first place..


I think that you should focus on improving your mechanics.

That's how I get the most joy out of this game atm. Play as fast as I can and do as much as I can.

Don't give a shit about the opponent or what he does (now obviously make reads on him, but don't critique him in your head "this guy's bad" sort of shit. That's an extremely negative spiral). .

Play only to:

1. Max out as fast as you can.
2. Complete build objectives as fast as you can.
3. SPEED! (My favorite part of this game).
4. Get in flow. This is the best feeling in the world.
5. Basically, do more than you did the game before.

If you focus on trying to do as much as possible and critique YOUR play then it is much better. Don't get wrapped up in assessing what happened on a game to game basis.

Here's the thing. When I went through that phase I was too specific in my critiques, - too harsh. But when you focus on mechanical improvement there are overarching themes that you can take a look at, and little things as well. Things like faster on gas timings, hiccups in your mineral spending...

Don't stress the little fucking small errors. Make them be "in the moment." Each game try to get things perfect, but if you fuck up here and there make a mental note and move on to the next objective. The trick is to give yourself so many things to do that you have to work for it. YOUR play. Other player is a robot.

Also, - one more thing, try to find a style that really suits you. For me that is ling/bane. It can be whatever you want, but play to your strengths.

EDIT: If you want to keep playing this game and have fun it is imperative that you change your mindset as soon as possible. It actually begins to make you lose games. As you get more and more irritated your mind becomes obsessed wtih that and you begin to make a shitton of mistakes. And ofc you get more and more aggravated. Just a word of advice, you need to find something else in the game to be passionate about quickly. For me that is mechanics.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
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