God is dead - Page 2

On July 08 2012 21:23 krndandaman wrote:


wow way to be uptight and pretentious lol

On July 08 2012 20:40 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, it's a hilarious joke. nothing more.. that you are so offended merely shows me that religious groups don't have a monopoly on unwarranted feelings of being offended.

On July 08 2012 22:04 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Yeah but the joke doesn't make any sense when you understand what Nietzsche really meant by that.

It was 5 years ago so my knowledge on philosophy is really fuzzy now, but I think the full quote is something like

God is dead, humans killed him.

Nietsche wasn't trying to be facetious about it. He was trying to explain how humans have forgotten the true purpose of religion or something like that. That's why its so ironic, its actually hilarious that the church is selling those shirts because it makes them look like complete fools. They may as well just have shirts saying "I am retarded" and have sold those instead.

On July 08 2012 22:04 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Yeah but the joke doesn't make any sense when you understand what Nietzsche really meant by that.

It was 5 years ago so my knowledge on philosophy is really fuzzy now, but I think the full quote is something like

God is dead, humans killed him.

Nietsche wasn't trying to be facetious about it. He was trying to explain how humans have forgotten the true purpose of religion or something like that. That's why its so ironic, its actually hilarious that the church is selling those shirts because it makes them look like complete fools. They may as well just have shirts saying "I am retarded" and have sold those instead.

On July 08 2012 20:46 Kuja wrote:

Err, I'm sorry but i don't quite understand your point of view (which I can almost guarantee you is my own fault). I can see how it could easily be portrayed as a joke but the context of the event, situation and the general mindset of the people I interacted with wearing those shirts suggests against it.

I think I would have picked up on if it was meant as a joke, i'm not easily offended at all but this pushed my buttons for some reason.

On July 08 2012 22:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


1. http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/

2. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928

3. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2010/09/why-do-atheists-know-more-about-religion/22880/

Sorry, what were you saying?

Also, what explicit misinterpretations of philosophy, science, and mathematics are used in atheist quotes? There are plenty used in religious quotes (especially when it comes to evolution, the big bang, the definition of "theory", clearly Nietsche, and plenty of others).

On July 08 2012 22:30 Kukaracha wrote:


Those who understand Nietzsche might feel offended by some of his concepts, but that goes for many things he said (the idea of übermensch associated with Hitler's Mein Kampf for example). So yes, they probably want to "get back" at him for saying that God is dead, but in the end they simply don't understand what he said. Why would you be so mad? People don't understand things all the time. Do you understand the current crisis? Do you understand the ecological impact of Chinese activity around the desert of Gobi? I guess not, right?

So, in the end, it's just a joke, chillax. There are also idiotic jokes on the atheist side, comparing the christian god to Thor and/or Odin, and they don't make you pop a vein, do they?

On July 08 2012 22:05 krndandaman wrote:


cause your joke is plain lame
i guess drone, me, and plenty others who chuckled at the joke are all religious fanatics

On July 08 2012 22:33 Kukaracha wrote:


I would argue that most atheists and most believers don't understand religion from a theological point of view.

On July 08 2012 22:44 Xiron wrote:
So then you could explain me the funny part of the joke? At the moment my view of it is: Someone died and people laugh at him because the died.

As people concluded above: Knowing what Nietzsche meant makes this joke really hard to understand.

On July 08 2012 22:46 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I recommend everyone should watch Religulous. This guy was born and raised in a christian family, knows more about christianity than most christians do, yet is an atheist.

On July 08 2012 22:55 Kukaracha wrote:


1) One example is not a valid argument to defend a generalization.

2) Why would you assume that trivial commoners can perfectly understand the Bible, and that they can in turn not understand Nietzsche's Zarathustra? Both are equally cryptic. What leads you to believe that people who read the Bible and that people who study it during their whole lives have a similar knowledge of it?

I actually never thought of this, but it seems as a very good defense in favor of the Bible.

On July 08 2012 22:53 krndandaman wrote:


i guess you are too intelligent to laugh at such a dumb joke

On July 08 2012 22:55 Kukaracha wrote:


1) One example is not a valid argument to defend a generalization.

2) Why would you assume that trivial commoners can perfectly understand the Bible, and that they can in turn not understand Nietzsche's Zarathustra? Both are equally cryptic. What leads you to believe that people who read the Bible and that people who study it during their whole lives have a similar knowledge of it?

I actually never thought of this, but it seems as a very good defense in favor of the Bible.

He who liveth amongst the good- pity teacheth him to lie. Pity
maketh stifling air for all free souls. For the stupidity of the
good is unfathomable.
To conceal myself and my riches- that did I learn down there: for
every one did I still find poor in spirit. It was the lie of my
pity, that I knew in every one.
-That I saw and scented in every one, what was enough of spirit
for him, and what was too much!
Their stiff wise men: I call them wise, not stiff- thus did I
learn to slur over words.
The grave-diggers dig for themselves diseases. Under old rubbish
rest bad vapours. One should not stir up the marsh. One should live on
mountains.
With blessed nostrils do I again breathe mountain-freedom. Freed
at last is my nose from the smell of all human hubbub!
With sharp breezes tickled, as with sparkling wine, sneezeth my
soul- sneezeth, and shouteth self-congratulatingly: "Health to thee!"

Thus spake Zarathustra.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

On July 08 2012 23:12 Kukaracha wrote:
Random excerpt :


I fail to see how this is any clearer than the Bible itself.
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On July 08 2012 23:10 sluggaslamoo wrote:
No I mean you should just watch it to see how most christians even ministers don't even understand their own religion

Well, I was 16 when I read up about Nietzsche, and the "God is dead" part is one of the first things you read about as it is the foundation for a lot of his writings. I'm pretty sure it was one of the most clear cut, straight to the point message that I had ever read.

At least it made a lot more sense than

"... And the talking snake said to Eve, here, eat this magical apple!".

On July 08 2012 23:16 Kuja wrote:
What kind of argument is that? I can take a random excerpt out of virtually anything and post it and it wouldn't make sense. So your saying random excerpts without any context are supposed to make sense?