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Cyber Warfare: The Future of War?

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sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
July 01 2012 03:46 GMT
#1
I think there's little doubt that cyber attacks have increased worldwide and while it seems to only play a minor role in inter-state conflict, it has the potential to become a state's go to weapon. Why do I say that?

Firstly, the cost. It is relatively cheaper both monetarily and politically to launch a cyber attack on an enemy state. Doesn't require boots on the ground or in the air...

Secondly, there is anonymity. It's not very easy to track from where a virus originates from. Most states won't have the capability. Furthermore, with a large amount of hacktivists and patriotic hackers, it's hard to say if a state actually pulled the strings. For example, the 2010 case involving Iranian and Chinese hackers Link Here

However, some might raise the Stuxnet virus, where experts figured out that it was too complex for basement hackers and require state resources. I suspect the complexity of state ordered computer viruses and cyber attacks will increase, but so will independent capabilities. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that the gap might shorten...


With the two advantages I've noted above, I'm expecting to see cyber warfare between states increase with a possible increase in all inter-state conflicts. Cyber attacks could become what terrorism was during the 70s-90s (even today) when states would support proxy groups all over the world to hit their enemies. It's affordable and have few risks, cyber attacks could be packaged to be even more affordable and have fewer risks for state agents. ALSO, there's no body bags... very important when influencing public opinion in 1st world democracies etc.


Poll: How will cyber warfare affect the future of inter-state conflict?

Reduce traditional war as most conflicts go online (6)
 
46%

It's not worthy to be called "war" (4)
 
31%

No impact, most States won't have the technology to engage in it (3)
 
23%

13 total votes

Your vote: How will cyber warfare affect the future of inter-state conflict?

(Vote): Reduce traditional war as most conflicts go online
(Vote): No impact, most States won't have the technology to engage in it
(Vote): It's not worthy to be called "war"




If y'all would like to read more about the topic or get a better sense of what I'm trying to say, there's a piece I've written Here

Otherwise, just check out the spoiler... I've cut out the opening fluff...
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Everything’s Going Online

Cyber warfare is either the latest platform for inter-state conflict or a gimmick that doesn’t fit the conventional definition for warfare. It may sound like the stuff of movies and spy novels, but the Internet has becoming an avenue for ‘violent’ political action. The actors include state agencies, patriotic groups (supported or encouraged by states), non-state actors and transnational actors, all creating the same sense of chaotic order that exists in the real world of politics.

The potential for cyber warfare has expanded with our growing reliance on technology. And while some question its intentions and utility, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) recently passed at the U.S. House of Representatives is an indication of the concept’s growing support base. CISPA’s proponents have often cited the act as a necessary piece of legislation to defend America and her interests against Russian and Chinese cyber attacks.

There have always been rumours of China and Russia fielding hundreds of computer hackers in secret facilities. Video game Company Electronic Arts even added them into their popular Real-time strategy game Command & Conquer: Generals, where Chinese armies field computer hackers along side tanks and MiG fighters. There have already been “cyber wars” between patriotic hackers, like the 2010 incident involving Iran and China. In such cases it is difficult to decipher the level of government complicity. It is quite possible that these young keyboard warriors might become a future form of state sponsored proxy terrorists.

Beyond Cyberspace


However, there is a difference between shutting down the White House’ website or YouTube to cyber attacks that can make waves outside the World Wide Web. According to U. S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, a crippling attack that could shut down power grids or financial institutions could be classified as an act of war. While there have been very few cyber attacks that could be classified under this definition, the two most successful cases involve Israeli/American cyber attacks on Iran’s nuclear program.

In 2010, a complex computer virus called Stuxnet severely dented Iran’s nuclear progress. Some estimated that the damage was so significant that it set back the program six months; it even bought about a lull in rhetoric coming from the Israeli Prime Minister’s office. The most recent virus named “Flame” has infiltrated users across the Middle East, making their webcams and microphones into spying devices. In both cases, experts concluded that the technology was too advanced for basement hackers and must have involved state resources. Reports also stated that both programs were created by the same parties with possible Israeli and American cooperation. With Panetta’s definition, it could be argued that Israel and America have already engaged Iran in an act of war.

Given the Wild West nature of the Internet, threats can emanate from a variety of sources. States like India that have a strong technology sector that has helped develop both cyber defensive and offensive capabilities to counter the threats they face from states like Pakistan and China. Iran has also invested in mastering various tools of cyber warfare and their capture of the hi-tech U.S. RQ-170 Sentinel drone may have been their crowning achievement. Research on China’s capabilities show a deep technical, strategic and even philosophical perspective on cyber warfare, often referencing Sun Tzu’s work to interpret the use of cyber warfare. A former senior Colonel of the People’s Liberation Army and cyber warfare strategist, Wang Baocun wrote in the mid-90s that cyber warfare strategy reinforces the notion of Sun Tzu’s “subduing the enemy without battle.” If China’s cyber strategy has continued to evolve since then, perhaps it truly is the formidable bogey man everyone suspects it of being.

Battles without Blood and Bodies

Organizations and governments all over the world agree that there has been a significant increase in cyber attacks. The United Kingdom’s security service MI5 has stated that they have been battling an “astonishing” number of cyber attacks, of which many might be duds. There are two unique characteristics that makes cyber warfare a double edged sword when predicting the future relations between states.

As war is always likely to exist as state interests continue to collide and conflict with each other, cyber warfare provides a safe, easy and bloodless option. However, the reason why states don’t rush into war because of every act violating their sovereignty is due to a cost/benefit analysis. War is expensive, monetarily and politically, and these costs often don’t justify the predicted or actual rewards. Therefore, if the cost of warfare was significantly reduced on all fronts, would it make states more likely to pursue it as a course of action?

Another issue is anonymity. Today, most cyber attacks are carried out by non-state actors like the hacktivist groups Anonymous and LulzSec. As seen with the 2010, Iran-China affair, it would be very simple for a state to recruit gifted programmers to attack foreign sites under the guise of hacktivism or individual action. One factor that was used to distinguish Stuxnet from a basement built program was its complexity, however, with the rise of competence in computer programming and the growing presence of gifted individuals not under a state’ payroll, it is not implausible to suggest that independent groups or individuals could create programs that can devastate state owned websites or knock-out a power grid.

Then there is the question of targeting civilians, a criterion of war that while not always followed, is accepted by all. State sponsored Cyber attacks that target power facilities, financial institutions, traffic or air traffic control systems are all targeting civilians. The consequences are similar to those of sanctions designed to target hostile or tyrannical regimes, actions that only affect civilian life. Even a minor attack that shuts down a popular website could be interpreted as an act against non-military personnel, particularly as the most effective cyber attacks will be against states that have strong information infrastructure that is intertwined with day-to-day life.

Therefore, the question remains whether a world of bloodless war, promises less inter-state conflict. Despite all we know, the concept of Cyber Warfare has not yet been fully realized. With the increase in national budgets supporting cyber security and intelligence, it is safe to say that the concept is not just a passing fancy. It may very well be the future of war, although its shape and utility remains unknown. Will states use this new platform as a proxy tool as many did with terrorism? Or will they draw clear, distinctive lines to define new rules of engagement for a new form of warfare?
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 01 2012 05:05 GMT
#2
Yep, an example may be Stuxnet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
It's even more actual with the Iranian conflict.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
July 01 2012 05:28 GMT
#3
I think that as governments go more online, they will be attacked for a period. A lot.

Then, after the cost required to run an online defence grid becomes higher than maintaining an offline printing press and paper system, governments will revert to that.

Yes, 2 weeks mail delivery will take longer than an instant email. But it's better than getting stolen.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 01 2012 07:43 GMT
#4
People wondered this exact question a decade ago. I'm still seeing plenty of actual war and only a few incidents of digital war.

You'll probably say that that supports one of your points, the anonymity. But to me, as neato sweeto as a cyber war sounds on paper, it is not in the immediate future when wars are still fought over land and power with the majority of weapons unhindered by bytes and binary.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12159 Posts
July 01 2012 09:48 GMT
#5
Cyber warfare will get more common as mobile unmanned combat platforms multiply.

Current highest profile targets (nuclear) have no internet connection even though they have computer systems.
PaC_
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria25 Posts
July 01 2012 11:30 GMT
#6
If you have a strong interest in that topic I strongly recommend reading this book:

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The picture is from the german version, the original is written in english of course . It gives a lot of insight on that topic, a few possible directions and scenarios and solutions as well. Really good !

Personally I think cyber wars will not decrease the amount of "real" wars as we know them, the could even increase the amount, because some kind of cyber attack from a country could lead to strike-back from the attacked nation with "real" weapons and stuff.
The US maybe has the strongest force talking about offensive cyber attacks, but it's so vulnerable because it barely has any defense. The national grid, the whole financial system are only two examples that are barely protected from such attacks, mostly because the internet wasn't made to stand such kind of attack in the first form, but thats another topic.


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relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
July 01 2012 13:06 GMT
#7
I think cyber warfare will only be a new tool in war, and nothing more. Nothing will replace killing people and blowing things up.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 01 2012 14:13 GMT
#8
On July 01 2012 22:06 relyt wrote:
I think cyber warfare will only be a new tool in war, and nothing more. Nothing will replace killing people and blowing things up.

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